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04-08

Another fake news

Musk Made Direct Appeals to Trump to Reverse Sweeping New Tariffs

03-23

Go F ur mother

Everyone’s missing the point of the Tesla Vision vs. LiDAR Wile E Coyote video

03-23

Tok cock

Everyone’s missing the point of the Tesla Vision vs. LiDAR Wile E Coyote video

03-23

You not tired of this??? Such news are already so stale!

‘I used to respect him, now I abhor him’: AFR readers’ on Musk

03-21

FU

I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares and he stopped speaking to me. I was trying to do him a favor. Was I wrong?

03-14

Can see that you are hater for Tesla. If I am yr friend I will not only end the friend ship. I will even beat u up

'He claims to be a nihilist': I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares. He stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?

03-14

Sour grapes

Tesla Is No Mag 7 Stock. It’s Built on a Dream

03-13

Sour grapes stirring shit

Trump just bought a Tesla, but many other owners are selling their Musk-made EVs. What's going on?

03-13

So what has this got to do with Tesla???? Try harder to stir shit here

New report casts significant doubt on Musk and Trump's government-fraud claims

03-09

Sour grapes

Elon Musk Thinks Tesla Will Become the World's Most Valuable Company. I Predict Its Stock Will Decline by 50% (or More) Instead.

03-08

Sour grapes

What Would Tesla Be Worth Without Elon Musk?

03-03

Sour grapes complaining. Red eye

Report Says Elon Musk's Businesses Have Been Awarded $38 Billion In Government Contracts Since 2003. Here's What Taxpayers Are Funding

02-27

Fact of life. This is called Sour grapes

'He's Lining His Pockets'—Rep. Jasmine Crockett Slams Elon Musk For Securing Nearly $1 Billion In US Government Contracts In Just 2 Weeks

02-24

Pls try harder....F shorty. FU

Tesla, Inc. (TSLA): A Bear Case Theory

02-24

Stop stirring shit u mother F. U are obviously a Tesla hater

'I Like The Cars, It's Musk I Don't Like'—Former Elon Fan Dumps Both Teslas And Cancels Cybertruck Order To Boycott Elon Musk

02-23

Sour grape

Where Will Tesla Stock Be in 5 Years?

02-21

We already know this news. So FO

Tesla Recalls 380,000 Vehicles in U.S. Over Power Steering Issue

02-21

So? Mind yr own F biz

Elon Musk's New Crash Pad? The Floor Of His Government Office Next To Trump's West Wing

02-21

Sour grape....Go F yrselve

Can Tesla's Market Leadership Justify Its Stock Price?

02-20

FU and FO

BREAKINGVIEWS-Elon Musk is not India’s ideal foreign investor

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Other car manufacturers, though, are likely to be hurt more by the new tariffs, analysts have said.</p><p>But Musk has opposed tariffs since at least Trump’s first term, when Tesla filed a lawsuit seeking to overturn the tax on Tesla’s imports from China to the United States.</p><p>In 2020, top executives at Tesla wanted the company to sue the Trump administration over its tariffs on China. Musk initially agreed, saying that parts of Trump’s package were unfair to the carmaker. But after Tesla filed the lawsuit in September 2020, Musk reacted in a “super negative way” about the decision, even berating some staff members for suggesting Tesla file the suit, according to a person familiar with the matter, because right-wing accounts on Twitter said Musk was trying to curry favor with the Chinese and was going against Trump’s “America First” agenda.</p><p>Many of the business and technology leaders who supported Trump’s<strong> </strong>candidacy were stunned by the president’s decision to go forward with such steep tariffs, and equally disappointed that they weren’t able to exert more influence on the policy, the two people familiar with the matter said. People in Musk’s orbit made direct appeals to friends in the Trump administration, including Vice President JD Vance and Musk, arguing for what they felt were more sensible free trade policies. One Musk friend, investor Joe Lonsdale, posted on X that he had argued to “friends in the administration” in recent days that tariffs would hurt American companies more than Chinese ones. Lonsdale declined to comment about his arguments beyond his X post.</p><p>A group of business leaders worked over the weekend to put together an informal group that would lobby members of the Trump administration for more moderate policies, said one of the people.</p><p>Many supported Trump last year even while knowing that the steep tariffs he had long promised could be destructive to both the tech industry and the economy as a whole, but they felt that Trump could be swayed by advisers such as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent to adopt a softer approach, the people said. 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It also comes amid increasing pressure on Tesla to reverse signs of slumping demand — prompted in part by Musk’s foray into politics.</p><p>“The backlash from Trump tariff policies in China and Musk’s association will be hard to understate,” said Dan Ives, analyst with Wedbush Securities, an enthusiastic Tesla backer who lowered Tesla’s stock price target — a measure of its viability — from $550 to $315 “to reflect these new softer demand estimates.”</p><p>“Tesla has essentially become a political symbol globally … and that is a very bad thing for the future of this disruptive tech stalwart and the brand crisis tornado that has now turned into an F5 tornado,” he wrote.</p><p>Tesla stock closed at $233.29 per share Monday, down more than 2.5 percent. So far this year, the stock has lost more than 38 percent of its value.</p><p>Musk showed signs of attempting reconciliation later Monday. 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Trump threatened Monday to add new 50 percent tariffs on imports from China to go along with the 34 percent taxes he announced last week. (The president did signal he was open to negotiations on some aspects of his policy.) Musk, meanwhile, posted a video to X in which the late conservative economist Milton Friedman touted the benefits of international trade cooperation — “the impersonal operation of prices,” as he put it — breaking down the sources of the materials that go into a simple wooden pencil.Musk’s break with Trump over a signature administration priority marks the highest-profile disagreement between the president and one of his key advisers, who poured nearly $290 million into backing him and other Republicans in last year’s elections and has been leading the U.S. DOGE Service’s cost-cutting efforts since January. Musk has also disagreed with other members of Trump’s coalition on issues such as H1-B visas for skilled immigrants and on DOGE’s approach to government spending.On Saturday, Musk took aim at the administration official who has been key to developing the tariff plans, White House trade adviser Peter Navarro, lighting into his credentials.“A PhD in Econ from Harvard is a bad thing, not a good thing,” Musk wrote.Navarro did not respond to a request for comment.“The President has put together a remarkable team of highly talented and experienced individuals who bring different ideas to the table, knowing that President Trump is the ultimate decision maker,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement. “When he makes a decision everyone rows in the same direction to execute. That’s why this Administration has done more in two months than the previous Admin did in four years.”In an interview with Italian Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini over the weekend, Musk also said he would like to see a “free trade zone” between Europe and the United States: “At the end of the day, I hope it’s agreed that both Europe and the United States should move ideally, in my view, to a zero-tariff situation.”Musk also said that he would like more freedom for people to move between countries in Europe and the United States and work in either “if they wish.”“That has certainly been my advice to the president,” he said.Musk, who is chief executive of electric vehicle maker Tesla, has long seen tariffs as detrimental to the business aims of a company that counts both the United States and China as key manufacturing and consumer hubs. Other car manufacturers, though, are likely to be hurt more by the new tariffs, analysts have said.But Musk has opposed tariffs since at least Trump’s first term, when Tesla filed a lawsuit seeking to overturn the tax on Tesla’s imports from China to the United States.In 2020, top executives at Tesla wanted the company to sue the Trump administration over its tariffs on China. Musk initially agreed, saying that parts of Trump’s package were unfair to the carmaker. But after Tesla filed the lawsuit in September 2020, Musk reacted in a “super negative way” about the decision, even berating some staff members for suggesting Tesla file the suit, according to a person familiar with the matter, because right-wing accounts on Twitter said Musk was trying to curry favor with the Chinese and was going against Trump’s “America First” agenda.Many of the business and technology leaders who supported Trump’s candidacy were stunned by the president’s decision to go forward with such steep tariffs, and equally disappointed that they weren’t able to exert more influence on the policy, the two people familiar with the matter said. People in Musk’s orbit made direct appeals to friends in the Trump administration, including Vice President JD Vance and Musk, arguing for what they felt were more sensible free trade policies. One Musk friend, investor Joe Lonsdale, posted on X that he had argued to “friends in the administration” in recent days that tariffs would hurt American companies more than Chinese ones. Lonsdale declined to comment about his arguments beyond his X post.A group of business leaders worked over the weekend to put together an informal group that would lobby members of the Trump administration for more moderate policies, said one of the people.Many supported Trump last year even while knowing that the steep tariffs he had long promised could be destructive to both the tech industry and the economy as a whole, but they felt that Trump could be swayed by advisers such as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent to adopt a softer approach, the people said. The business leaders also did not anticipate that Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, who had been one of Musk’s key conduits into Trump’s orbit, would be such a strong advocate of protectionist polices.The dispute between the president and one of his most influential advisers comes just weeks before Musk, the world’s richest person, is expected to depart his post in the administration. It also comes amid increasing pressure on Tesla to reverse signs of slumping demand — prompted in part by Musk’s foray into politics.“The backlash from Trump tariff policies in China and Musk’s association will be hard to understate,” said Dan Ives, analyst with Wedbush Securities, an enthusiastic Tesla backer who lowered Tesla’s stock price target — a measure of its viability — from $550 to $315 “to reflect these new softer demand estimates.”“Tesla has essentially become a political symbol globally … and that is a very bad thing for the future of this disruptive tech stalwart and the brand crisis tornado that has now turned into an F5 tornado,” he wrote.Tesla stock closed at $233.29 per share Monday, down more than 2.5 percent. So far this year, the stock has lost more than 38 percent of its value.Musk showed signs of attempting reconciliation later Monday. He touted an X thread from the official U.S. trade representative account highlighting what it called unfair trade practices affecting American exporters, in light of Trump’s tariffs. “Good points,” Musk said.Musk’s brother and fellow Tesla board member Kimbal Musk also lobbed sharp criticism at the president over the tariff policies Monday.“Who would have thought that Trump was actually the most high tax American President in generations,” he wrote on X, the social media site Elon Musk owns. “Through his tariff strategy, Trump has implemented a structural, permanent tax on the American consumer.”The remarks came less than a month after Kimbal Musk had thanked Trump for hosting an event featuring Teslas on the White House lawn.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":295,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":416755323322408,"gmtCreate":1742755163913,"gmtModify":1742770392744,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Go F ur mother&nbsp;","listText":"Go F ur mother&nbsp;","text":"Go F ur mother","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/416755323322408","repostId":"2521207916","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2521207916","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1742734800,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2521207916?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-03-23 21:00","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Everyone’s missing the point of the Tesla Vision vs. LiDAR Wile E Coyote video","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2521207916","media":"Electrek","summary":"A video came out last week comparing two approaches to autonomous vehicles: cameras and LiDAR. The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.","content":"<html><body><div>\n<figure>\n<img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" height=\"834\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1600\" srcset=\"https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=320&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 320w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=640&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 640w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1024&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1500&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1500w\" width=\"1600\"/></figure>\n<p>A video came out last week comparing two approaches to autonomous vehicles: cameras and LiDAR. The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.</p>\n<span></span>\n<p>The video was posted by YouTuber Mark Rober, who typically does science &amp; engineering related stunts. It was essentially a comparison test between Tesla’s camera-only autopilot/FSD system and LiDAR systems, with the LiDAR vehicle running Luminar’s system.</p>\n<p>The experiment tested whether the cars could react to seeing a child in the road in six circumstances: standing, running into the road by surprise, fog, rain, bright lights, and standing behind a comical Wile E. Coyote style wall with a picture of a road painted on it.</p>\n<p>Clearly, one of these things is not like the others. Five of the tests gave us potentially meaningful results about the world around us, and the sixth was just for fun.</p> <span>Advertisement - scroll for more content</span>\n<div>\n</div>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-16-at-12.25.18%E2%80%AFPM-1.png?w=1024\"/></figure>\n<p>The test results showed the LiDAR doing better overall, primarily due to its better performance in fog and rain. But each vehicle produced impressive results on some of the tests – like the child jumping out in front of the car and the bright lights tests, both of which seemed quite difficult (the latter especially for a vision system).</p>\n<p>But even in the rain and fog tests, these were quite biblical levels of rain and fog. For more realistic light fog or lighter rain, the cameras likely would have fared better.</p>\n<p>There are a few other downsides of vision-only, such as that it can have trouble looking into lights (though it did well in the bright light test), and Tesla has in the past had a hard time with crossing trucks or overpasses being hard to distinguish from billboards, both of which can be solved with the ranging functions of LiDAR or radar.</p>\n<p>So all told, these results track with the technical limitations of cameras when compared to LiDAR. Since cameras are passive and LiDAR is active (sending out laser pulses to reflect off of objects), LiDAR is able to “see through” certain things that cameras can’t.</p>\n<p>And this is a debate which EV fans have heard plenty about – it’s the fundamental difference between Tesla’s approach and the approach of just about everyone else. Tesla is going vision-only, but most other companies are using a hybrid approach with some mix of vision, LiDAR, radar, ultrasonics, etc.</p>\n<p>Tesla actually did used to have sensors other than vision, as early Tesla cars had radar in addition to cameras. But CEO Elon Musk directed the company to remove radar (over the objection of engineers) because he figures if humans can drive with two eyes and no lasers, cameras should be able to do the same. (He isn’t alone, though – Andrej Karpathy, Tesla’s former head of AI and a well respected person in the field, agrees that vision-only is the right approach).</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"600\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg 1200w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=150,75 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=300,150 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=768,384 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=1024,512 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=350,175 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=140,70 140w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=290,145 290w\" width=\"1200\"/></figure>\n<p>So the tests showed us that LiDAR has some capability that vision doesn’t, but we already knew that. What are the benefits of vision-only?</p>\n<p>First, there are clear advantages on cost and complexity, because you need less sensing equipment. LiDAR has been expensive, though costs are dropping rapidly, so this may be less of a factor going forward.</p>\n<p>Also, LiDAR sensors used to be huge spinning rigs attached to vehicles, but now they often take the form of a “taxi bump” that looks a bit like a taxi light on the top of the car, just above the windshield – but this still does restrict the design of a vehicle and a lot of people don’t like the look.</p>\n<p>Second, vision-only could potentially make for a simpler software solution because you don’t have to reconcile the input from multiple sensing methods to figure out the reality in front of you.</p>\n<p>This is something that held Tesla back in the early days of vision + radar, because there were a lot of false positives and negatives from weird situations (e.g. curved metal objects like soda cans could look bigger than they should, stationary vehicles were hard to distinguish, etc.). While the data was more robust because there were multiple sensing methods, it was proving itself harder to interpret.</p>\n<p>And, while it’s not an inherent benefit of vision-only, the specific benefit for Tesla is that the company has a LOT of vision data it can use for training. This is a big advantage that it has over every other company by several orders of magnitude, since millions of Teslas have been driving around collecting data for years now, whereas companies like Waymo only have a few hundred cars.</p>\n<p>So, we know a bit about the differences in technology, their strengths and weaknesses, and the long-time industry debate that motivated this test. Nothing seems all that unreasonable about what we’ve heard so far, and the test turned out about as expected. There’s still an open question over what the best path forward is, though the general consensus is that more sensing data is better than less, and that Tesla is making a risky move with its vision-only system.</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1358\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2922px) 100vw, 2922px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg 2922w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=150,70 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=300,139 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=768,357 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1024,476 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1536,714 1536w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=2048,952 2048w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=350,163 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=140,65 140w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1600,744 1600w\" width=\"2922\"/></figure>\n<p>So, why so much drama?</p>\n<p>Okay, well, it’s the internet. So that’s reason number one. Everyone else here is chasing the same thing Rober chases: views. And so that’s probably the only thing we need to say, alright, article over, moving on.</p>\n<p>…. But no, really. The actual drama is over the differentiation between “Autopilot” and “Full Self-Driving,” and over the behavior of Teslas when activating or deactivating the system, specifically on the headline “Wile E. Coyote” test.</p>\n<p>Most discussion has focused on this particular test, because, well, it’s the most fun one. Rober is one of the most popular YouTubers on the planet, after all, so he should know a thing or two about how to make a compelling video (and the intro sentence of the video is quite a doozy):</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"174\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1120px) 100vw, 1120px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg 1120w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=150,23 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=300,47 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=768,119 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=1024,159 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=350,54 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=140,22 140w\" width=\"1120\"/></figure>\n<p>As Rober said in the very first line of the video, he had his Tesla on Autopilot, not Full Self-Driving, during this test.</p>\n<p>Some criticism has focused on the title of the video, which is “Can You Fool A Self Driving Car?”, suggesting that the test would use Tesla’s “Self-Driving” system.</p>\n<p>These are two separate systems, and FSD is more sophisticated than Autopilot. However, Autopilot has long <em>colloquially</em> been referred to as self-driving (often to the chagrin of Tesla defenders), and while Tesla does refer to FSD as “self-driving,” it very much isn’t. Both of the systems are classed as “level 2,” which means the driver is still responsible for the vehicle at all times, even though FSD can be activated in more situations than Autopilot. And many more Teslas have Autopilot than FSD, so it makes sense to test the more common one.</p>\n<p>Luminar’s LiDAR <em>can</em> be “self-driving,” insofar as there are level 3+ systems that use Luminar’s sensing technology (such as Mercedes’ DRIVE PILOT).</p>\n<p>So the title is not technically incorrect, does use similar colloquialisms in both cases, and is, after all, <em>a youtube video</em>, and we’re all hopefully aware of how YouTube titles need to be crafted to fit Google’s algorithm and hopefully can get beyond the title and into the literal first frame of the video for the more accurate description of what’s happening here.</p>\n<p>And we’ve covered a final criticism before, which is a screenshot showing that Rober didn’t have the system active in the video. This is previously-documented as “normal” Autopilot behavior, where the system turns itself off about a second before a definite crash. The screenshots were taken during this second. Rober also responded mentioning that the video used different takes to keep it compelling, and posted the full uncut footage on Twitter.</p>\n<p>Another criticism focuses on the subsequent stock surge seen by Luminar (LAZR). The company’s stock went up from 5.05 to 8.35 over the course of the week after the video, a rise of 65%. This has raised some eyebrows, but I expect that the main explanation here is that prior to the video, only pretty dedicated EV/self-driving folks knew about Luminar, and now it’s been exposed to people associated with the most traded stock on the planet for several years running, TSLA. This is naturally going to drive a ton of volume to a small stock (with ~0.03% of TSLA’s market cap).</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"766\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1380px) 100vw, 1380px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg 1380w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=150,83 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=300,167 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=768,426 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=1024,568 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=350,194 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=140,78 140w\" width=\"1380\"/></figure>\n<p>We’ve also seen others trying to recreate the video, some with more success for the Tesla.</p>\n<p>But these criticisms focus mainly on the Wile E. Coyote test, which everyone acknowledges is not a realistic situation. That test was for the youtube video – the real meat of it was the other 5 tests that actually could happen in the real world.</p>\n<p>And even on those 5 tests, people are getting overexcited about the differences shown. The fog and water were both significantly heavier than what would most often be experienced in real life. In more “real world” weather circumstances, a camera may have worked plenty well enough (assuming the cameras aren’t obscured by water or condensation – which is certainly an issue). And if the inclement weather <em>is</em> as bad as shown in the video – maybe it’s time to stay home (or, uh, head straight to the hurricane evacuation center).</p>\n<div>\n<h2>Top comment by Jayson Osmars</h2>\n<span>\n<svg aria-hidden=\"true\" fill=\"none\" height=\"14\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 14\" width=\"13\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\"><path clip-rule=\"evenodd\" d=\"m7 10.963 4.326 2.537-1.148-4.781L14 5.5l-5.033-.414L7 .577l-1.967 4.51L0 5.5 3.822 8.72 2.674 13.5z\" fill=\"url(#a)\" fill-rule=\"evenodd\"></path><defs><lineargradient gradientunits=\"userSpaceOnUse\" x2=\"14\" y2=\"6.95\"><stop stop-color=\"#02BAF4\"></stop><stop offset=\"1\" stop-color=\"#00D99A\"></stop></lineargradient></defs></svg>Liked by 14 people\t\t</span>\n<div>\n<p>One thing missing in the testing which I doubt they could replicate is the common snowstorms in the northern states and Canada.</p><p>The cameras would get insured and covered up in no time.  Then slush and road salt grime would coat the car covering the cameras.</p><p>In winter conditions, lidar/radar is the best safest way for self driving.  It's no contest.</p> </div>\nView all comments\n</div>\n<p>All in all, it felt like a fun test for a YouTube video, which described technology in a simple way to a crowd that hadn’t heard about it, was generally accurate about the strengths and weaknesses of the compared systems, but just overstated a lot of things “for content.”</p>\n<p>There’s a discussion to be had there about content requiring more and more extreme stunts these days to be compelling, but the level of the reaction has gone well overboard. But then, that’s to be expected for anything on the internet, especially about Tesla.</p>\n<p>And the discussion over which approach is correct will continue – companies like Luminar think that LiDAR is superior, and Tesla thinks cameras are enough. Time will tell who’s right, but most professionals in the field tend to place their bets on the former, rather than the latter.</p>\n<hr/>\n<p><em>Charge your electric vehicle at home using rooftop solar panels. Find a reliable and competitively priced solar installer near you on </em><em>EnergySage</em><em>, for free. They have pre-vetted installers competing for your business, ensuring high-quality solutions and 20-30% savings. It’s free, with no sales calls until you choose an installer. Compare personalized solar quotes online and receive guidance from unbiased Energy Advisers. 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The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://electrek.co/2025/03/23/everyones-missing-the-point-of-the-tesla-vision-vs-lidar-wile-e-coyote-video/\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1600","relate_stocks":{"LU0943347566.SGD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金AM H2-SGD","BK4534":"瑞士信贷持仓","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","LU2357305700.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence ET H2-SGD","BK4533":"AQR资本管理(全球第二大对冲基金)","LU1429558221.USD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity RA USD","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU1435385759.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity RA SGD-H","LU0823411888.USD":"法巴消费创新基金 Cap","LU2213496289.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU0082616367.USD":"摩根大通美国科技A（dist）","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","LU0964807845.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME & GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4588":"碎股","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","BK4537":"激光雷达概念","LU0234572021.USD":"高盛美国核心股票组合Acc","LU0820561909.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AM\" (HKD) INC","LU2249611893.SGD":"BNP PARIBAS ENERGY TRANSITION \"CRH\" (SGD) ACC","LU0820562030.AUD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMH2\" (AUDHDG) H2 INC","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","BK4574":"无人驾驶","LU2063271972.USD":"富兰克林创新领域基金","SG9999015986.USD":"LIONGLOBAL DISRUPTIVE INNOVATION \"I\" (USD) ACC","LU2471134879.HKD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (HKD) INC","LU0823414478.USD":"法巴经典能源转换基金","IE00BK4W5M84.HKD":"HSBC GLOBAL FUNDS ICAV US EQUITY INDEX \"HC\" (HKD) ACC","LU0466842654.USD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1145028129.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AQ\" (USD) INC","SG9999015978.USD":"利安颠覆性创新基金A","LU1066053197.SGD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL EQUITY VOLATILITY FOCUSED \"AM3\" (SGDHDG) INC","LU0345769128.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU2326559502.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity P/A SGD-H","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","LU2750360641.GBP":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (GBPHDG) INC","LU1778281490.HKD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL LOWER CARBON EQUITY \"AD\" (HKD) INC","LU0345769631.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL EQUITY \"A\" (USD) INC","LU2750360997.AUD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (AUDHDG) INC","LU0820561818.USD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金Cl AM DIS","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares","LU2602419157.SGD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"AC\" (SGD) ACC","BK4516":"特朗普概念","IE0034235303.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US RESEARCH ENHANCED CORE EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4612":"AI芯片","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","TSYW.SI":"TESLA 3xLongSG261006","LU0348723411.USD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL HI-TECH GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","LU1720051108.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE \"AT\" (HKD) ACC"},"source_url":"https://electrek.co/2025/03/23/everyones-missing-the-point-of-the-tesla-vision-vs-lidar-wile-e-coyote-video/","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2521207916","content_text":"A video came out last week comparing two approaches to autonomous vehicles: cameras and LiDAR. The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.\n\nThe video was posted by YouTuber Mark Rober, who typically does science & engineering related stunts. It was essentially a comparison test between Tesla’s camera-only autopilot/FSD system and LiDAR systems, with the LiDAR vehicle running Luminar’s system.\nThe experiment tested whether the cars could react to seeing a child in the road in six circumstances: standing, running into the road by surprise, fog, rain, bright lights, and standing behind a comical Wile E. Coyote style wall with a picture of a road painted on it.\nClearly, one of these things is not like the others. Five of the tests gave us potentially meaningful results about the world around us, and the sixth was just for fun. Advertisement - scroll for more content\n\n\n\nThe test results showed the LiDAR doing better overall, primarily due to its better performance in fog and rain. But each vehicle produced impressive results on some of the tests – like the child jumping out in front of the car and the bright lights tests, both of which seemed quite difficult (the latter especially for a vision system).\nBut even in the rain and fog tests, these were quite biblical levels of rain and fog. For more realistic light fog or lighter rain, the cameras likely would have fared better.\nThere are a few other downsides of vision-only, such as that it can have trouble looking into lights (though it did well in the bright light test), and Tesla has in the past had a hard time with crossing trucks or overpasses being hard to distinguish from billboards, both of which can be solved with the ranging functions of LiDAR or radar.\nSo all told, these results track with the technical limitations of cameras when compared to LiDAR. Since cameras are passive and LiDAR is active (sending out laser pulses to reflect off of objects), LiDAR is able to “see through” certain things that cameras can’t.\nAnd this is a debate which EV fans have heard plenty about – it’s the fundamental difference between Tesla’s approach and the approach of just about everyone else. Tesla is going vision-only, but most other companies are using a hybrid approach with some mix of vision, LiDAR, radar, ultrasonics, etc.\nTesla actually did used to have sensors other than vision, as early Tesla cars had radar in addition to cameras. But CEO Elon Musk directed the company to remove radar (over the objection of engineers) because he figures if humans can drive with two eyes and no lasers, cameras should be able to do the same. (He isn’t alone, though – Andrej Karpathy, Tesla’s former head of AI and a well respected person in the field, agrees that vision-only is the right approach).\n\nSo the tests showed us that LiDAR has some capability that vision doesn’t, but we already knew that. What are the benefits of vision-only?\nFirst, there are clear advantages on cost and complexity, because you need less sensing equipment. LiDAR has been expensive, though costs are dropping rapidly, so this may be less of a factor going forward.\nAlso, LiDAR sensors used to be huge spinning rigs attached to vehicles, but now they often take the form of a “taxi bump” that looks a bit like a taxi light on the top of the car, just above the windshield – but this still does restrict the design of a vehicle and a lot of people don’t like the look.\nSecond, vision-only could potentially make for a simpler software solution because you don’t have to reconcile the input from multiple sensing methods to figure out the reality in front of you.\nThis is something that held Tesla back in the early days of vision + radar, because there were a lot of false positives and negatives from weird situations (e.g. curved metal objects like soda cans could look bigger than they should, stationary vehicles were hard to distinguish, etc.). While the data was more robust because there were multiple sensing methods, it was proving itself harder to interpret.\nAnd, while it’s not an inherent benefit of vision-only, the specific benefit for Tesla is that the company has a LOT of vision data it can use for training. This is a big advantage that it has over every other company by several orders of magnitude, since millions of Teslas have been driving around collecting data for years now, whereas companies like Waymo only have a few hundred cars.\nSo, we know a bit about the differences in technology, their strengths and weaknesses, and the long-time industry debate that motivated this test. Nothing seems all that unreasonable about what we’ve heard so far, and the test turned out about as expected. There’s still an open question over what the best path forward is, though the general consensus is that more sensing data is better than less, and that Tesla is making a risky move with its vision-only system.\n\nSo, why so much drama?\nOkay, well, it’s the internet. So that’s reason number one. Everyone else here is chasing the same thing Rober chases: views. And so that’s probably the only thing we need to say, alright, article over, moving on.\n…. But no, really. The actual drama is over the differentiation between “Autopilot” and “Full Self-Driving,” and over the behavior of Teslas when activating or deactivating the system, specifically on the headline “Wile E. Coyote” test.\nMost discussion has focused on this particular test, because, well, it’s the most fun one. Rober is one of the most popular YouTubers on the planet, after all, so he should know a thing or two about how to make a compelling video (and the intro sentence of the video is quite a doozy):\n\nAs Rober said in the very first line of the video, he had his Tesla on Autopilot, not Full Self-Driving, during this test.\nSome criticism has focused on the title of the video, which is “Can You Fool A Self Driving Car?”, suggesting that the test would use Tesla’s “Self-Driving” system.\nThese are two separate systems, and FSD is more sophisticated than Autopilot. However, Autopilot has long colloquially been referred to as self-driving (often to the chagrin of Tesla defenders), and while Tesla does refer to FSD as “self-driving,” it very much isn’t. Both of the systems are classed as “level 2,” which means the driver is still responsible for the vehicle at all times, even though FSD can be activated in more situations than Autopilot. And many more Teslas have Autopilot than FSD, so it makes sense to test the more common one.\nLuminar’s LiDAR can be “self-driving,” insofar as there are level 3+ systems that use Luminar’s sensing technology (such as Mercedes’ DRIVE PILOT).\nSo the title is not technically incorrect, does use similar colloquialisms in both cases, and is, after all, a youtube video, and we’re all hopefully aware of how YouTube titles need to be crafted to fit Google’s algorithm and hopefully can get beyond the title and into the literal first frame of the video for the more accurate description of what’s happening here.\nAnd we’ve covered a final criticism before, which is a screenshot showing that Rober didn’t have the system active in the video. This is previously-documented as “normal” Autopilot behavior, where the system turns itself off about a second before a definite crash. The screenshots were taken during this second. Rober also responded mentioning that the video used different takes to keep it compelling, and posted the full uncut footage on Twitter.\nAnother criticism focuses on the subsequent stock surge seen by Luminar (LAZR). The company’s stock went up from 5.05 to 8.35 over the course of the week after the video, a rise of 65%. This has raised some eyebrows, but I expect that the main explanation here is that prior to the video, only pretty dedicated EV/self-driving folks knew about Luminar, and now it’s been exposed to people associated with the most traded stock on the planet for several years running, TSLA. This is naturally going to drive a ton of volume to a small stock (with ~0.03% of TSLA’s market cap).\n\nWe’ve also seen others trying to recreate the video, some with more success for the Tesla.\nBut these criticisms focus mainly on the Wile E. Coyote test, which everyone acknowledges is not a realistic situation. That test was for the youtube video – the real meat of it was the other 5 tests that actually could happen in the real world.\nAnd even on those 5 tests, people are getting overexcited about the differences shown. The fog and water were both significantly heavier than what would most often be experienced in real life. In more “real world” weather circumstances, a camera may have worked plenty well enough (assuming the cameras aren’t obscured by water or condensation – which is certainly an issue). And if the inclement weather is as bad as shown in the video – maybe it’s time to stay home (or, uh, head straight to the hurricane evacuation center).\n\nTop comment by Jayson Osmars\n\nLiked by 14 people\t\t\n\nOne thing missing in the testing which I doubt they could replicate is the common snowstorms in the northern states and Canada.The cameras would get insured and covered up in no time.  Then slush and road salt grime would coat the car covering the cameras.In winter conditions, lidar/radar is the best safest way for self driving.  It's no contest. \nView all comments\n\nAll in all, it felt like a fun test for a YouTube video, which described technology in a simple way to a crowd that hadn’t heard about it, was generally accurate about the strengths and weaknesses of the compared systems, but just overstated a lot of things “for content.”\nThere’s a discussion to be had there about content requiring more and more extreme stunts these days to be compelling, but the level of the reaction has gone well overboard. But then, that’s to be expected for anything on the internet, especially about Tesla.\nAnd the discussion over which approach is correct will continue – companies like Luminar think that LiDAR is superior, and Tesla thinks cameras are enough. Time will tell who’s right, but most professionals in the field tend to place their bets on the former, rather than the latter.\n\nCharge your electric vehicle at home using rooftop solar panels. Find a reliable and competitively priced solar installer near you on EnergySage, for free. They have pre-vetted installers competing for your business, ensuring high-quality solutions and 20-30% savings. It’s free, with no sales calls until you choose an installer. Compare personalized solar quotes online and receive guidance from unbiased Energy Advisers. 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The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.","content":"<html><body><div>\n<figure>\n<img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" height=\"834\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1600\" srcset=\"https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=320&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 320w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=640&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 640w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1024&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1500&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1500w\" width=\"1600\"/></figure>\n<p>A video came out last week comparing two approaches to autonomous vehicles: cameras and LiDAR. The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.</p>\n<span></span>\n<p>The video was posted by YouTuber Mark Rober, who typically does science &amp; engineering related stunts. It was essentially a comparison test between Tesla’s camera-only autopilot/FSD system and LiDAR systems, with the LiDAR vehicle running Luminar’s system.</p>\n<p>The experiment tested whether the cars could react to seeing a child in the road in six circumstances: standing, running into the road by surprise, fog, rain, bright lights, and standing behind a comical Wile E. Coyote style wall with a picture of a road painted on it.</p>\n<p>Clearly, one of these things is not like the others. Five of the tests gave us potentially meaningful results about the world around us, and the sixth was just for fun.</p> <span>Advertisement - scroll for more content</span>\n<div>\n</div>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-16-at-12.25.18%E2%80%AFPM-1.png?w=1024\"/></figure>\n<p>The test results showed the LiDAR doing better overall, primarily due to its better performance in fog and rain. But each vehicle produced impressive results on some of the tests – like the child jumping out in front of the car and the bright lights tests, both of which seemed quite difficult (the latter especially for a vision system).</p>\n<p>But even in the rain and fog tests, these were quite biblical levels of rain and fog. For more realistic light fog or lighter rain, the cameras likely would have fared better.</p>\n<p>There are a few other downsides of vision-only, such as that it can have trouble looking into lights (though it did well in the bright light test), and Tesla has in the past had a hard time with crossing trucks or overpasses being hard to distinguish from billboards, both of which can be solved with the ranging functions of LiDAR or radar.</p>\n<p>So all told, these results track with the technical limitations of cameras when compared to LiDAR. Since cameras are passive and LiDAR is active (sending out laser pulses to reflect off of objects), LiDAR is able to “see through” certain things that cameras can’t.</p>\n<p>And this is a debate which EV fans have heard plenty about – it’s the fundamental difference between Tesla’s approach and the approach of just about everyone else. Tesla is going vision-only, but most other companies are using a hybrid approach with some mix of vision, LiDAR, radar, ultrasonics, etc.</p>\n<p>Tesla actually did used to have sensors other than vision, as early Tesla cars had radar in addition to cameras. But CEO Elon Musk directed the company to remove radar (over the objection of engineers) because he figures if humans can drive with two eyes and no lasers, cameras should be able to do the same. (He isn’t alone, though – Andrej Karpathy, Tesla’s former head of AI and a well respected person in the field, agrees that vision-only is the right approach).</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"600\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg 1200w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=150,75 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=300,150 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=768,384 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=1024,512 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=350,175 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=140,70 140w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=290,145 290w\" width=\"1200\"/></figure>\n<p>So the tests showed us that LiDAR has some capability that vision doesn’t, but we already knew that. What are the benefits of vision-only?</p>\n<p>First, there are clear advantages on cost and complexity, because you need less sensing equipment. LiDAR has been expensive, though costs are dropping rapidly, so this may be less of a factor going forward.</p>\n<p>Also, LiDAR sensors used to be huge spinning rigs attached to vehicles, but now they often take the form of a “taxi bump” that looks a bit like a taxi light on the top of the car, just above the windshield – but this still does restrict the design of a vehicle and a lot of people don’t like the look.</p>\n<p>Second, vision-only could potentially make for a simpler software solution because you don’t have to reconcile the input from multiple sensing methods to figure out the reality in front of you.</p>\n<p>This is something that held Tesla back in the early days of vision + radar, because there were a lot of false positives and negatives from weird situations (e.g. curved metal objects like soda cans could look bigger than they should, stationary vehicles were hard to distinguish, etc.). While the data was more robust because there were multiple sensing methods, it was proving itself harder to interpret.</p>\n<p>And, while it’s not an inherent benefit of vision-only, the specific benefit for Tesla is that the company has a LOT of vision data it can use for training. This is a big advantage that it has over every other company by several orders of magnitude, since millions of Teslas have been driving around collecting data for years now, whereas companies like Waymo only have a few hundred cars.</p>\n<p>So, we know a bit about the differences in technology, their strengths and weaknesses, and the long-time industry debate that motivated this test. Nothing seems all that unreasonable about what we’ve heard so far, and the test turned out about as expected. There’s still an open question over what the best path forward is, though the general consensus is that more sensing data is better than less, and that Tesla is making a risky move with its vision-only system.</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1358\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2922px) 100vw, 2922px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg 2922w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=150,70 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=300,139 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=768,357 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1024,476 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1536,714 1536w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=2048,952 2048w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=350,163 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=140,65 140w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1600,744 1600w\" width=\"2922\"/></figure>\n<p>So, why so much drama?</p>\n<p>Okay, well, it’s the internet. So that’s reason number one. Everyone else here is chasing the same thing Rober chases: views. And so that’s probably the only thing we need to say, alright, article over, moving on.</p>\n<p>…. But no, really. The actual drama is over the differentiation between “Autopilot” and “Full Self-Driving,” and over the behavior of Teslas when activating or deactivating the system, specifically on the headline “Wile E. Coyote” test.</p>\n<p>Most discussion has focused on this particular test, because, well, it’s the most fun one. Rober is one of the most popular YouTubers on the planet, after all, so he should know a thing or two about how to make a compelling video (and the intro sentence of the video is quite a doozy):</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"174\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1120px) 100vw, 1120px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg 1120w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=150,23 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=300,47 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=768,119 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=1024,159 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=350,54 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=140,22 140w\" width=\"1120\"/></figure>\n<p>As Rober said in the very first line of the video, he had his Tesla on Autopilot, not Full Self-Driving, during this test.</p>\n<p>Some criticism has focused on the title of the video, which is “Can You Fool A Self Driving Car?”, suggesting that the test would use Tesla’s “Self-Driving” system.</p>\n<p>These are two separate systems, and FSD is more sophisticated than Autopilot. However, Autopilot has long <em>colloquially</em> been referred to as self-driving (often to the chagrin of Tesla defenders), and while Tesla does refer to FSD as “self-driving,” it very much isn’t. Both of the systems are classed as “level 2,” which means the driver is still responsible for the vehicle at all times, even though FSD can be activated in more situations than Autopilot. And many more Teslas have Autopilot than FSD, so it makes sense to test the more common one.</p>\n<p>Luminar’s LiDAR <em>can</em> be “self-driving,” insofar as there are level 3+ systems that use Luminar’s sensing technology (such as Mercedes’ DRIVE PILOT).</p>\n<p>So the title is not technically incorrect, does use similar colloquialisms in both cases, and is, after all, <em>a youtube video</em>, and we’re all hopefully aware of how YouTube titles need to be crafted to fit Google’s algorithm and hopefully can get beyond the title and into the literal first frame of the video for the more accurate description of what’s happening here.</p>\n<p>And we’ve covered a final criticism before, which is a screenshot showing that Rober didn’t have the system active in the video. This is previously-documented as “normal” Autopilot behavior, where the system turns itself off about a second before a definite crash. The screenshots were taken during this second. Rober also responded mentioning that the video used different takes to keep it compelling, and posted the full uncut footage on Twitter.</p>\n<p>Another criticism focuses on the subsequent stock surge seen by Luminar (LAZR). The company’s stock went up from 5.05 to 8.35 over the course of the week after the video, a rise of 65%. This has raised some eyebrows, but I expect that the main explanation here is that prior to the video, only pretty dedicated EV/self-driving folks knew about Luminar, and now it’s been exposed to people associated with the most traded stock on the planet for several years running, TSLA. This is naturally going to drive a ton of volume to a small stock (with ~0.03% of TSLA’s market cap).</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"766\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1380px) 100vw, 1380px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg 1380w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=150,83 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=300,167 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=768,426 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=1024,568 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=350,194 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=140,78 140w\" width=\"1380\"/></figure>\n<p>We’ve also seen others trying to recreate the video, some with more success for the Tesla.</p>\n<p>But these criticisms focus mainly on the Wile E. Coyote test, which everyone acknowledges is not a realistic situation. That test was for the youtube video – the real meat of it was the other 5 tests that actually could happen in the real world.</p>\n<p>And even on those 5 tests, people are getting overexcited about the differences shown. The fog and water were both significantly heavier than what would most often be experienced in real life. In more “real world” weather circumstances, a camera may have worked plenty well enough (assuming the cameras aren’t obscured by water or condensation – which is certainly an issue). And if the inclement weather <em>is</em> as bad as shown in the video – maybe it’s time to stay home (or, uh, head straight to the hurricane evacuation center).</p>\n<div>\n<h2>Top comment by Jayson Osmars</h2>\n<span>\n<svg aria-hidden=\"true\" fill=\"none\" height=\"14\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 14\" width=\"13\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\"><path clip-rule=\"evenodd\" d=\"m7 10.963 4.326 2.537-1.148-4.781L14 5.5l-5.033-.414L7 .577l-1.967 4.51L0 5.5 3.822 8.72 2.674 13.5z\" fill=\"url(#a)\" fill-rule=\"evenodd\"></path><defs><lineargradient gradientunits=\"userSpaceOnUse\" x2=\"14\" y2=\"6.95\"><stop stop-color=\"#02BAF4\"></stop><stop offset=\"1\" stop-color=\"#00D99A\"></stop></lineargradient></defs></svg>Liked by 14 people\t\t</span>\n<div>\n<p>One thing missing in the testing which I doubt they could replicate is the common snowstorms in the northern states and Canada.</p><p>The cameras would get insured and covered up in no time.  Then slush and road salt grime would coat the car covering the cameras.</p><p>In winter conditions, lidar/radar is the best safest way for self driving.  It's no contest.</p> </div>\nView all comments\n</div>\n<p>All in all, it felt like a fun test for a YouTube video, which described technology in a simple way to a crowd that hadn’t heard about it, was generally accurate about the strengths and weaknesses of the compared systems, but just overstated a lot of things “for content.”</p>\n<p>There’s a discussion to be had there about content requiring more and more extreme stunts these days to be compelling, but the level of the reaction has gone well overboard. But then, that’s to be expected for anything on the internet, especially about Tesla.</p>\n<p>And the discussion over which approach is correct will continue – companies like Luminar think that LiDAR is superior, and Tesla thinks cameras are enough. Time will tell who’s right, but most professionals in the field tend to place their bets on the former, rather than the latter.</p>\n<hr/>\n<p><em>Charge your electric vehicle at home using rooftop solar panels. Find a reliable and competitively priced solar installer near you on </em><em>EnergySage</em><em>, for free. They have pre-vetted installers competing for your business, ensuring high-quality solutions and 20-30% savings. It’s free, with no sales calls until you choose an installer. Compare personalized solar quotes online and receive guidance from unbiased Energy Advisers. 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The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://electrek.co/2025/03/23/everyones-missing-the-point-of-the-tesla-vision-vs-lidar-wile-e-coyote-video/\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1600","relate_stocks":{"LU0943347566.SGD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金AM H2-SGD","BK4534":"瑞士信贷持仓","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","LU2357305700.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence ET H2-SGD","BK4533":"AQR资本管理(全球第二大对冲基金)","LU1429558221.USD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity RA USD","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU1435385759.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity RA SGD-H","LU0823411888.USD":"法巴消费创新基金 Cap","LU2213496289.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU0082616367.USD":"摩根大通美国科技A（dist）","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","LU0964807845.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME & GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4588":"碎股","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","BK4537":"激光雷达概念","LU0234572021.USD":"高盛美国核心股票组合Acc","LU0820561909.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AM\" (HKD) INC","LU2249611893.SGD":"BNP PARIBAS ENERGY TRANSITION \"CRH\" (SGD) ACC","LU0820562030.AUD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMH2\" (AUDHDG) H2 INC","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","BK4574":"无人驾驶","LU2063271972.USD":"富兰克林创新领域基金","SG9999015986.USD":"LIONGLOBAL DISRUPTIVE INNOVATION \"I\" (USD) ACC","LU2471134879.HKD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (HKD) INC","LU0823414478.USD":"法巴经典能源转换基金","IE00BK4W5M84.HKD":"HSBC GLOBAL FUNDS ICAV US EQUITY INDEX \"HC\" (HKD) ACC","LU0466842654.USD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1145028129.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AQ\" (USD) INC","SG9999015978.USD":"利安颠覆性创新基金A","LU1066053197.SGD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL EQUITY VOLATILITY FOCUSED \"AM3\" (SGDHDG) INC","LU0345769128.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU2326559502.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity P/A SGD-H","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","LU2750360641.GBP":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (GBPHDG) INC","LU1778281490.HKD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL LOWER CARBON EQUITY \"AD\" (HKD) INC","LU0345769631.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL EQUITY \"A\" (USD) INC","LU2750360997.AUD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (AUDHDG) INC","LU0820561818.USD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金Cl AM DIS","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares","LU2602419157.SGD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"AC\" (SGD) ACC","BK4516":"特朗普概念","IE0034235303.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US RESEARCH ENHANCED CORE EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4612":"AI芯片","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","TSYW.SI":"TESLA 3xLongSG261006","LU0348723411.USD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL HI-TECH GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","LU1720051108.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE \"AT\" (HKD) ACC"},"source_url":"https://electrek.co/2025/03/23/everyones-missing-the-point-of-the-tesla-vision-vs-lidar-wile-e-coyote-video/","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2521207916","content_text":"A video came out last week comparing two approaches to autonomous vehicles: cameras and LiDAR. The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.\n\nThe video was posted by YouTuber Mark Rober, who typically does science & engineering related stunts. It was essentially a comparison test between Tesla’s camera-only autopilot/FSD system and LiDAR systems, with the LiDAR vehicle running Luminar’s system.\nThe experiment tested whether the cars could react to seeing a child in the road in six circumstances: standing, running into the road by surprise, fog, rain, bright lights, and standing behind a comical Wile E. Coyote style wall with a picture of a road painted on it.\nClearly, one of these things is not like the others. Five of the tests gave us potentially meaningful results about the world around us, and the sixth was just for fun. Advertisement - scroll for more content\n\n\n\nThe test results showed the LiDAR doing better overall, primarily due to its better performance in fog and rain. But each vehicle produced impressive results on some of the tests – like the child jumping out in front of the car and the bright lights tests, both of which seemed quite difficult (the latter especially for a vision system).\nBut even in the rain and fog tests, these were quite biblical levels of rain and fog. For more realistic light fog or lighter rain, the cameras likely would have fared better.\nThere are a few other downsides of vision-only, such as that it can have trouble looking into lights (though it did well in the bright light test), and Tesla has in the past had a hard time with crossing trucks or overpasses being hard to distinguish from billboards, both of which can be solved with the ranging functions of LiDAR or radar.\nSo all told, these results track with the technical limitations of cameras when compared to LiDAR. Since cameras are passive and LiDAR is active (sending out laser pulses to reflect off of objects), LiDAR is able to “see through” certain things that cameras can’t.\nAnd this is a debate which EV fans have heard plenty about – it’s the fundamental difference between Tesla’s approach and the approach of just about everyone else. Tesla is going vision-only, but most other companies are using a hybrid approach with some mix of vision, LiDAR, radar, ultrasonics, etc.\nTesla actually did used to have sensors other than vision, as early Tesla cars had radar in addition to cameras. But CEO Elon Musk directed the company to remove radar (over the objection of engineers) because he figures if humans can drive with two eyes and no lasers, cameras should be able to do the same. (He isn’t alone, though – Andrej Karpathy, Tesla’s former head of AI and a well respected person in the field, agrees that vision-only is the right approach).\n\nSo the tests showed us that LiDAR has some capability that vision doesn’t, but we already knew that. What are the benefits of vision-only?\nFirst, there are clear advantages on cost and complexity, because you need less sensing equipment. LiDAR has been expensive, though costs are dropping rapidly, so this may be less of a factor going forward.\nAlso, LiDAR sensors used to be huge spinning rigs attached to vehicles, but now they often take the form of a “taxi bump” that looks a bit like a taxi light on the top of the car, just above the windshield – but this still does restrict the design of a vehicle and a lot of people don’t like the look.\nSecond, vision-only could potentially make for a simpler software solution because you don’t have to reconcile the input from multiple sensing methods to figure out the reality in front of you.\nThis is something that held Tesla back in the early days of vision + radar, because there were a lot of false positives and negatives from weird situations (e.g. curved metal objects like soda cans could look bigger than they should, stationary vehicles were hard to distinguish, etc.). While the data was more robust because there were multiple sensing methods, it was proving itself harder to interpret.\nAnd, while it’s not an inherent benefit of vision-only, the specific benefit for Tesla is that the company has a LOT of vision data it can use for training. This is a big advantage that it has over every other company by several orders of magnitude, since millions of Teslas have been driving around collecting data for years now, whereas companies like Waymo only have a few hundred cars.\nSo, we know a bit about the differences in technology, their strengths and weaknesses, and the long-time industry debate that motivated this test. Nothing seems all that unreasonable about what we’ve heard so far, and the test turned out about as expected. There’s still an open question over what the best path forward is, though the general consensus is that more sensing data is better than less, and that Tesla is making a risky move with its vision-only system.\n\nSo, why so much drama?\nOkay, well, it’s the internet. So that’s reason number one. Everyone else here is chasing the same thing Rober chases: views. And so that’s probably the only thing we need to say, alright, article over, moving on.\n…. But no, really. The actual drama is over the differentiation between “Autopilot” and “Full Self-Driving,” and over the behavior of Teslas when activating or deactivating the system, specifically on the headline “Wile E. Coyote” test.\nMost discussion has focused on this particular test, because, well, it’s the most fun one. Rober is one of the most popular YouTubers on the planet, after all, so he should know a thing or two about how to make a compelling video (and the intro sentence of the video is quite a doozy):\n\nAs Rober said in the very first line of the video, he had his Tesla on Autopilot, not Full Self-Driving, during this test.\nSome criticism has focused on the title of the video, which is “Can You Fool A Self Driving Car?”, suggesting that the test would use Tesla’s “Self-Driving” system.\nThese are two separate systems, and FSD is more sophisticated than Autopilot. However, Autopilot has long colloquially been referred to as self-driving (often to the chagrin of Tesla defenders), and while Tesla does refer to FSD as “self-driving,” it very much isn’t. Both of the systems are classed as “level 2,” which means the driver is still responsible for the vehicle at all times, even though FSD can be activated in more situations than Autopilot. And many more Teslas have Autopilot than FSD, so it makes sense to test the more common one.\nLuminar’s LiDAR can be “self-driving,” insofar as there are level 3+ systems that use Luminar’s sensing technology (such as Mercedes’ DRIVE PILOT).\nSo the title is not technically incorrect, does use similar colloquialisms in both cases, and is, after all, a youtube video, and we’re all hopefully aware of how YouTube titles need to be crafted to fit Google’s algorithm and hopefully can get beyond the title and into the literal first frame of the video for the more accurate description of what’s happening here.\nAnd we’ve covered a final criticism before, which is a screenshot showing that Rober didn’t have the system active in the video. This is previously-documented as “normal” Autopilot behavior, where the system turns itself off about a second before a definite crash. The screenshots were taken during this second. Rober also responded mentioning that the video used different takes to keep it compelling, and posted the full uncut footage on Twitter.\nAnother criticism focuses on the subsequent stock surge seen by Luminar (LAZR). The company’s stock went up from 5.05 to 8.35 over the course of the week after the video, a rise of 65%. This has raised some eyebrows, but I expect that the main explanation here is that prior to the video, only pretty dedicated EV/self-driving folks knew about Luminar, and now it’s been exposed to people associated with the most traded stock on the planet for several years running, TSLA. This is naturally going to drive a ton of volume to a small stock (with ~0.03% of TSLA’s market cap).\n\nWe’ve also seen others trying to recreate the video, some with more success for the Tesla.\nBut these criticisms focus mainly on the Wile E. Coyote test, which everyone acknowledges is not a realistic situation. That test was for the youtube video – the real meat of it was the other 5 tests that actually could happen in the real world.\nAnd even on those 5 tests, people are getting overexcited about the differences shown. The fog and water were both significantly heavier than what would most often be experienced in real life. In more “real world” weather circumstances, a camera may have worked plenty well enough (assuming the cameras aren’t obscured by water or condensation – which is certainly an issue). And if the inclement weather is as bad as shown in the video – maybe it’s time to stay home (or, uh, head straight to the hurricane evacuation center).\n\nTop comment by Jayson Osmars\n\nLiked by 14 people\t\t\n\nOne thing missing in the testing which I doubt they could replicate is the common snowstorms in the northern states and Canada.The cameras would get insured and covered up in no time.  Then slush and road salt grime would coat the car covering the cameras.In winter conditions, lidar/radar is the best safest way for self driving.  It's no contest. \nView all comments\n\nAll in all, it felt like a fun test for a YouTube video, which described technology in a simple way to a crowd that hadn’t heard about it, was generally accurate about the strengths and weaknesses of the compared systems, but just overstated a lot of things “for content.”\nThere’s a discussion to be had there about content requiring more and more extreme stunts these days to be compelling, but the level of the reaction has gone well overboard. But then, that’s to be expected for anything on the internet, especially about Tesla.\nAnd the discussion over which approach is correct will continue – companies like Luminar think that LiDAR is superior, and Tesla thinks cameras are enough. 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I was trying to do him a favor. Was I wrong?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2521128478","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"Elon Musk told shareholders on Thursday to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the electric vehicles are falling. I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio.I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?","content":"<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares and he stopped speaking to me. I was trying to do him a favor. Was I wrong?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     Elon Musk told shareholders on Thursday to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the electric vehicles are falling \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Quentin, \n</p>\n<p>\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n</p>\n<p>\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Former Friend \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Friend, \n</p>\n<p>\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Or he may feel foolish for betting his retirement on one stock. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, third-party opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Speaking on his social-media platform, X, Elon Musk told shareholders to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the EVs are falling. \"If you read the news, it feels like Armageddon, I can't walk past a TV without seeing a Tesla on fire,\" Musk said Thursday. \"I understand if you don't want to buy our product, but you don't have to burn it down - that's a bit unreasonable.\" He added, \"Tesla stock goes up, and it goes down. But, actually, it's still the same company. It's just people's perception of the future.\" He also reiterated his great hopes for the Model Y. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> is down roughly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $236 on Friday, but it's still higher than the $170 this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. But if or when your friend sells will likely depend on when he bought. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/WFC\">$(WFC)$</a> analyst Colin Langan, in a recent analyst note, described Tesla's sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey released this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'God works in mysterious ways': I became a Nvidia millionaire playing 'World of Warcraft.' Am I smart - or just lucky? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's 'shocking' sales decline \n</p>\n<p>\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may be concerned by Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. By virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency, you may reason, \"This is going to hurt the company's growth.\" And sell. Or, like your friend, you could decide to hold your position. Politics aside, people sell stocks for all sorts of reasons. \n</p>\n<p>\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to the opinion you expressed to your friend on Tesla's stock, at least in the short term. Earlier this month, Trump bought a Tesla after showcasing a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a self-inflicted black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n</p>\n<p>\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Trump showcased Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may become a self-inflicted black eye for Musk. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have fallen significantly. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025, down over 50% on the same time last year. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales are falling there too. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared them to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped; Tesla sent a letter to the White House expressing concern about retaliatory tariffs. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet, and point to the ongoing volatility of Tesla options. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n</p>\n<p>\n     Mixing finance and friendship \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOGL\">$(GOOGL)$</a> , Amazon <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">$(AMZN)$</a>, Apple <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">$(AAPL)$</a>, Meta <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">$(META)$</a>, Microsoft <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">$(MSFT)$</a> and Nvidia <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">$(NVDA)$</a>.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&amp;P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. Adding politics to the mix is a risky gamble. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and he could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some unsolicited advice?\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n</p>\n<p>\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n</p>\n<p>\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n</p>\n<p>\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n</p>\n<p>\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n</p>\n<p>\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. Post your questions, or weigh in on the latest Moneyist columns. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By emailing your questions to The Moneyist or posting your dilemmas on The Moneyist Facebook group, you agree to have them published anonymously on MarketWatch. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By submitting your story to Dow Jones &amp; Co., the publisher of MarketWatch, you understand and agree that we may use your story, or versions of it, in all media and platforms, including via third parties. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. 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I was trying to do him a favor. Was I wrong?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-03-21 21:35</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares and he stopped speaking to me. I was trying to do him a favor. Was I wrong?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     Elon Musk told shareholders on Thursday to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the electric vehicles are falling \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Quentin, \n</p>\n<p>\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n</p>\n<p>\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Former Friend \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Friend, \n</p>\n<p>\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Or he may feel foolish for betting his retirement on one stock. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, third-party opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Speaking on his social-media platform, X, Elon Musk told shareholders to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the EVs are falling. \"If you read the news, it feels like Armageddon, I can't walk past a TV without seeing a Tesla on fire,\" Musk said Thursday. \"I understand if you don't want to buy our product, but you don't have to burn it down - that's a bit unreasonable.\" He added, \"Tesla stock goes up, and it goes down. But, actually, it's still the same company. It's just people's perception of the future.\" He also reiterated his great hopes for the Model Y. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> is down roughly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $236 on Friday, but it's still higher than the $170 this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. But if or when your friend sells will likely depend on when he bought. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/WFC\">$(WFC)$</a> analyst Colin Langan, in a recent analyst note, described Tesla's sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey released this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'God works in mysterious ways': I became a Nvidia millionaire playing 'World of Warcraft.' Am I smart - or just lucky? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's 'shocking' sales decline \n</p>\n<p>\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may be concerned by Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. By virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency, you may reason, \"This is going to hurt the company's growth.\" And sell. Or, like your friend, you could decide to hold your position. Politics aside, people sell stocks for all sorts of reasons. \n</p>\n<p>\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to the opinion you expressed to your friend on Tesla's stock, at least in the short term. Earlier this month, Trump bought a Tesla after showcasing a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a self-inflicted black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n</p>\n<p>\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Trump showcased Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may become a self-inflicted black eye for Musk. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have fallen significantly. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025, down over 50% on the same time last year. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales are falling there too. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared them to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped; Tesla sent a letter to the White House expressing concern about retaliatory tariffs. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet, and point to the ongoing volatility of Tesla options. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n</p>\n<p>\n     Mixing finance and friendship \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOGL\">$(GOOGL)$</a> , Amazon <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">$(AMZN)$</a>, Apple <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">$(AAPL)$</a>, Meta <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">$(META)$</a>, Microsoft <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">$(MSFT)$</a> and Nvidia <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">$(NVDA)$</a>.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&amp;P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. Adding politics to the mix is a risky gamble. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and he could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some unsolicited advice?\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n</p>\n<p>\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n</p>\n<p>\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n</p>\n<p>\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n</p>\n<p>\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n</p>\n<p>\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. Post your questions, or weigh in on the latest Moneyist columns. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By emailing your questions to The Moneyist or posting your dilemmas on The Moneyist Facebook group, you agree to have them published anonymously on MarketWatch. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By submitting your story to Dow Jones &amp; Co., the publisher of MarketWatch, you understand and agree that we may use your story, or versions of it, in all media and platforms, including via third parties. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n</p>\n<pre>\n \n</pre>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  March 21, 2025 09:35 ET (13:35 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2521128478","content_text":"MW I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares and he stopped speaking to me. I was trying to do him a favor. Was I wrong?\n\n\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n\n\n     Elon Musk told shareholders on Thursday to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the electric vehicles are falling \n\n\n     Dear Quentin, \n\n\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n\n\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n\n\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n\n\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n\n\n     Former Friend \n\n\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n\n\n     Dear Friend, \n\n\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n\n\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Or he may feel foolish for betting his retirement on one stock. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, third-party opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n\n\n     Speaking on his social-media platform, X, Elon Musk told shareholders to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the EVs are falling. \"If you read the news, it feels like Armageddon, I can't walk past a TV without seeing a Tesla on fire,\" Musk said Thursday. \"I understand if you don't want to buy our product, but you don't have to burn it down - that's a bit unreasonable.\" He added, \"Tesla stock goes up, and it goes down. But, actually, it's still the same company. It's just people's perception of the future.\" He also reiterated his great hopes for the Model Y. \n\n\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla $(TSLA)$ is down roughly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $236 on Friday, but it's still higher than the $170 this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. But if or when your friend sells will likely depend on when he bought. \n\n\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo $(WFC)$ analyst Colin Langan, in a recent analyst note, described Tesla's sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey released this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n\n\n     Related: 'God works in mysterious ways': I became a Nvidia millionaire playing 'World of Warcraft.' Am I smart - or just lucky? \n\n\n     Tesla's 'shocking' sales decline \n\n\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may be concerned by Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. By virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency, you may reason, \"This is going to hurt the company's growth.\" And sell. Or, like your friend, you could decide to hold your position. Politics aside, people sell stocks for all sorts of reasons. \n\n\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to the opinion you expressed to your friend on Tesla's stock, at least in the short term. Earlier this month, Trump bought a Tesla after showcasing a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a self-inflicted black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n\n\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n\n\n     Trump showcased Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may become a self-inflicted black eye for Musk. \n\n\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have fallen significantly. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n\n\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025, down over 50% on the same time last year. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales are falling there too. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared them to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped; Tesla sent a letter to the White House expressing concern about retaliatory tariffs. \n\n\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet, and point to the ongoing volatility of Tesla options. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n\n\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n\n\n     Mixing finance and friendship \n\n\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet $(GOOGL)$ , Amazon $(AMZN)$, Apple $(AAPL)$, Meta $(META)$, Microsoft $(MSFT)$ and Nvidia $(NVDA)$.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n\n\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. Adding politics to the mix is a risky gamble. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n\n\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and he could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some unsolicited advice?\" \n\n\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n\n\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n\n\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n\n\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n\n\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n\n\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n\n\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n\n\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. Post your questions, or weigh in on the latest Moneyist columns. \n\n\n     By emailing your questions to The Moneyist or posting your dilemmas on The Moneyist Facebook group, you agree to have them published anonymously on MarketWatch. \n\n\n     By submitting your story to Dow Jones & Co., the publisher of MarketWatch, you understand and agree that we may use your story, or versions of it, in all media and platforms, including via third parties. \n\n\n     -Quentin Fottrell \n\n\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones & Co. 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I will even beat u up","text":"Can see that you are hater for Tesla. If I am yr friend I will not only end the friend ship. I will even beat u up","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/413538387624200","repostId":"2519808279","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2519808279","kind":"highlight","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1741953000,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2519808279?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-03-14 19:50","market":"hk","language":"en","title":"'He claims to be a nihilist': I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares. He stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2519808279","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"'I've been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio'. I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio.I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications.Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales?Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to your opinion on Tesla's stock uncertain future, at least in the short term. On Tuesday, Trump bought a Tesla after p","content":"<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW 'He claims to be a nihilist': I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares. He stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I've been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio' \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Quentin, \n</p>\n<p>\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n</p>\n<p>\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Former Friend \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Friend, \n</p>\n<p>\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, unsolicited opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n</p>\n<p>\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may look at Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. He may see that it has, by virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency and reason, \"This is going to hurt sales.\" And sell. Politics aside, people sell stocks if they believe they'll lose money. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Elon Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> is down nearly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $240 currently, but it's still higher than the $170 at this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: Has Tesla stock hit bottom? Here's what the options market is saying. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla 'shocking' sales decline \n</p>\n<p>\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to your opinion on Tesla's stock uncertain future, at least in the short term. On Tuesday, Trump bought a Tesla after parading a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025 - down over 50% on the same time last year, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales there are falling. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared him to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped either. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/WFC\">$(WFC)$</a> analyst Colin Langan, in an analyst note on Friday, described Tesl'a sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed with the statement that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n</p>\n<p>\n     President Trump paraded a group of Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may end up being a black eye for Elon Musk. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have also fallen. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOGL\">$(GOOGL)$</a> , Amazon <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">$(AMZN)$</a>, Apple <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">$(AAPL)$</a>, Meta <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">$(META)$</a>, Microsoft <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">$(MSFT)$</a> and Nvidia <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">$(NVDA)$</a>.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&amp;P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship \n</p>\n<p>\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some advice?\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n</p>\n<p>\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n</p>\n<p>\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n</p>\n<p>\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n</p>\n<p>\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n</p>\n<p>\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. Post your questions, or weigh in on the latest Moneyist columns. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By emailing your questions to The Moneyist or posting your dilemmas on The Moneyist Facebook group, you agree to have them published anonymously on MarketWatch. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By submitting your story to Dow Jones &amp; Co., the publisher of MarketWatch, you understand and agree that we may use your story, or versions of it, in all media and platforms, including via third parties. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. 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He stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-03-14 19:50</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW 'He claims to be a nihilist': I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares. He stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I've been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio' \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Quentin, \n</p>\n<p>\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n</p>\n<p>\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Former Friend \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Friend, \n</p>\n<p>\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, unsolicited opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n</p>\n<p>\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may look at Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. He may see that it has, by virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency and reason, \"This is going to hurt sales.\" And sell. Politics aside, people sell stocks if they believe they'll lose money. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Elon Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> is down nearly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $240 currently, but it's still higher than the $170 at this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: Has Tesla stock hit bottom? Here's what the options market is saying. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla 'shocking' sales decline \n</p>\n<p>\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to your opinion on Tesla's stock uncertain future, at least in the short term. On Tuesday, Trump bought a Tesla after parading a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025 - down over 50% on the same time last year, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales there are falling. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared him to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped either. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/WFC\">$(WFC)$</a> analyst Colin Langan, in an analyst note on Friday, described Tesl'a sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed with the statement that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n</p>\n<p>\n     President Trump paraded a group of Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may end up being a black eye for Elon Musk. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have also fallen. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOGL\">$(GOOGL)$</a> , Amazon <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">$(AMZN)$</a>, Apple <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">$(AAPL)$</a>, Meta <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">$(META)$</a>, Microsoft <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">$(MSFT)$</a> and Nvidia <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">$(NVDA)$</a>.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&amp;P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship \n</p>\n<p>\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some advice?\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n</p>\n<p>\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n</p>\n<p>\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n</p>\n<p>\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n</p>\n<p>\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n</p>\n<p>\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. Post your questions, or weigh in on the latest Moneyist columns. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By emailing your questions to The Moneyist or posting your dilemmas on The Moneyist Facebook group, you agree to have them published anonymously on MarketWatch. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By submitting your story to Dow Jones &amp; Co., the publisher of MarketWatch, you understand and agree that we may use your story, or versions of it, in all media and platforms, including via third parties. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. 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He stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?\n\n\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n\n\n     'I've been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio' \n\n\n     Dear Quentin, \n\n\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n\n\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n\n\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n\n\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n\n\n     Former Friend \n\n\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n\n\n     Dear Friend, \n\n\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n\n\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, unsolicited opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n\n\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may look at Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. He may see that it has, by virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency and reason, \"This is going to hurt sales.\" And sell. Politics aside, people sell stocks if they believe they'll lose money. \n\n\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Elon Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla $(TSLA)$ is down nearly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $240 currently, but it's still higher than the $170 at this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. \n\n\n     Related: Has Tesla stock hit bottom? Here's what the options market is saying. \n\n\n     Tesla 'shocking' sales decline \n\n\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to your opinion on Tesla's stock uncertain future, at least in the short term. On Tuesday, Trump bought a Tesla after parading a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n\n\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025 - down over 50% on the same time last year, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales there are falling. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared him to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped either. \n\n\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo $(WFC)$ analyst Colin Langan, in an analyst note on Friday, described Tesl'a sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed with the statement that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n\n\n     President Trump paraded a group of Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may end up being a black eye for Elon Musk. \n\n\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have also fallen. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n\n\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n\n\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet $(GOOGL)$ , Amazon $(AMZN)$, Apple $(AAPL)$, Meta $(META)$, Microsoft $(MSFT)$ and Nvidia $(NVDA)$.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n\n\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n\n\n     Finance and friendship \n\n\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n\n\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n\n\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some advice?\" \n\n\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n\n\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n\n\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n\n\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n\n\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n\n\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n\n\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n\n\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. Post your questions, or weigh in on the latest Moneyist columns. \n\n\n     By emailing your questions to The Moneyist or posting your dilemmas on The Moneyist Facebook group, you agree to have them published anonymously on MarketWatch. \n\n\n     By submitting your story to Dow Jones & Co., the publisher of MarketWatch, you understand and agree that we may use your story, or versions of it, in all media and platforms, including via third parties. \n\n\n     -Quentin Fottrell \n\n\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones & Co. 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It’s Built on a Dream","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2519136849","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"Tesla doesn’t deserve to be in the Magnificent Seven—and that means investors need a different strategy to trade the ever-controversial electric-vehicle maker.The Mag Seven, of course, are Amazon.com,","content":"<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla doesn’t deserve to be in the Magnificent Seven—and that means investors need a different strategy to trade the ever-controversial electric-vehicle maker. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The Mag Seven, of course, are Amazon.com, Alphabet, Apple, Meta Platforms, Microsoft, Nvidia, and, yes, Tesla. But like that old<em>Sesame Street</em>bit goes, one of these things is not like the other. Tesla is the odd one out. </p><p>That conclusion has nothing to do with any animus toward CEO Elon Musk due to his ties to President Donald Trump or his actions with the Department of Government Efficiency. It isn’t a nefarious plot to upend his wealth by crashing Tesla stock (as if we could). Musk will be fine. His Tesla stake was still worth some $160 billion even after shares dropped more than 50% from their all-time high, and he has another $200 billion in wealth represented by his non-Tesla assets. </p><p>We just follow the numbers—and the numbers suggest that Tesla just isn’t in the same class as the Magnificent Six. For starters, Tesla’s market value is no longer in the top seven among S&amp;P 500 stocks. With a market capitalization of about $740 billion, it’s now worth less than Berkshire Hathaway and Broadcom.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/a7f3aef4b6b5b19188e7858a8f2fed71\" tg-width=\"871\" tg-height=\"670\"/></p><p>But the real difference is in the quality of Tesla’s business. The Mag Six are profit machines, with an average operating margin of 37%. Tesla’s margin was a meager 7% in 2024—not even stellar compared with other car companies, let alone the tech titans it gets grouped with. Tesla has a valuation problem, too. The Mag Six stocks trade for an average of 26 times earnings, while Tesla trades for 85 times, down from 200 times three months ago.</p><p>And while the Mag Six are known for their relative stability, Tesla’s volatility is another sign that it belongs somewhere else. Shares have traded between $139 and $489 over the past 12 months—a range of $350, which amounts to 145% of their recent price. The ratio is less than 50% for Big Tech. Wall Street’s price targets for Tesla reflect that price uncertainty. They range from $25 to $550, with the difference between the two more than double its recent price. The average for the Mag Six is 63%. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Those numbers reflect a simple fact: Tesla is built on a dream. Its stock doesn’t rest on a sturdy foundation like Alphabet’s Google search, Apple’s iPhone, or Meta’s Instagram. The company doesn’t dominate a big business like Amazon does in retail or Nvidia in artificial-intelligence chips. To believe in Tesla is to believe that it will not only dominate the EV business, but is also on the cusp of unlocking trillions in value from AI-trained self-driving cars and humanoid robots. That makes it more like Palantir Technologies, AppLovin, or Moderna—richly valued, highly volatile stocks that also trade on hopes for the future rather than dominance in the present. </p><p>Unfortunately, Tesla’s dream is threatening to turn into a nightmare. Tesla sales have been slumping: In January, combined U.S., European, and Chinese sales dropped 20% year over year. People have been protesting its stores globally, boycotting sales, selling their used Teslas, and damaging charging stations. The resulting damage has caught the attention of Wall Street. “We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,” says J.P. Morgan analyst Ryan Brinkman. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla’s rise following Trump’s victory was based on little more than air, and now those gains have disappeared almost as quickly as they arrived. They were almost surely undeserved. A fair value for the stock, based on the car and energy businesses, is probably closer to $200 to $250 a share, or 40 or 50 times 2027 earnings, if for no other reason than Tesla is expected to boost profits at three times the rate of the S&amp;P 500, which trades at 17 times. Anything beyond that range is a bet on the Tesla dream; anything below, and the stock starts to look interesting. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Where it goes next may be entirely up to Musk. He is the source of almost all the volatility, but also the source of the gains. Just showing up at Tesla and demonstrating a little balance in his life could be enough to slake investor concerns, says Wedbush’s Dan Ives. After that, Musk needs to deliver on his promises of a new lower-price model and a robo-taxi service, both slated for later this year. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Elon, it’s back to you. </p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla Is No Mag 7 Stock. 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It’s Built on a Dream\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-03-14 16:00</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla doesn’t deserve to be in the Magnificent Seven—and that means investors need a different strategy to trade the ever-controversial electric-vehicle maker. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The Mag Seven, of course, are Amazon.com, Alphabet, Apple, Meta Platforms, Microsoft, Nvidia, and, yes, Tesla. But like that old<em>Sesame Street</em>bit goes, one of these things is not like the other. Tesla is the odd one out. </p><p>That conclusion has nothing to do with any animus toward CEO Elon Musk due to his ties to President Donald Trump or his actions with the Department of Government Efficiency. It isn’t a nefarious plot to upend his wealth by crashing Tesla stock (as if we could). Musk will be fine. His Tesla stake was still worth some $160 billion even after shares dropped more than 50% from their all-time high, and he has another $200 billion in wealth represented by his non-Tesla assets. </p><p>We just follow the numbers—and the numbers suggest that Tesla just isn’t in the same class as the Magnificent Six. For starters, Tesla’s market value is no longer in the top seven among S&amp;P 500 stocks. With a market capitalization of about $740 billion, it’s now worth less than Berkshire Hathaway and Broadcom.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/a7f3aef4b6b5b19188e7858a8f2fed71\" tg-width=\"871\" tg-height=\"670\"/></p><p>But the real difference is in the quality of Tesla’s business. The Mag Six are profit machines, with an average operating margin of 37%. Tesla’s margin was a meager 7% in 2024—not even stellar compared with other car companies, let alone the tech titans it gets grouped with. Tesla has a valuation problem, too. The Mag Six stocks trade for an average of 26 times earnings, while Tesla trades for 85 times, down from 200 times three months ago.</p><p>And while the Mag Six are known for their relative stability, Tesla’s volatility is another sign that it belongs somewhere else. Shares have traded between $139 and $489 over the past 12 months—a range of $350, which amounts to 145% of their recent price. The ratio is less than 50% for Big Tech. Wall Street’s price targets for Tesla reflect that price uncertainty. They range from $25 to $550, with the difference between the two more than double its recent price. The average for the Mag Six is 63%. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Those numbers reflect a simple fact: Tesla is built on a dream. Its stock doesn’t rest on a sturdy foundation like Alphabet’s Google search, Apple’s iPhone, or Meta’s Instagram. The company doesn’t dominate a big business like Amazon does in retail or Nvidia in artificial-intelligence chips. To believe in Tesla is to believe that it will not only dominate the EV business, but is also on the cusp of unlocking trillions in value from AI-trained self-driving cars and humanoid robots. That makes it more like Palantir Technologies, AppLovin, or Moderna—richly valued, highly volatile stocks that also trade on hopes for the future rather than dominance in the present. </p><p>Unfortunately, Tesla’s dream is threatening to turn into a nightmare. Tesla sales have been slumping: In January, combined U.S., European, and Chinese sales dropped 20% year over year. People have been protesting its stores globally, boycotting sales, selling their used Teslas, and damaging charging stations. The resulting damage has caught the attention of Wall Street. “We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,” says J.P. Morgan analyst Ryan Brinkman. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla’s rise following Trump’s victory was based on little more than air, and now those gains have disappeared almost as quickly as they arrived. They were almost surely undeserved. A fair value for the stock, based on the car and energy businesses, is probably closer to $200 to $250 a share, or 40 or 50 times 2027 earnings, if for no other reason than Tesla is expected to boost profits at three times the rate of the S&amp;P 500, which trades at 17 times. Anything beyond that range is a bet on the Tesla dream; anything below, and the stock starts to look interesting. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Where it goes next may be entirely up to Musk. He is the source of almost all the volatility, but also the source of the gains. Just showing up at Tesla and demonstrating a little balance in his life could be enough to slake investor concerns, says Wedbush’s Dan Ives. After that, Musk needs to deliver on his promises of a new lower-price model and a robo-taxi service, both slated for later this year. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Elon, it’s back to you. </p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LU0823434583.USD":"BNP PARIBAS US GROWTH \"C\" (USD) ACC","LU1116320737.USD":"BGF SYSTEMATIC GLOBAL ENHANCED EQUITY YIELD \"A6\" (USD) INC","LU2286300806.USD":"Allianz Cyber Security AT Acc USD","IE0034235303.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US RESEARCH ENHANCED CORE EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU2452424414.USD":"BGF ESG MULTI-ASSET \"A10\" (USDHDG) INC","IE00BJTD4N35.SGD":"Neuberger Berman US Long Short Equity A1  Acc SGD-H","BK4503":"景林资产持仓","LU1917777945.USD":"安联专题基金Cl AT Acc","LU2271345857.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL SUSTAINABILITY \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","SG9999014914.USD":"UNITED GLOBAL QUALITY GROWTH (USDHDG) INC","HK0000306685.HKD":"TAIKANG KAITAI CHINA NEW OPPORTUNITIES FUND \"A\" (HKD) INC","LU1506573853.SGD":"MANULIFE GF GLOBAL EQUITY \"AA\" (SGD) INC","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU2413666426.HKD":"BNP PARIBAS GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT \"C\" (HKD) ACC","IE00BHPRN162.USD":"BNY MELLON BLOCKCHAIN INNOVATION \"B\" (USD) ACC","BK4511":"特斯拉概念","LU2168564065.EUR":"AZ ALLOCATION - TREND \"AAZ\" (EUR) ACC","SGXZ81514606.USD":"大华环球创新基金A Acc USD","SG9999000418.SGD":"Aberdeen Standard Global Technology SGD","BK4567":"ESG概念","LU0426417589.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL FRANCHISE \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4507":"流媒体概念","LU1670711040.USD":"M&G (LUX) GLOBAL DIVIDEND \"A\" (USD) ACC"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2519136849","content_text":"Tesla doesn’t deserve to be in the Magnificent Seven—and that means investors need a different strategy to trade the ever-controversial electric-vehicle maker. The Mag Seven, of course, are Amazon.com, Alphabet, Apple, Meta Platforms, Microsoft, Nvidia, and, yes, Tesla. But like that oldSesame Streetbit goes, one of these things is not like the other. Tesla is the odd one out. That conclusion has nothing to do with any animus toward CEO Elon Musk due to his ties to President Donald Trump or his actions with the Department of Government Efficiency. It isn’t a nefarious plot to upend his wealth by crashing Tesla stock (as if we could). Musk will be fine. His Tesla stake was still worth some $160 billion even after shares dropped more than 50% from their all-time high, and he has another $200 billion in wealth represented by his non-Tesla assets. We just follow the numbers—and the numbers suggest that Tesla just isn’t in the same class as the Magnificent Six. For starters, Tesla’s market value is no longer in the top seven among S&P 500 stocks. With a market capitalization of about $740 billion, it’s now worth less than Berkshire Hathaway and Broadcom.But the real difference is in the quality of Tesla’s business. The Mag Six are profit machines, with an average operating margin of 37%. Tesla’s margin was a meager 7% in 2024—not even stellar compared with other car companies, let alone the tech titans it gets grouped with. Tesla has a valuation problem, too. The Mag Six stocks trade for an average of 26 times earnings, while Tesla trades for 85 times, down from 200 times three months ago.And while the Mag Six are known for their relative stability, Tesla’s volatility is another sign that it belongs somewhere else. Shares have traded between $139 and $489 over the past 12 months—a range of $350, which amounts to 145% of their recent price. The ratio is less than 50% for Big Tech. Wall Street’s price targets for Tesla reflect that price uncertainty. They range from $25 to $550, with the difference between the two more than double its recent price. The average for the Mag Six is 63%. Those numbers reflect a simple fact: Tesla is built on a dream. Its stock doesn’t rest on a sturdy foundation like Alphabet’s Google search, Apple’s iPhone, or Meta’s Instagram. The company doesn’t dominate a big business like Amazon does in retail or Nvidia in artificial-intelligence chips. To believe in Tesla is to believe that it will not only dominate the EV business, but is also on the cusp of unlocking trillions in value from AI-trained self-driving cars and humanoid robots. That makes it more like Palantir Technologies, AppLovin, or Moderna—richly valued, highly volatile stocks that also trade on hopes for the future rather than dominance in the present. Unfortunately, Tesla’s dream is threatening to turn into a nightmare. Tesla sales have been slumping: In January, combined U.S., European, and Chinese sales dropped 20% year over year. People have been protesting its stores globally, boycotting sales, selling their used Teslas, and damaging charging stations. The resulting damage has caught the attention of Wall Street. “We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,” says J.P. Morgan analyst Ryan Brinkman. Tesla’s rise following Trump’s victory was based on little more than air, and now those gains have disappeared almost as quickly as they arrived. They were almost surely undeserved. A fair value for the stock, based on the car and energy businesses, is probably closer to $200 to $250 a share, or 40 or 50 times 2027 earnings, if for no other reason than Tesla is expected to boost profits at three times the rate of the S&P 500, which trades at 17 times. Anything beyond that range is a bet on the Tesla dream; anything below, and the stock starts to look interesting. Where it goes next may be entirely up to Musk. He is the source of almost all the volatility, but also the source of the gains. Just showing up at Tesla and demonstrating a little balance in his life could be enough to slake investor concerns, says Wedbush’s Dan Ives. After that, Musk needs to deliver on his promises of a new lower-price model and a robo-taxi service, both slated for later this year. Elon, it’s back to you.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":317,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":413077009903912,"gmtCreate":1741881654059,"gmtModify":1741881987117,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Sour grapes stirring shit","listText":"Sour grapes stirring shit","text":"Sour grapes stirring shit","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/413077009903912","repostId":"2519561288","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2519561288","kind":"highlight","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1741880580,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2519561288?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-03-13 23:43","market":"other","language":"en","title":"Trump just bought a Tesla, but many other owners are selling their Musk-made EVs. What's going on?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2519561288","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"There are nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, in a market complicated by politics. Lindy Lowe had one of the rarest perks in the electric-vehicle world: free charging for life.Her gray Tesla Model X, bought in 2019, came with that \"wonderful\" charging deal and a seven-year warranty, she said. Never an Elon Musk fan, Lowe just enjoyed driving her Tesla around the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond. She mostly didn't associate her car with Tesla Inc.'s  chief executive.After the November elections, Lowe said, her husband was ready to sell the car but she held back, in part because of the free charging. Then she saw Musk's post on X, the social-media platform he owns, in early February implying that federal employees don't work hard enough.If some of those Trump supporters are looking for a used Tesla, there will be plenty to choose from. Autotrader.com showed nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, a big increase from just a few months ago.The percent","content":"<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW Trump just bought a Tesla, but many other owners are selling their Musk-made EVs. What's going on?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Claudia Assis and Weston Blasi \n</p>\n<p>\n     There are nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, in a market complicated by politics \n</p>\n<p>\n     Lindy Lowe had one of the rarest perks in the electric-vehicle world: free charging for life. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Her gray Tesla Model X, bought in 2019, came with that \"wonderful\" charging deal and a seven-year warranty, she said. Never an Elon Musk fan, Lowe just enjoyed driving her Tesla around the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond. She mostly didn't associate her car with Tesla Inc.'s <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> chief executive. \n</p>\n<p>\n     After the November elections, Lowe said, her husband was ready to sell the car but she held back, in part because of the free charging. Then she saw Musk's post on X, the social-media platform he owns, in early February implying that federal employees don't work hard enough. \n</p>\n<p>\n     To Lowe, it seemed outrageous and mean-spirited. Driving her Tesla felt like lending \"some kind of tacit support\" to Musk's point of view and his activities leading the so-called Department of Government Efficiency. Soon after, Lowe traded in her Tesla for a Volvo XC90 plug-in hybrid. She has no regrets, she said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     There are many reasons to sell or trade in a car. It is a personal decision, perhaps even more than the decision to buy a car, which can come with some degree of urgency. \n</p>\n<p>\n     With Teslas, however, there is now an undercurrent of politics that is leading some owners to think about selling. Meanwhile, President Donald Trump on Tuesday made good on a promise to buy a Tesla as he showcased a group of them on the South Lawn of the White House. On X, supporters of Trump posted their intention to back Tesla, suggesting that the EV maker could pick up some new buyers. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If some of those Trump supporters are looking for a used Tesla, there will be plenty to choose from. Autotrader.com showed nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, a big increase from just a few months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Mark Schirmer, director of industry insights at Cox Automotive, which owns Autotrader, said that late last year there were some 11,300 used Tesla listings a month. One year earlier, there were about 8,800 used Teslas listed per month. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The increasing number of used Teslas on the market is at least in part related to the number of new Tesla vehicles that have been sold in recent years. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In the U.S., Tesla sales peaked in the third quarter of 2023, when the EV maker sold 166,000 cars, according to Edmunds. (Tesla reports its sales in the aggregate, breaking them down by model only.) That sales spike took place during a steady postpandemic climb and at the start of Tesla's ongoing push for more leases. Some of the Teslas coming off the most popular three-year lease term are hitting the used-car market now. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The percentage of used Teslas on the market is relatively small compared with other car makers, Schirmer said. \"For the size of Tesla - their share of the new market - the volume is growing, but is actually quite low,\" he said. Mazda, a smaller carmaker, has more used-car listings despite its smaller new-car footprint, he said.  \"All we can say for certain,\" he added, is that \"the volume of listings is indeed increasing.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     'The hate is real' \n</p>\n<p>\n     Musk's involvement with DOGE and other aspects of the political sphere, including voicing support for the far right in Europe, has been followed by protests at Tesla facilities, vandalization of Tesla electric vehicles and altercations between protesters and Tesla owners. \n</p>\n<p>\n     But not all Tesla owners who may feel uncomfortable being associated with Musk are selling their EVs. Some are taking less drastic action, like putting bumper stickers on their cars that signal their discontent with Musk's politics. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"The interest in the stickers has been extremely high,\" said Matthew Hiller, who sells Musk-centric stickers on Etsy and has seen demand rise to 500 stickers a day, which sell for $6 to $10. \"I'm getting orders from all over the world, every day. It's not just America who's fed up with Elon.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     In Washington state, one Tesla Cybertruck owner has taken things a step further, putting the badge of rival electric-vehicle maker Rivian <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/RIVN\">$(RIVN)$</a> on his electric truck. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The owner, a 47-year-old self-employed man, requested anonymity because he said he lives in a small town and has faced vitriol toward his truck since the presidential election. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"The hate is real right now,\" he said. \"I expected people to be, 'Gosh, that's an ugly truck,' but I didn't expect people to be like, 'I hate you because of your Cybertruck.'\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     So he bought Rivian badges off Amazon.com and put them on magnets so he could take them on and off. They have been on more than off, he said. He knew most people wouldn't be fooled and mistake a Cybertruck for a Rivian, but some people were getting \"aggressive,\" he said, \"and I just needed some sort of sign that I don't really align with what's going on.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     A rough market for used EVs in general \n</p>\n<p>\n     The issues around used Teslas come amid an overall decline in the prices for used EVs. The price for all used EVs fell 15.1% over the past year, compared with a drop of less than 1% for hybrids and gas-powered cars over the same period, according to a recent iSeeCars study. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"Too many factors are pushing against EVs right now,\" iSeeCars analyst Karl Brauer said. \"Prices remain higher than the equivalent gasoline car, even with government incentives, which are almost assuredly going away.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     People are also less confident about spending today than they were six months ago. \"Anytime you are not as confident and [interest] rates are higher, if you're going to make a big purchase, the more expensive it is, it's going to be difficult,\" Brauer said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Shares of Tesla jumped 91% from Election Day to a Dec. 17 record close of $479.86, but the stock has since lost that \"Trump bump,\" dropping 51% from that high, as investors worry about Musk's involvement with DOGE, his support of far-right causes in Europe - where sales of new Teslas have fallen - the lack of near-term catalysts for the stock, and increased competition in EVs. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Sales of new Teslas in China also have fallen, and on Wednesday Automotive News reported that U.S. registrations for new Teslas fell 11% in January, citing S&amp;P Global Mobility data. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is slated to report first-quarter new-car sales in early April, with the FactSet consensus expecting 430,000 EVs sold, up from 387,000 in the first quarter of 2024. Several investment banks have dialed down their expectations for first-quarter Tesla sales in recent weeks. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Don't miss: Trump's tariffs worry companies. Here's what they're saying about the uncertainty. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Claudia Assis -Weston Blasi \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n</p>\n<pre>\n \n</pre>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  March 13, 2025 11:43 ET (15:43 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Trump just bought a Tesla, but many other owners are selling their Musk-made EVs. 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What's going on?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-03-13 23:43</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW Trump just bought a Tesla, but many other owners are selling their Musk-made EVs. What's going on?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Claudia Assis and Weston Blasi \n</p>\n<p>\n     There are nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, in a market complicated by politics \n</p>\n<p>\n     Lindy Lowe had one of the rarest perks in the electric-vehicle world: free charging for life. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Her gray Tesla Model X, bought in 2019, came with that \"wonderful\" charging deal and a seven-year warranty, she said. Never an Elon Musk fan, Lowe just enjoyed driving her Tesla around the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond. She mostly didn't associate her car with Tesla Inc.'s <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> chief executive. \n</p>\n<p>\n     After the November elections, Lowe said, her husband was ready to sell the car but she held back, in part because of the free charging. Then she saw Musk's post on X, the social-media platform he owns, in early February implying that federal employees don't work hard enough. \n</p>\n<p>\n     To Lowe, it seemed outrageous and mean-spirited. Driving her Tesla felt like lending \"some kind of tacit support\" to Musk's point of view and his activities leading the so-called Department of Government Efficiency. Soon after, Lowe traded in her Tesla for a Volvo XC90 plug-in hybrid. She has no regrets, she said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     There are many reasons to sell or trade in a car. It is a personal decision, perhaps even more than the decision to buy a car, which can come with some degree of urgency. \n</p>\n<p>\n     With Teslas, however, there is now an undercurrent of politics that is leading some owners to think about selling. Meanwhile, President Donald Trump on Tuesday made good on a promise to buy a Tesla as he showcased a group of them on the South Lawn of the White House. On X, supporters of Trump posted their intention to back Tesla, suggesting that the EV maker could pick up some new buyers. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If some of those Trump supporters are looking for a used Tesla, there will be plenty to choose from. Autotrader.com showed nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, a big increase from just a few months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Mark Schirmer, director of industry insights at Cox Automotive, which owns Autotrader, said that late last year there were some 11,300 used Tesla listings a month. One year earlier, there were about 8,800 used Teslas listed per month. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The increasing number of used Teslas on the market is at least in part related to the number of new Tesla vehicles that have been sold in recent years. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In the U.S., Tesla sales peaked in the third quarter of 2023, when the EV maker sold 166,000 cars, according to Edmunds. (Tesla reports its sales in the aggregate, breaking them down by model only.) That sales spike took place during a steady postpandemic climb and at the start of Tesla's ongoing push for more leases. Some of the Teslas coming off the most popular three-year lease term are hitting the used-car market now. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The percentage of used Teslas on the market is relatively small compared with other car makers, Schirmer said. \"For the size of Tesla - their share of the new market - the volume is growing, but is actually quite low,\" he said. Mazda, a smaller carmaker, has more used-car listings despite its smaller new-car footprint, he said.  \"All we can say for certain,\" he added, is that \"the volume of listings is indeed increasing.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     'The hate is real' \n</p>\n<p>\n     Musk's involvement with DOGE and other aspects of the political sphere, including voicing support for the far right in Europe, has been followed by protests at Tesla facilities, vandalization of Tesla electric vehicles and altercations between protesters and Tesla owners. \n</p>\n<p>\n     But not all Tesla owners who may feel uncomfortable being associated with Musk are selling their EVs. Some are taking less drastic action, like putting bumper stickers on their cars that signal their discontent with Musk's politics. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"The interest in the stickers has been extremely high,\" said Matthew Hiller, who sells Musk-centric stickers on Etsy and has seen demand rise to 500 stickers a day, which sell for $6 to $10. \"I'm getting orders from all over the world, every day. It's not just America who's fed up with Elon.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     In Washington state, one Tesla Cybertruck owner has taken things a step further, putting the badge of rival electric-vehicle maker Rivian <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/RIVN\">$(RIVN)$</a> on his electric truck. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The owner, a 47-year-old self-employed man, requested anonymity because he said he lives in a small town and has faced vitriol toward his truck since the presidential election. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"The hate is real right now,\" he said. \"I expected people to be, 'Gosh, that's an ugly truck,' but I didn't expect people to be like, 'I hate you because of your Cybertruck.'\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     So he bought Rivian badges off Amazon.com and put them on magnets so he could take them on and off. They have been on more than off, he said. He knew most people wouldn't be fooled and mistake a Cybertruck for a Rivian, but some people were getting \"aggressive,\" he said, \"and I just needed some sort of sign that I don't really align with what's going on.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     A rough market for used EVs in general \n</p>\n<p>\n     The issues around used Teslas come amid an overall decline in the prices for used EVs. The price for all used EVs fell 15.1% over the past year, compared with a drop of less than 1% for hybrids and gas-powered cars over the same period, according to a recent iSeeCars study. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"Too many factors are pushing against EVs right now,\" iSeeCars analyst Karl Brauer said. \"Prices remain higher than the equivalent gasoline car, even with government incentives, which are almost assuredly going away.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     People are also less confident about spending today than they were six months ago. \"Anytime you are not as confident and [interest] rates are higher, if you're going to make a big purchase, the more expensive it is, it's going to be difficult,\" Brauer said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Shares of Tesla jumped 91% from Election Day to a Dec. 17 record close of $479.86, but the stock has since lost that \"Trump bump,\" dropping 51% from that high, as investors worry about Musk's involvement with DOGE, his support of far-right causes in Europe - where sales of new Teslas have fallen - the lack of near-term catalysts for the stock, and increased competition in EVs. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Sales of new Teslas in China also have fallen, and on Wednesday Automotive News reported that U.S. registrations for new Teslas fell 11% in January, citing S&amp;P Global Mobility data. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is slated to report first-quarter new-car sales in early April, with the FactSet consensus expecting 430,000 EVs sold, up from 387,000 in the first quarter of 2024. Several investment banks have dialed down their expectations for first-quarter Tesla sales in recent weeks. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Don't miss: Trump's tariffs worry companies. Here's what they're saying about the uncertainty. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Claudia Assis -Weston Blasi \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n</p>\n<pre>\n \n</pre>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  March 13, 2025 11:43 ET (15:43 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LU2471134796.USD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","LU1674673691.USD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL LOWER CARBON EQUITY \"AD\" (USD) INC","LU0198837287.USD":"UBS (LUX) EQUITY SICAV - USA GROWTH \"P\" (USD) ACC","LU1861215975.USD":"贝莱德新一代科技基金 A2","LU0323591593.USD":"SCHRODER ISF QEP GLOBAL QUALITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0316494557.USD":"FRANKLIN GLOBAL FUNDAMENTAL STRATEGIES \"A\" ACC","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU2471134523.USD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1861220033.SGD":"Blackrock Next Generation Technology A2 SGD-H","LU1861558580.USD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B","LU1778281490.HKD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL LOWER CARBON EQUITY \"AD\" (HKD) INC","LU0820561818.USD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金Cl AM DIS","BK4516":"特朗普概念","LU2602419157.SGD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"AC\" (SGD) ACC","LU1066051225.USD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL EQUITY VOLATILITY FOCUSED \"AC\" (USD) ACC","LU0077335932.USD":"FIDELITY AMERICAN GROWTH \"A\" INC","BK4612":"AI芯片","LU0348723411.USD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL HI-TECH GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","LU1720051108.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU2357305700.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence ET H2-SGD","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares","LU1839511570.USD":"WELLS FARGO GLOBAL FACTOR ENHANCED EQUITY \"I\" (USD) ACC","LU1861559042.SGD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B SGD","LU0053666078.USD":"摩根大通基金-美国股票A（离岸）美元","LU1366192091.USD":"ALLIANZ US EQUITY PLUS \"AM\" (USD) INC","LU0823411888.USD":"法巴消费创新基金 Cap","LU2213496289.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU2360107168.USD":"BGF NEXT GENERATION TECHNOLOGY \"A4\" (USD) INC","LU0719512351.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - US Technology A (acc) SGD","BK4543":"AI","LU2290526834.HKD":"BGF NEXT GENERATION TECHNOLOGY \"A2\" (HKDHDG) ACC","BK4527":"明星科技股","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","BK4588":"碎股","TSYW.SI":"TESLA 3xLongSG261006","LU2249611893.SGD":"BNP PARIBAS ENERGY TRANSITION \"CRH\" (SGD) ACC","SG9999015945.SGD":"LionGlobal Disruptive Innovation Fund A SGD","LU2063271972.USD":"富兰克林创新领域基金","IE00BK4W5L77.USD":"HSBC GLOBAL FUNDS ICAV US EQUITY INDEX \"HC\" (USD) ACC","IE00BK4W5M84.HKD":"HSBC GLOBAL FUNDS ICAV US EQUITY INDEX \"HC\" (HKD) ACC","LU2471134879.HKD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (HKD) INC","LU1145028129.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AQ\" (USD) INC","RIVN":"Rivian Automotive, Inc.","LU0097036916.USD":"贝莱德美国增长A2 USD","LU1066053197.SGD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL EQUITY VOLATILITY FOCUSED \"AM3\" (SGDHDG) INC","BK4511":"特斯拉概念"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2519561288","content_text":"MW Trump just bought a Tesla, but many other owners are selling their Musk-made EVs. What's going on?\n\n\n  By Claudia Assis and Weston Blasi \n\n\n     There are nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, in a market complicated by politics \n\n\n     Lindy Lowe had one of the rarest perks in the electric-vehicle world: free charging for life. \n\n\n     Her gray Tesla Model X, bought in 2019, came with that \"wonderful\" charging deal and a seven-year warranty, she said. Never an Elon Musk fan, Lowe just enjoyed driving her Tesla around the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond. She mostly didn't associate her car with Tesla Inc.'s $(TSLA)$ chief executive. \n\n\n     After the November elections, Lowe said, her husband was ready to sell the car but she held back, in part because of the free charging. Then she saw Musk's post on X, the social-media platform he owns, in early February implying that federal employees don't work hard enough. \n\n\n     To Lowe, it seemed outrageous and mean-spirited. Driving her Tesla felt like lending \"some kind of tacit support\" to Musk's point of view and his activities leading the so-called Department of Government Efficiency. Soon after, Lowe traded in her Tesla for a Volvo XC90 plug-in hybrid. She has no regrets, she said. \n\n\n     There are many reasons to sell or trade in a car. It is a personal decision, perhaps even more than the decision to buy a car, which can come with some degree of urgency. \n\n\n     With Teslas, however, there is now an undercurrent of politics that is leading some owners to think about selling. Meanwhile, President Donald Trump on Tuesday made good on a promise to buy a Tesla as he showcased a group of them on the South Lawn of the White House. On X, supporters of Trump posted their intention to back Tesla, suggesting that the EV maker could pick up some new buyers. \n\n\n     If some of those Trump supporters are looking for a used Tesla, there will be plenty to choose from. Autotrader.com showed nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, a big increase from just a few months ago. \n\n\n     Mark Schirmer, director of industry insights at Cox Automotive, which owns Autotrader, said that late last year there were some 11,300 used Tesla listings a month. One year earlier, there were about 8,800 used Teslas listed per month. \n\n\n     The increasing number of used Teslas on the market is at least in part related to the number of new Tesla vehicles that have been sold in recent years. \n\n\n     In the U.S., Tesla sales peaked in the third quarter of 2023, when the EV maker sold 166,000 cars, according to Edmunds. (Tesla reports its sales in the aggregate, breaking them down by model only.) That sales spike took place during a steady postpandemic climb and at the start of Tesla's ongoing push for more leases. Some of the Teslas coming off the most popular three-year lease term are hitting the used-car market now. \n\n\n     The percentage of used Teslas on the market is relatively small compared with other car makers, Schirmer said. \"For the size of Tesla - their share of the new market - the volume is growing, but is actually quite low,\" he said. Mazda, a smaller carmaker, has more used-car listings despite its smaller new-car footprint, he said.  \"All we can say for certain,\" he added, is that \"the volume of listings is indeed increasing.\" \n\n\n     'The hate is real' \n\n\n     Musk's involvement with DOGE and other aspects of the political sphere, including voicing support for the far right in Europe, has been followed by protests at Tesla facilities, vandalization of Tesla electric vehicles and altercations between protesters and Tesla owners. \n\n\n     But not all Tesla owners who may feel uncomfortable being associated with Musk are selling their EVs. Some are taking less drastic action, like putting bumper stickers on their cars that signal their discontent with Musk's politics. \n\n\n     \"The interest in the stickers has been extremely high,\" said Matthew Hiller, who sells Musk-centric stickers on Etsy and has seen demand rise to 500 stickers a day, which sell for $6 to $10. \"I'm getting orders from all over the world, every day. It's not just America who's fed up with Elon.\" \n\n\n     In Washington state, one Tesla Cybertruck owner has taken things a step further, putting the badge of rival electric-vehicle maker Rivian $(RIVN)$ on his electric truck. \n\n\n     The owner, a 47-year-old self-employed man, requested anonymity because he said he lives in a small town and has faced vitriol toward his truck since the presidential election. \n\n\n     \"The hate is real right now,\" he said. \"I expected people to be, 'Gosh, that's an ugly truck,' but I didn't expect people to be like, 'I hate you because of your Cybertruck.'\" \n\n\n     So he bought Rivian badges off Amazon.com and put them on magnets so he could take them on and off. They have been on more than off, he said. He knew most people wouldn't be fooled and mistake a Cybertruck for a Rivian, but some people were getting \"aggressive,\" he said, \"and I just needed some sort of sign that I don't really align with what's going on.\" \n\n\n     A rough market for used EVs in general \n\n\n     The issues around used Teslas come amid an overall decline in the prices for used EVs. The price for all used EVs fell 15.1% over the past year, compared with a drop of less than 1% for hybrids and gas-powered cars over the same period, according to a recent iSeeCars study. \n\n\n     \"Too many factors are pushing against EVs right now,\" iSeeCars analyst Karl Brauer said. \"Prices remain higher than the equivalent gasoline car, even with government incentives, which are almost assuredly going away.\" \n\n\n     People are also less confident about spending today than they were six months ago. \"Anytime you are not as confident and [interest] rates are higher, if you're going to make a big purchase, the more expensive it is, it's going to be difficult,\" Brauer said. \n\n\n     Shares of Tesla jumped 91% from Election Day to a Dec. 17 record close of $479.86, but the stock has since lost that \"Trump bump,\" dropping 51% from that high, as investors worry about Musk's involvement with DOGE, his support of far-right causes in Europe - where sales of new Teslas have fallen - the lack of near-term catalysts for the stock, and increased competition in EVs. \n\n\n     Sales of new Teslas in China also have fallen, and on Wednesday Automotive News reported that U.S. registrations for new Teslas fell 11% in January, citing S&P Global Mobility data. \n\n\n     Tesla is slated to report first-quarter new-car sales in early April, with the FactSet consensus expecting 430,000 EVs sold, up from 387,000 in the first quarter of 2024. Several investment banks have dialed down their expectations for first-quarter Tesla sales in recent weeks. \n\n\n     Don't miss: Trump's tariffs worry companies. Here's what they're saying about the uncertainty. \n\n\n     -Claudia Assis -Weston Blasi \n\n\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones & Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n\n\n \n\n\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n\n\n  March 13, 2025 11:43 ET (15:43 GMT)\n\n\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":431,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":413027800891552,"gmtCreate":1741869719307,"gmtModify":1741870808892,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"So what has this got to do with Tesla???? Try harder to stir shit here","listText":"So what has this got to do with Tesla???? Try harder to stir shit here","text":"So what has this got to do with Tesla???? Try harder to stir shit here","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":1,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/413027800891552","repostId":"2519836789","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2519836789","kind":"highlight","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1741869180,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2519836789?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-03-13 20:33","market":"sh","language":"en","title":"New report casts significant doubt on Musk and Trump's government-fraud claims","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2519836789","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"Yet another setback for Elon Musk's claim of a $1 trillion 'DOGE dividend'. Less than a day after Elon Musk promised to find $1 trillion in free money by cutting \"fraud and waste\" from the federal government - an amount equal to about one federal dollar in seven - his claim has been undercut by yet another government report.Total federal \"improper payments\" last year came to $162 billion, according to figures released by the Government Accountability Office.And the Biden administration had already slashed that figure by a third, or $74 billion, from the year before, as pandemic-era programs were wound down, the GAO added.The further you look into the report, the worse news becomes for everyone who had already been planning out how to spend their share of the so-called DOGE dividend.For instance, the GAO's \"improper payments\" figure included $7.9 billion in underpayments, which is where the federal government failed to pay people what they were owed.But if that seems like an easy way to","content":"<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW New report casts significant doubt on Musk and Trump's government-fraud claims\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Brett Arends \n</p>\n<p>\n     Yet another setback for Elon Musk's claim of a $1 trillion 'DOGE dividend' \n</p>\n<p>\n     Less than a day after Elon Musk promised to find $1 trillion in free money by cutting \"fraud and waste\" from the federal government - an amount equal to about one federal dollar in seven - his claim has been undercut by yet another government report. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Total federal \"improper payments\" last year came to $162 billion, according to figures released by the Government Accountability Office. \n</p>\n<p>\n     And the Biden administration had already slashed that figure by a third, or $74 billion, from the year before, as pandemic-era programs were wound down, the GAO added. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The further you look into the report, the worse news becomes for everyone who had already been planning out how to spend their share of the so-called DOGE dividend. \n</p>\n<p>\n     For instance, the GAO's \"improper payments\" figure included $7.9 billion in underpayments, which is where the federal government failed to pay people what they were owed. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Deduct that figure from the total - and pay that money out, as intended - and the total savings Uncle Sam could have achieved last year by perfect accounting would have come to $146.2 billion, the GAO numbers show. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Oh, and even this includes $12.6 billion in so-called unknown payments, which the GAO says is where it is \"unclear whether a payment was an error or not.\" So these might not be overpayments at all, either. \n</p>\n<p>\n     But even if we assume all of this is actual fraud and waste, the total was 2% of federal spending, which came to $6.8 trillion last year. So that leaves Musk about $850 billion short of the $1 trillion savings he promised Fox Business host, and former Trump White House economist, Larry Kudlow on Monday night. \n</p>\n<p>\n     For the purposes of illustration, $850 billion is roughly the size of the entire defense department. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Opinion: Elon Musk says federal fraud is bigger than the entire defense budget. Could that actually be true? \n</p>\n<p>\n     On the positive front, the GAO said its improper-payments report did not include any waste, fraud or abuse in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, the Small Business Administration's Shuttered Venue Operators Grants program, or the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Office of Public and Indian Housing's Tenant-Based Rental Assistance. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's lucky Musk is rocket scientist-adjacent. Maybe one of those people can make his math work. Quantum physics, maybe? \n</p>\n<p>\n     For all of us awaiting Musk's free-money bonanza and the \"DOGE dividend,\" the news gets even worse. \n</p>\n<p>\n     A third of all this excess spending, $54.3 billion, was accounted for by waste, fraud and improperly coded payments in Medicare. \n</p>\n<p>\n     But if that seems like an easy way to cut waste, think again. That figure represents just over 5% of the Medicare budget, which had gross outlays of $1.05 trillion last year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In comparison, the U.S.'s magnificently efficient private-sector health-insurance companies spend about 12% of their revenues on administrative costs in order to minimize waste, fraud and the like. \n</p>\n<p>\n     So, using the private sector as a benchmark, in order to slash that $54 billion in apparent waste and fraud, we would first have to spend ... er ... $120 billion a year on administrative costs instead. \n</p>\n<p>\n     That would leave us $66 billion worse off, costing the average American household an extra $500 a year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     At this rate, the so-called Department of Government Efficiency's \"dividend\" will end up as a cash call. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The GAO report comes shortly after a government investigation raised new questions about the claim made by Musk and President Donald Trump that vast numbers of dead people are receiving Social Security benefits. The Social Security inspector general found that although there were 760,000 \"dead\" people on the Social Security rolls in Idaho, just 86 of them, or 0.011%, had been sent benefit payments after their deaths. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Total savings, by eliminating all 86 of these overpayments, would come to $611,000 a year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Musk continues to assert that the federal government doesn't merely include inefficiencies, waste and even fraud but that the sums involved are enormous and egregious, amounting to the biggest scam in American history. \n</p>\n<p>\n     During the Kudlow interview, the Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> and SpaceX CEO and owner of the social-media platform X, claimed the GAO recently found \"half a trillion dollars\" in annual fraud in federal spending. Actually, the GAO estimated a wide range, from $233 billion to $521 billion, and said that upper part of the range was heavily influenced by the pandemic years. The latest GAO data, showing a plunge in improper payments as special pandemic-era programs wound down, raise further doubts about how big ongoing fraud might be. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Key Words: LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman has known Elon Musk for years. Here's what he says Americans don't understand about the Tesla CEO. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It remains a mystery why no one else has noticed the enormous fraud that Musk alleges - not only among the GAO staff and all the inspectors-general across the federal government, but among potential whistleblowers, too. Those exposing $1 trillion in fraud in federal spending would be entitled to hundreds of billions of dollars in rewards. For some bizarre reason, no one seems to have wanted the money. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Brett Arends \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n</p>\n<pre>\n \n</pre>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  March 13, 2025 08:33 ET (12:33 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>New report casts significant doubt on Musk and Trump's government-fraud claims</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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So that leaves Musk about $850 billion short of the $1 trillion savings he promised Fox Business host, and former Trump White House economist, Larry Kudlow on Monday night. \n</p>\n<p>\n     For the purposes of illustration, $850 billion is roughly the size of the entire defense department. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Opinion: Elon Musk says federal fraud is bigger than the entire defense budget. Could that actually be true? \n</p>\n<p>\n     On the positive front, the GAO said its improper-payments report did not include any waste, fraud or abuse in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, the Small Business Administration's Shuttered Venue Operators Grants program, or the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Office of Public and Indian Housing's Tenant-Based Rental Assistance. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's lucky Musk is rocket scientist-adjacent. Maybe one of those people can make his math work. Quantum physics, maybe? \n</p>\n<p>\n     For all of us awaiting Musk's free-money bonanza and the \"DOGE dividend,\" the news gets even worse. \n</p>\n<p>\n     A third of all this excess spending, $54.3 billion, was accounted for by waste, fraud and improperly coded payments in Medicare. \n</p>\n<p>\n     But if that seems like an easy way to cut waste, think again. That figure represents just over 5% of the Medicare budget, which had gross outlays of $1.05 trillion last year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In comparison, the U.S.'s magnificently efficient private-sector health-insurance companies spend about 12% of their revenues on administrative costs in order to minimize waste, fraud and the like. \n</p>\n<p>\n     So, using the private sector as a benchmark, in order to slash that $54 billion in apparent waste and fraud, we would first have to spend ... er ... $120 billion a year on administrative costs instead. \n</p>\n<p>\n     That would leave us $66 billion worse off, costing the average American household an extra $500 a year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     At this rate, the so-called Department of Government Efficiency's \"dividend\" will end up as a cash call. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The GAO report comes shortly after a government investigation raised new questions about the claim made by Musk and President Donald Trump that vast numbers of dead people are receiving Social Security benefits. The Social Security inspector general found that although there were 760,000 \"dead\" people on the Social Security rolls in Idaho, just 86 of them, or 0.011%, had been sent benefit payments after their deaths. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Total savings, by eliminating all 86 of these overpayments, would come to $611,000 a year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Musk continues to assert that the federal government doesn't merely include inefficiencies, waste and even fraud but that the sums involved are enormous and egregious, amounting to the biggest scam in American history. \n</p>\n<p>\n     During the Kudlow interview, the Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> and SpaceX CEO and owner of the social-media platform X, claimed the GAO recently found \"half a trillion dollars\" in annual fraud in federal spending. Actually, the GAO estimated a wide range, from $233 billion to $521 billion, and said that upper part of the range was heavily influenced by the pandemic years. The latest GAO data, showing a plunge in improper payments as special pandemic-era programs wound down, raise further doubts about how big ongoing fraud might be. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Key Words: LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman has known Elon Musk for years. Here's what he says Americans don't understand about the Tesla CEO. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It remains a mystery why no one else has noticed the enormous fraud that Musk alleges - not only among the GAO staff and all the inspectors-general across the federal government, but among potential whistleblowers, too. Those exposing $1 trillion in fraud in federal spending would be entitled to hundreds of billions of dollars in rewards. For some bizarre reason, no one seems to have wanted the money. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Brett Arends \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. 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So that leaves Musk about $850 billion short of the $1 trillion savings he promised Fox Business host, and former Trump White House economist, Larry Kudlow on Monday night. \n\n\n     For the purposes of illustration, $850 billion is roughly the size of the entire defense department. \n\n\n     Opinion: Elon Musk says federal fraud is bigger than the entire defense budget. Could that actually be true? \n\n\n     On the positive front, the GAO said its improper-payments report did not include any waste, fraud or abuse in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, the Small Business Administration's Shuttered Venue Operators Grants program, or the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Office of Public and Indian Housing's Tenant-Based Rental Assistance. \n\n\n     It's lucky Musk is rocket scientist-adjacent. Maybe one of those people can make his math work. Quantum physics, maybe? \n\n\n     For all of us awaiting Musk's free-money bonanza and the \"DOGE dividend,\" the news gets even worse. \n\n\n     A third of all this excess spending, $54.3 billion, was accounted for by waste, fraud and improperly coded payments in Medicare. \n\n\n     But if that seems like an easy way to cut waste, think again. That figure represents just over 5% of the Medicare budget, which had gross outlays of $1.05 trillion last year. \n\n\n     In comparison, the U.S.'s magnificently efficient private-sector health-insurance companies spend about 12% of their revenues on administrative costs in order to minimize waste, fraud and the like. \n\n\n     So, using the private sector as a benchmark, in order to slash that $54 billion in apparent waste and fraud, we would first have to spend ... er ... $120 billion a year on administrative costs instead. \n\n\n     That would leave us $66 billion worse off, costing the average American household an extra $500 a year. \n\n\n     At this rate, the so-called Department of Government Efficiency's \"dividend\" will end up as a cash call. \n\n\n     The GAO report comes shortly after a government investigation raised new questions about the claim made by Musk and President Donald Trump that vast numbers of dead people are receiving Social Security benefits. The Social Security inspector general found that although there were 760,000 \"dead\" people on the Social Security rolls in Idaho, just 86 of them, or 0.011%, had been sent benefit payments after their deaths. \n\n\n     Total savings, by eliminating all 86 of these overpayments, would come to $611,000 a year. \n\n\n     Musk continues to assert that the federal government doesn't merely include inefficiencies, waste and even fraud but that the sums involved are enormous and egregious, amounting to the biggest scam in American history. \n\n\n     During the Kudlow interview, the Tesla $(TSLA)$ and SpaceX CEO and owner of the social-media platform X, claimed the GAO recently found \"half a trillion dollars\" in annual fraud in federal spending. Actually, the GAO estimated a wide range, from $233 billion to $521 billion, and said that upper part of the range was heavily influenced by the pandemic years. The latest GAO data, showing a plunge in improper payments as special pandemic-era programs wound down, raise further doubts about how big ongoing fraud might be. \n\n\n     Key Words: LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman has known Elon Musk for years. Here's what he says Americans don't understand about the Tesla CEO. \n\n\n     It remains a mystery why no one else has noticed the enormous fraud that Musk alleges - not only among the GAO staff and all the inspectors-general across the federal government, but among potential whistleblowers, too. Those exposing $1 trillion in fraud in federal spending would be entitled to hundreds of billions of dollars in rewards. For some bizarre reason, no one seems to have wanted the money. \n\n\n     -Brett Arends \n\n\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones & Co. 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I Predict Its Stock Will Decline by 50% (or More) Instead.","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2518840990","media":"Motley Fool","summary":"Tesla stock hit a record high in December, but it's already down a whopping 44% from that peak.Investors are bullish on future opportunities like the Cybercab and Optimus robot, but it's impossible to ignore the recent declines in electric vehicle sales.Tesla stock is extremely expensive right now, and it could have much further to fall.","content":"<html><body><ul>\n<li>\n<div>\n<svg fill=\"none\" height=\"15\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 15\" width=\"14\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n<path d=\"M14 5.58984C14 2.91016 11.8398 0.75 9.16016 0.75C6.50781 0.777344 4.375 2.91016 4.375 5.5625C4.375 6.10938 4.45703 6.60156 4.59375 7.09375L0.191406 11.4961C0.0546875 11.6328 0 11.7969 0 11.9609V14.0938C0 14.4766 0.273438 14.75 0.65625 14.75H3.71875C4.07422 14.75 4.375 14.4766 4.375 14.0938V13H5.46875C5.82422 13 6.125 12.7266 6.125 12.3438V11.25H7.13672C7.30078 11.25 7.51953 11.168 7.62891 11.0312L8.28516 10.293C8.55859 10.3477 8.85938 10.375 9.1875 10.375C11.8398 10.375 14 8.24219 14 5.58984ZM9.1875 4.25C9.1875 3.53906 9.76172 2.9375 10.5 2.9375C11.2109 2.9375 11.8125 3.53906 11.8125 4.25C11.8125 4.98828 11.2109 5.5625 10.5 5.5625C9.76172 5.5625 9.1875 4.98828 9.1875 4.25Z\" fill=\"#FFB81C\"></path>\n</svg>\n</div>\n<div>Tesla stock hit a record high in December, but it's already down a whopping 44% from that peak.</div>\n</li>\n<li>\n<div>\n<svg fill=\"none\" height=\"15\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 15\" width=\"14\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n<path d=\"M14 5.58984C14 2.91016 11.8398 0.75 9.16016 0.75C6.50781 0.777344 4.375 2.91016 4.375 5.5625C4.375 6.10938 4.45703 6.60156 4.59375 7.09375L0.191406 11.4961C0.0546875 11.6328 0 11.7969 0 11.9609V14.0938C0 14.4766 0.273438 14.75 0.65625 14.75H3.71875C4.07422 14.75 4.375 14.4766 4.375 14.0938V13H5.46875C5.82422 13 6.125 12.7266 6.125 12.3438V11.25H7.13672C7.30078 11.25 7.51953 11.168 7.62891 11.0312L8.28516 10.293C8.55859 10.3477 8.85938 10.375 9.1875 10.375C11.8398 10.375 14 8.24219 14 5.58984ZM9.1875 4.25C9.1875 3.53906 9.76172 2.9375 10.5 2.9375C11.2109 2.9375 11.8125 3.53906 11.8125 4.25C11.8125 4.98828 11.2109 5.5625 10.5 5.5625C9.76172 5.5625 9.1875 4.98828 9.1875 4.25Z\" fill=\"#FFB81C\"></path>\n</svg>\n</div>\n<div>Investors are bullish on future opportunities like the Cybercab and Optimus robot, but it's impossible to ignore the recent declines in electric vehicle sales.</div>\n</li>\n<li>\n<div>\n<svg fill=\"none\" height=\"15\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 15\" width=\"14\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n<path d=\"M14 5.58984C14 2.91016 11.8398 0.75 9.16016 0.75C6.50781 0.777344 4.375 2.91016 4.375 5.5625C4.375 6.10938 4.45703 6.60156 4.59375 7.09375L0.191406 11.4961C0.0546875 11.6328 0 11.7969 0 11.9609V14.0938C0 14.4766 0.273438 14.75 0.65625 14.75H3.71875C4.07422 14.75 4.375 14.4766 4.375 14.0938V13H5.46875C5.82422 13 6.125 12.7266 6.125 12.3438V11.25H7.13672C7.30078 11.25 7.51953 11.168 7.62891 11.0312L8.28516 10.293C8.55859 10.3477 8.85938 10.375 9.1875 10.375C11.8398 10.375 14 8.24219 14 5.58984ZM9.1875 4.25C9.1875 3.53906 9.76172 2.9375 10.5 2.9375C11.2109 2.9375 11.8125 3.53906 11.8125 4.25C11.8125 4.98828 11.2109 5.5625 10.5 5.5625C9.76172 5.5625 9.1875 4.98828 9.1875 4.25Z\" fill=\"#FFB81C\"></path>\n</svg>\n</div>\n<div>Tesla stock is extremely expensive right now, and it could have much further to fall.</div>\n</li>\n</ul><div><p><strong>Tesla</strong> <span>(TSLA<span> -0.30%</span>)</span> stock soared 63% last year, reaching a new all-time high in December, shortly after President Trump's election win. Investors speculated that a friendlier regulatory environment could help the company fast-track its autonomous driving and humanoid robotics technologies, which some Wall Street analysts believe could become trillion-dollar platforms.</p><p>In fact, CEO Elon Musk believes Tesla is on track to become the most valuable company in the world. He even believes there is a possibility it will be worth more than the next five largest companies combined -- today, those five companies would be <strong>Apple</strong>, <strong>Microsoft</strong>, <strong>Nvidia</strong>, <strong>Amazon</strong>, and <strong>Alphabet</strong>, and they have a total market value of $13.4 trillion.</p><p>However, Tesla stock is currently heading in the wrong direction with a 44% drop from its recent peak as of this writing. I don't think it has a legitimate pathway to becoming the world's most valuable company, and here's why I predict it might even lose a further 50% of its value instead.</p><div><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://g.foolcdn.com/image/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fg.foolcdn.com%2Feditorial%2Fimages%2F809877%2Fa-tesla-dealership-with-two-tesla-electric-vehicles-parked-out-front.png&amp;op=resize&amp;w=700\" srcset=\"https://g.foolcdn.com/image/?url=https%3A//g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/809877/a-tesla-dealership-with-two-tesla-electric-vehicles-parked-out-front.png&amp;w=300&amp;op=resize 300w, https://g.foolcdn.com/image/?url=https%3A//g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/809877/a-tesla-dealership-with-two-tesla-electric-vehicles-parked-out-front.png&amp;w=1000&amp;op=resize 1000w, https://g.foolcdn.com/image/?url=https%3A//g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/809877/a-tesla-dealership-with-two-tesla-electric-vehicles-parked-out-front.png&amp;w=2000&amp;op=resize 2000w\"/><p>Image source: Tesla.</p></div><h2>Tesla's core business faces its biggest test ever</h2><p>Despite the potential of its future products, 79% of Tesla's revenue still comes from selling passenger electric vehicles (EVs). There was a time when the company had the entire EV market almost to itself, but competition is now having a serious impact on its sales.</p><p>Up until late 2023, Elon Musk was telling investors that Tesla could grow its production by 50% per year. But deliveries grew only 38% that year, and in 2024, they <em>shrank</em> by 1%. The company can't produce more cars if they aren't selling, and early signs suggest 2025 could be significantly worse.</p><div><div><div></div></div></div><p>In January, Tesla's sales plunged more than 50% year over year in Europe. That included a near-60% drop in Germany, where sales of EVs overall actually <em>grew</em> 53%, suggesting Tesla experienced a severe drop in market share. Tesla's sales also fell 33% in Australia, which highlights how geographically widespread the weakness really is.</p><p>February wasn't much better as Tesla's sales plummeted 48% in Norway, which is one of Europe's biggest markets for EVs. They also fell 26% in France, 42% in Sweden, and 53% in Denmark. While official numbers haven't been published yet for countries like Germany or Spain, Tesla is staring down the barrel of another grim month in sales across Europe. The decline accelerated in Australia, where Tesla sold 71% fewer vehicles than it did in February last year.</p><div></div><p>Consumers appear to be buying cheaper EVs from low-cost producers like China's <strong>BYD</strong>, which sells its Seagull passenger vehicle for under $10,000 in its domestic market. BYD sold <em>twice</em> as many cars in China as Tesla did in January, which was once a critical market for Musk and his team. With the Chinese EV maker now aggressively expanding into Europe, Tesla might find it even more difficult to maintain market share because it simply can't compete on price.</p><div><app :collapse_on_load=\"false\" :instrument_id=\"224257\" :show_benchmark_compare=\"true\" amount_change=\"-0.78\" average_volume=\"86,398,257\" company_name=\"Tesla\" current_price=\"262.67\" daily_high=\"266.25\" daily_low=\"250.73\" default_period=\"FiveYear\" dividend_yield=\"N/A\" exchange=\"NASDAQ\" fifty_two_week_high=\"488.54\" fifty_two_week_low=\"138.80\" gross_margin=\"17.86\" logo=\"https://g.foolcdn.com/art/companylogos/mark/TSLA.png\" market_cap=\"$845B\" pe_ratio=\"128.87\" percent_change=\"-0.30\" symbol=\"TSLA\" volume=\"102,369,640\"></app></div><h2>Elon Musk is betting the farm on autonomous driving and robotics</h2><p>Musk has always been a forward thinker. He believes products like Tesla's full self-driving (FSD) software and Optimus humanoid robot have addressable markets that are orders of magnitude larger than the EV market. As a result, he's steering the company in those directions rather than engaging in a race-to-the-bottom price war with other EV producers.</p><div><div><div></div></div></div><p>Tesla's FSD isn't approved for unsupervised use in the U.S. just yet, but Musk thinks it could go live in Texas and California this year. The company can sell the software to owners of its passenger EVs, but the bigger opportunity lies with its Cybercab robotaxi. It will use FSD to autonomously haul passengers and even make commercial deliveries within a ride-hailing network that Tesla plans to create, potentially earning revenue for the company around the clock.</p><p>Wall Street analyst Dan Ives from Wedbush Securities thinks FSD could add $1 trillion to Tesla's market capitalization over time. Since the company is worth $830 billion as of this writing, that means this product alone could more than double its value. He isn't alone; Cathie Wood's Ark Investment Management thinks Tesla could generate $756 billion in annual revenue from the autonomous ride-hailing business by 2029, paving the way for a staggering $8 trillion valuation.</p><p>Since Tesla generated less than $100 billion in total revenue in 2024, it's hard to believe a segment that doesn't yet exist will produce that much revenue within the next five years, so I'm taking Ark's estimate with a big helping of salt.</p><p>But Musk thinks Optimus might be Tesla's most valuable opportunity ever. In a January conference call with investors, he said the humanoid robot could generate $10 trillion in sales over the long term because it has far more use cases than a car. He believes humanoids will outnumber humans by 2040, so we could find them in every business, factory, and maybe even household.</p><div><div><div></div></div></div><h2>Tesla stock remains wildly overvalued</h2><p>Tesla's earnings per share (EPS) plunged 53% to $2.04 in 2024. Shrinking EV sales were one reason for the decline, but the company also cut prices for most of its cars to shore up demand, which eroded its profit margins.</p><p>Despite the 44% drop in Tesla stock from its all-time high, it still trades at an eye-watering price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 128.6. That makes it significantly more expensive than Apple, Microsoft, Nvidia, Amazon, and Alphabet:</p><p><img src=\"https://media.ycharts.com/charts/7130ab1523719e3383f45fb8b4c9324c.png\"/></p><p>Data by YCharts. PE Ratio = price-to-earnings ratio.</p><p>For Tesla to become more valuable than those five companies combined, as Musk predicts, its stock would have to soar 1,500% from where it trades as of this writing. Given its premium P/E ratio and shrinking earnings, that is simply out of the question in the foreseeable future.</p><div><div><div></div></div></div><p>Products like the Cybercab and Optimus robot aren't expected to reach mass production until 2026 or later, which means Tesla has to rely on its passenger EV sales to carry its business for at least the next year. Given the rate at which deliveries are shrinking in key markets like Europe, I think the company is in for another sharp drop in its earnings in 2025.</p><p>If that proves to be the case, Tesla stock could be facing further downside of 50% or more over the next 12 months. It would have to decline more than 70% just for its P/E ratio to trade in line with Nvidia, which is one of the fastest-growing large-cap companies in the world. Tesla's premium valuation is becoming more difficult to justify by the day.</p><div></div></div></body></html>","source":"fool_stock","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Elon Musk Thinks Tesla Will Become the World's Most Valuable Company. 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I Predict Its Stock Will Decline by 50% (or More) Instead.\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-03-09 17:17 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.fool.com/investing/2025/03/09/elon-musk-tesla-worlds-valuable-stock-decline-50/><strong>Motley Fool</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Tesla stock hit a record high in December, but it's already down a whopping 44% from that peak.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nInvestors are bullish on future opportunities like the Cybercab and Optimus robot, but it's ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.fool.com/investing/2025/03/09/elon-musk-tesla-worlds-valuable-stock-decline-50/\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{},"source_url":"https://www.fool.com/investing/2025/03/09/elon-musk-tesla-worlds-valuable-stock-decline-50/","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2518840990","content_text":"Tesla stock hit a record high in December, but it's already down a whopping 44% from that peak.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nInvestors are bullish on future opportunities like the Cybercab and Optimus robot, but it's impossible to ignore the recent declines in electric vehicle sales.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nTesla stock is extremely expensive right now, and it could have much further to fall.\n\nTesla (TSLA -0.30%) stock soared 63% last year, reaching a new all-time high in December, shortly after President Trump's election win. Investors speculated that a friendlier regulatory environment could help the company fast-track its autonomous driving and humanoid robotics technologies, which some Wall Street analysts believe could become trillion-dollar platforms.In fact, CEO Elon Musk believes Tesla is on track to become the most valuable company in the world. He even believes there is a possibility it will be worth more than the next five largest companies combined -- today, those five companies would be Apple, Microsoft, Nvidia, Amazon, and Alphabet, and they have a total market value of $13.4 trillion.However, Tesla stock is currently heading in the wrong direction with a 44% drop from its recent peak as of this writing. I don't think it has a legitimate pathway to becoming the world's most valuable company, and here's why I predict it might even lose a further 50% of its value instead.Image source: Tesla.Tesla's core business faces its biggest test everDespite the potential of its future products, 79% of Tesla's revenue still comes from selling passenger electric vehicles (EVs). There was a time when the company had the entire EV market almost to itself, but competition is now having a serious impact on its sales.Up until late 2023, Elon Musk was telling investors that Tesla could grow its production by 50% per year. But deliveries grew only 38% that year, and in 2024, they shrank by 1%. The company can't produce more cars if they aren't selling, and early signs suggest 2025 could be significantly worse.In January, Tesla's sales plunged more than 50% year over year in Europe. That included a near-60% drop in Germany, where sales of EVs overall actually grew 53%, suggesting Tesla experienced a severe drop in market share. Tesla's sales also fell 33% in Australia, which highlights how geographically widespread the weakness really is.February wasn't much better as Tesla's sales plummeted 48% in Norway, which is one of Europe's biggest markets for EVs. They also fell 26% in France, 42% in Sweden, and 53% in Denmark. While official numbers haven't been published yet for countries like Germany or Spain, Tesla is staring down the barrel of another grim month in sales across Europe. The decline accelerated in Australia, where Tesla sold 71% fewer vehicles than it did in February last year.Consumers appear to be buying cheaper EVs from low-cost producers like China's BYD, which sells its Seagull passenger vehicle for under $10,000 in its domestic market. BYD sold twice as many cars in China as Tesla did in January, which was once a critical market for Musk and his team. With the Chinese EV maker now aggressively expanding into Europe, Tesla might find it even more difficult to maintain market share because it simply can't compete on price.Elon Musk is betting the farm on autonomous driving and roboticsMusk has always been a forward thinker. He believes products like Tesla's full self-driving (FSD) software and Optimus humanoid robot have addressable markets that are orders of magnitude larger than the EV market. As a result, he's steering the company in those directions rather than engaging in a race-to-the-bottom price war with other EV producers.Tesla's FSD isn't approved for unsupervised use in the U.S. just yet, but Musk thinks it could go live in Texas and California this year. The company can sell the software to owners of its passenger EVs, but the bigger opportunity lies with its Cybercab robotaxi. It will use FSD to autonomously haul passengers and even make commercial deliveries within a ride-hailing network that Tesla plans to create, potentially earning revenue for the company around the clock.Wall Street analyst Dan Ives from Wedbush Securities thinks FSD could add $1 trillion to Tesla's market capitalization over time. Since the company is worth $830 billion as of this writing, that means this product alone could more than double its value. He isn't alone; Cathie Wood's Ark Investment Management thinks Tesla could generate $756 billion in annual revenue from the autonomous ride-hailing business by 2029, paving the way for a staggering $8 trillion valuation.Since Tesla generated less than $100 billion in total revenue in 2024, it's hard to believe a segment that doesn't yet exist will produce that much revenue within the next five years, so I'm taking Ark's estimate with a big helping of salt.But Musk thinks Optimus might be Tesla's most valuable opportunity ever. In a January conference call with investors, he said the humanoid robot could generate $10 trillion in sales over the long term because it has far more use cases than a car. He believes humanoids will outnumber humans by 2040, so we could find them in every business, factory, and maybe even household.Tesla stock remains wildly overvaluedTesla's earnings per share (EPS) plunged 53% to $2.04 in 2024. Shrinking EV sales were one reason for the decline, but the company also cut prices for most of its cars to shore up demand, which eroded its profit margins.Despite the 44% drop in Tesla stock from its all-time high, it still trades at an eye-watering price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 128.6. That makes it significantly more expensive than Apple, Microsoft, Nvidia, Amazon, and Alphabet:Data by YCharts. PE Ratio = price-to-earnings ratio.For Tesla to become more valuable than those five companies combined, as Musk predicts, its stock would have to soar 1,500% from where it trades as of this writing. Given its premium P/E ratio and shrinking earnings, that is simply out of the question in the foreseeable future.Products like the Cybercab and Optimus robot aren't expected to reach mass production until 2026 or later, which means Tesla has to rely on its passenger EV sales to carry its business for at least the next year. Given the rate at which deliveries are shrinking in key markets like Europe, I think the company is in for another sharp drop in its earnings in 2025.If that proves to be the case, Tesla stock could be facing further downside of 50% or more over the next 12 months. It would have to decline more than 70% just for its P/E ratio to trade in line with Nvidia, which is one of the fastest-growing large-cap companies in the world. Tesla's premium valuation is becoming more difficult to justify by the day.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":377,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":411468673688032,"gmtCreate":1741450462828,"gmtModify":1741450466544,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Sour grapes","listText":"Sour grapes","text":"Sour grapes","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/411468673688032","repostId":"2517444091","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2517444091","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1741484674,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2517444091?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-03-09 09:44","market":"nz","language":"en","title":"What Would Tesla Be Worth Without Elon Musk?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2517444091","media":"Fortune","summary":"In the weeks bracketing Donald Trump's victory on Nov. 5, Tesla's stock enjoyed one of the most explosive rides in the annals of publicly traded equities, gaining over 50% and almost half a trillion dollars in valuation in the span of just over a month. That surge reversed four years of poor performance for Tesla's shares as investors soured on the EV maker's weakening fundamentals and CEO Elon Musk's serial promises of fully self-driving cars and an inexpensive mass-market model that proved an ever-receding horizon.Then in October, Musk recharged his stock via a fresh pledge to start producing the long-awaited Tesla Cybercab by mid-2025. And investors reckoned that Musk's newfound, headline-grabbing status as the highest-profile member of the Trump economic team in heading the Department of Government Efficiency , as well as his bromance with his boss, would somehow restore the buzz around Tesla. Musk appeared to be performing a never-before-seen coup in taming the federal bureaucracy","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>In the weeks bracketing Donald Trump&#39;s victory on Nov. 5, Tesla&#39;s stock enjoyed one of the most explosive rides in the annals of publicly traded equities, gaining over 50% and almost half a trillion dollars in valuation in the span of just over a month. That surge reversed four years of poor performance for Tesla&#39;s shares as investors soured on the EV maker&#39;s weakening fundamentals and CEO Elon Musk&#39;s serial promises of fully self-driving cars and an inexpensive mass-market model that proved an ever-receding horizon.</p><p>Then in October, Musk recharged his stock via a fresh pledge to start producing the long-awaited Tesla Cybercab by mid-2025. And investors reckoned that Musk&#39;s newfound, headline-grabbing status as the highest-profile member of the Trump economic team in heading the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), as well as his bromance with his boss, would somehow restore the buzz around Tesla. Musk appeared to be performing a never-before-seen coup in taming the federal bureaucracy. His early wins at the White House reminded folks and funds of the supposedly enduring Musk magic, and renewed belief in his epic vision for the EV giant.</p><p>But in the last 10 weeks, the controversy Musk has unleashed in Europe now that he&#39;s center stage in the Trump administration, especially by backing far-right political parties, as well as terrible news from China, have crushed Tesla&#39;s shares, sending their prices back to where they started the takeoff, and retesting levels at the start of 2021. Put simply, Musk&#39;s failed promises are pushing investors to examine what they&#39;ve long ignored—Tesla&#39;s bedrock value as a super-capital-intensive automaker—and ponder whether Musk&#39;s gauzy promises of things to come remotely justify its still-gigantic market cap.</p><p>In reality, the math dictating the heroics Tesla must perform to deliver good returns from here looks impossible to achieve. So let&#39;s explore the company&#39;s worth as a maker of electric vehicles and batteries and separate out what we&#39;ll call the Musk Magic Premium, the extra market cap awarded for the &#34;forthcoming&#34; ventures Musk has failed to deliver but that still rally hordes of believers.</p><p>We&#39;ll begin by posing arguably the top question in American business: <em>What would Tesla be worth without Elon Musk?</em></p><h2 id=\"id_2936267601\">Calculating Tesla&#39;s worth on what it makes now</h2><p>To answer that question, this writer used conventional guideposts to reach an accurate valuation based on the products and services Tesla currently produces and sells, sans the wonders Musk is predicting. To establish repeatable, durable numbers for earnings, I eliminated special items, notably the $589 million write-up for the Bitcoin trove on Tesla&#39;s books allowed by new accounting rules, and the almost $6 billion tax benefit in Q4 of 2023. I also removed estimated after-tax income from sale of regulatory credits to competing manufacturers, a sideline that Musk acknowledges will disappear, though the rate of decline remains uncertain.</p><p>Using that template, Tesla posted fundamental earnings of $4.2 billion in 2024. To establish a reasonable market cap, we first need to set an appropriate price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio. For the 10 largest automakers outside of China, a group that encompasses Ford and GM in the U.S.; Stellantis, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Volkswagen in Europe; and Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan, and Suzuki in Asia, the average is 6.9; only Nissan beaks double-digits at 15.1. Still, a huge share of Tesla&#39;s sales flows from China, the world&#39;s fastest-growing EV market by far, and the Chinese players sport higher multiples than anywhere else, often 20 or above. So we&#39;ll give Tesla a P/E of 20, which is still three times the norm for carmakers outside the world&#39;s second-biggest economy.</p><p>Multiply $4.2 billion by 20 and you get a market cap of $84 billion. But Tesla&#39;s valuation as of midafternoon on Monday, March 3, stood at $955 billion. Hence it&#39;s selling at 227 times its 2024 underlying profits (the cap of $955 billion divided by profits of $4.2 billion)—and that&#39;s after an historic selloff. Those adjusted earnings, by the way, are less than half the $11 billion, using the same metric, that Tesla recorded in 2022. This vaunted growth juggernaut is actually shrinking as a profitmaker. Investors are baking in tons of extra worth centered on great expectations that Musk will score on robotaxi fleets, and sales of FSV software to existing Tesla owners so they can run their cars like customer-owned Ubers and Lyfts when they&#39;re not driving them. That &#34;Musk Sorcerer&#34; bounty amounts to the difference, a staggering $873 billion (the $955 billion cap minus Tesla&#39;s status quo estimate of $82 billion).</p><p>Of course, Tesla is the riskiest of stocks, as shown by its wildly careening chart since the election. Investors will want at least a 10% annual return to strap themselves in for the lurching ride. Since Tesla doesn&#39;t pay a dividend, reaching that number would require its stock price to double in seven years, from $282 today to around $564. We&#39;ll assume the share count remains at today&#39;s levels. In that scenario, the market cap would wax twofold as well, hitting $1.91 trillion by early 2032.</p><p>Grab a quick Scotch. We need to make another assumption to posit the net profits goal seven years from now, and that&#39;s the &#34;ending&#34; P/E. We&#39;ll put the figure at 30, well above the S&amp;P&#39;s multidecade average, and a mark that would still tag Tesla as a relative tech sprinter even after staging one of the fastest expansions ever witnessed. The earnings bogey for 2023 is thus $64 billion, the $1.91 billion valuation divided by a P/E of 30.</p><h2 id=\"id_3109161511\">Tesla can&#39;t justify its current valuation</h2><p>Reaching the &#34;target&#34; of $64 billion mandates that profits jump 15-fold from today&#39;s $4.2 billion in the seven-year interval. That&#39;s a leap of15 times; Tesla&#39;s after-tax profits would need to increase at a compound rate of 47% per year. If Musk devotees succeed in driving Tesla stock back to anywhere near the all-time peak notched in December, the bar for future profit growth gets even more outrageous and unvaultable. The average annual earnings increases baked in at the pinnacle valuation of $1.57 trillion: 60% a year. The more Musk followers believe, the more impossible the challenge to reward them appears.</p><p>The rub is that just when Tesla needs a booster rocket, its engines are fizzling. Last year, its basic total revenues from carmaking rose just $200 million or 0.2% over 2023, meaning they actually fell over two points adjusted for inflation. And this year has started badly: In January 2024 compared to the same amount last year, revenues tumbled 50% in Europe and 11% in China.</p><p>Musk may succeed in making Tesla a far bigger enterprise by launching fleets of robotaxis to duel Uber and Waymo, and making and selling FSD software to its current owners. But gaining size isn&#39;t enough. It will take both loads of new capital investment and huge returns on each dollar Musk plows into new projects for Tesla to sound the horn. It&#39;s unclear that Tesla can generate sufficient profits on its own to finance Musk&#39;s blueprint. If not, he&#39;ll be forced to sell stock and raise debt. The more outside cash he marshals, the tougher his task becomes: As the share count grows, so does the total earnings above $64 billion needed to multiply the share price 15-fold by 2032, the requirement for handing investors less-than-stupendous annual gains of 10%. Musk must secure the huge rates of return on those investments, funded internally and if necessary externally, to furnish the quicksilver profit ramp built into the share price.</p><p>Therein lies the fantasy. As Musk pours tens of billions into building Tesla-owned robotaxis and obtaining the data-center gear to operate the navigation equipment in the FSV fleets, he&#39;ll face plenty of competition from players developing and deploying AI to prosper in exactly the same futuristic ventures. That competition will compress his margins, and slow the flywheel that he effectively claims will keep spinning: a flow of fabulously profitable products that generate hoards of cash to hatch and make more fabulously profitable products. Musk recently claimed Tesla could hike earnings 10-fold in the next five years. He&#39;s right in auguring what it will take to reward shareholders. He&#39;s just not showing much sign of getting there.</p><p>As Musk flamboyantly attacks &#34;fraud, waste, and abuse&#34; from his perch in the White House, he&#39;s short on showing tangible proof from the plant floors in Austin, Berlin, and Shanghai that he&#39;s mounted a credible plan. America&#39;s &#34;Music Man&#34; is still garnering a huge Musk Magic, Oscar-worthy premium for Tesla&#39;s shares. As Musk attacks the perceived ills of the U.S. economy, Tesla&#39;s woes just keep growing.</p></body></html>","source":"yahoofinance","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>What Would Tesla Be Worth Without Elon Musk?</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nWhat Would Tesla Be Worth Without Elon Musk?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-03-09 09:44 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-worth-without-elon-musk-120000082.html><strong>Fortune</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>In the weeks bracketing Donald Trump's victory on Nov. 5, Tesla's stock enjoyed one of the most explosive rides in the annals of publicly traded equities, gaining over 50% and almost half a trillion ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-worth-without-elon-musk-120000082.html\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{},"source_url":"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-worth-without-elon-musk-120000082.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5f26f4a48f9cb3e29be4d71d3ba8c038","article_id":"2517444091","content_text":"In the weeks bracketing Donald Trump's victory on Nov. 5, Tesla's stock enjoyed one of the most explosive rides in the annals of publicly traded equities, gaining over 50% and almost half a trillion dollars in valuation in the span of just over a month. That surge reversed four years of poor performance for Tesla's shares as investors soured on the EV maker's weakening fundamentals and CEO Elon Musk's serial promises of fully self-driving cars and an inexpensive mass-market model that proved an ever-receding horizon.Then in October, Musk recharged his stock via a fresh pledge to start producing the long-awaited Tesla Cybercab by mid-2025. And investors reckoned that Musk's newfound, headline-grabbing status as the highest-profile member of the Trump economic team in heading the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), as well as his bromance with his boss, would somehow restore the buzz around Tesla. Musk appeared to be performing a never-before-seen coup in taming the federal bureaucracy. His early wins at the White House reminded folks and funds of the supposedly enduring Musk magic, and renewed belief in his epic vision for the EV giant.But in the last 10 weeks, the controversy Musk has unleashed in Europe now that he's center stage in the Trump administration, especially by backing far-right political parties, as well as terrible news from China, have crushed Tesla's shares, sending their prices back to where they started the takeoff, and retesting levels at the start of 2021. Put simply, Musk's failed promises are pushing investors to examine what they've long ignored—Tesla's bedrock value as a super-capital-intensive automaker—and ponder whether Musk's gauzy promises of things to come remotely justify its still-gigantic market cap.In reality, the math dictating the heroics Tesla must perform to deliver good returns from here looks impossible to achieve. So let's explore the company's worth as a maker of electric vehicles and batteries and separate out what we'll call the Musk Magic Premium, the extra market cap awarded for the \"forthcoming\" ventures Musk has failed to deliver but that still rally hordes of believers.We'll begin by posing arguably the top question in American business: What would Tesla be worth without Elon Musk?Calculating Tesla's worth on what it makes nowTo answer that question, this writer used conventional guideposts to reach an accurate valuation based on the products and services Tesla currently produces and sells, sans the wonders Musk is predicting. To establish repeatable, durable numbers for earnings, I eliminated special items, notably the $589 million write-up for the Bitcoin trove on Tesla's books allowed by new accounting rules, and the almost $6 billion tax benefit in Q4 of 2023. I also removed estimated after-tax income from sale of regulatory credits to competing manufacturers, a sideline that Musk acknowledges will disappear, though the rate of decline remains uncertain.Using that template, Tesla posted fundamental earnings of $4.2 billion in 2024. To establish a reasonable market cap, we first need to set an appropriate price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio. For the 10 largest automakers outside of China, a group that encompasses Ford and GM in the U.S.; Stellantis, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Volkswagen in Europe; and Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan, and Suzuki in Asia, the average is 6.9; only Nissan beaks double-digits at 15.1. Still, a huge share of Tesla's sales flows from China, the world's fastest-growing EV market by far, and the Chinese players sport higher multiples than anywhere else, often 20 or above. So we'll give Tesla a P/E of 20, which is still three times the norm for carmakers outside the world's second-biggest economy.Multiply $4.2 billion by 20 and you get a market cap of $84 billion. But Tesla's valuation as of midafternoon on Monday, March 3, stood at $955 billion. Hence it's selling at 227 times its 2024 underlying profits (the cap of $955 billion divided by profits of $4.2 billion)—and that's after an historic selloff. Those adjusted earnings, by the way, are less than half the $11 billion, using the same metric, that Tesla recorded in 2022. This vaunted growth juggernaut is actually shrinking as a profitmaker. Investors are baking in tons of extra worth centered on great expectations that Musk will score on robotaxi fleets, and sales of FSV software to existing Tesla owners so they can run their cars like customer-owned Ubers and Lyfts when they're not driving them. That \"Musk Sorcerer\" bounty amounts to the difference, a staggering $873 billion (the $955 billion cap minus Tesla's status quo estimate of $82 billion).Of course, Tesla is the riskiest of stocks, as shown by its wildly careening chart since the election. Investors will want at least a 10% annual return to strap themselves in for the lurching ride. Since Tesla doesn't pay a dividend, reaching that number would require its stock price to double in seven years, from $282 today to around $564. We'll assume the share count remains at today's levels. In that scenario, the market cap would wax twofold as well, hitting $1.91 trillion by early 2032.Grab a quick Scotch. We need to make another assumption to posit the net profits goal seven years from now, and that's the \"ending\" P/E. We'll put the figure at 30, well above the S&P's multidecade average, and a mark that would still tag Tesla as a relative tech sprinter even after staging one of the fastest expansions ever witnessed. The earnings bogey for 2023 is thus $64 billion, the $1.91 billion valuation divided by a P/E of 30.Tesla can't justify its current valuationReaching the \"target\" of $64 billion mandates that profits jump 15-fold from today's $4.2 billion in the seven-year interval. That's a leap of15 times; Tesla's after-tax profits would need to increase at a compound rate of 47% per year. If Musk devotees succeed in driving Tesla stock back to anywhere near the all-time peak notched in December, the bar for future profit growth gets even more outrageous and unvaultable. The average annual earnings increases baked in at the pinnacle valuation of $1.57 trillion: 60% a year. The more Musk followers believe, the more impossible the challenge to reward them appears.The rub is that just when Tesla needs a booster rocket, its engines are fizzling. Last year, its basic total revenues from carmaking rose just $200 million or 0.2% over 2023, meaning they actually fell over two points adjusted for inflation. And this year has started badly: In January 2024 compared to the same amount last year, revenues tumbled 50% in Europe and 11% in China.Musk may succeed in making Tesla a far bigger enterprise by launching fleets of robotaxis to duel Uber and Waymo, and making and selling FSD software to its current owners. But gaining size isn't enough. It will take both loads of new capital investment and huge returns on each dollar Musk plows into new projects for Tesla to sound the horn. It's unclear that Tesla can generate sufficient profits on its own to finance Musk's blueprint. If not, he'll be forced to sell stock and raise debt. The more outside cash he marshals, the tougher his task becomes: As the share count grows, so does the total earnings above $64 billion needed to multiply the share price 15-fold by 2032, the requirement for handing investors less-than-stupendous annual gains of 10%. Musk must secure the huge rates of return on those investments, funded internally and if necessary externally, to furnish the quicksilver profit ramp built into the share price.Therein lies the fantasy. As Musk pours tens of billions into building Tesla-owned robotaxis and obtaining the data-center gear to operate the navigation equipment in the FSV fleets, he'll face plenty of competition from players developing and deploying AI to prosper in exactly the same futuristic ventures. That competition will compress his margins, and slow the flywheel that he effectively claims will keep spinning: a flow of fabulously profitable products that generate hoards of cash to hatch and make more fabulously profitable products. Musk recently claimed Tesla could hike earnings 10-fold in the next five years. He's right in auguring what it will take to reward shareholders. He's just not showing much sign of getting there.As Musk flamboyantly attacks \"fraud, waste, and abuse\" from his perch in the White House, he's short on showing tangible proof from the plant floors in Austin, Berlin, and Shanghai that he's mounted a credible plan. America's \"Music Man\" is still garnering a huge Musk Magic, Oscar-worthy premium for Tesla's shares. As Musk attacks the perceived ills of the U.S. economy, Tesla's woes just keep growing.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":367,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":409636266873256,"gmtCreate":1741018217085,"gmtModify":1741018220870,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Sour grapes complaining. Red eye","listText":"Sour grapes complaining. Red eye","text":"Sour grapes complaining. Red eye","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/409636266873256","repostId":"2516463732","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2516463732","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1741014042,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2516463732?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-03-03 23:00","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Report Says Elon Musk's Businesses Have Been Awarded $38 Billion In Government Contracts Since 2003. Here's What Taxpayers Are Funding","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2516463732","media":"Benzinga","summary":"A recent Washington Post analysis found that Elon Musk's companies, including Tesla  and SpaceX, have received at least $38 billion in government contracts, loans, subsidies, and tax credits over the past two decades. While Musk has often pushed for cutting government spending, his businesses have benefited enormously from taxpayer money.According to The Post, nearly two-thirds of the funds Musk's businesses received came in just the last five years. In 2024 alone, $6.3 billion in federal and state funds were committed to his ventures, marking a record high.This 12,000 RPM Spinning Battery With Over $100 Million In LOIs Could Be The Missing Link For Green Energy — Here’s Why Early Investors Are Flocking To Invest Before Funding Closes. Over the next few years, Musk’s companies will continue to hold 52 active federal contracts totaling an additional $11.8 billion, with the majority of the financing coming from the DoD and NASA. The actual amount of government funds su","content":"<html><body><img height=\"675\" src=\"https://s1.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/juQdkS31_itxNehT17NdNw--/cT03NTthcHBpZD15dmlkZW9mZWVkczs-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/Benzinga/66f01feb076e9670290ca82cf5e02c49\" width=\"1200\"/>\n<p>A recent Washington Post analysis found that <strong>Elon Musk's</strong> companies, including Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) and <strong>SpaceX</strong>, have received at least $38 billion in government contracts, loans, subsidies, and tax credits over the past two decades. While Musk has often pushed for cutting government spending, his businesses have benefited enormously from taxpayer money.</p>\n<h2>Massive Government Support for Musk's Companies</h2>\n<p>According to The Post, nearly two-thirds of the funds Musk's businesses received came in just the last five years. In 2024 alone, $6.3 billion in federal and state funds were committed to his ventures, marking a record high.</p>\n<p><strong>Don't Miss:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>This 12,000 RPM Spinning Battery With Over $100 Million In LOIs Could Be The Missing Link For Green Energy — Here’s Why Early Investors Are Flocking To Invest Before Funding Closes</strong></li>\n<li><strong>‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. <strong>You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<p>The money primarily came from contracts with NASA and the Department of Defense, which have relied on SpaceX for space exploration and satellite launches. Tesla, on the other hand, has collected $11.4 billion in regulatory credits designed to encourage electric vehicle production.</p>\n<h2>How Tesla and SpaceX Benefited</h2>\n<p>Tesla, which struggled financially in its early years, secured a $465 million low-interest loan from the U.S. Energy Department in 2010. This helped the company launch the Model S and expand production. Musk later repaid the loan ahead of schedule, but government support continued in other ways. Tesla’s ability to sell emissions credits to other automakers played a huge role in making the company profitable. Without these credits, Tesla would have lost $700 million in 2020 instead of reporting an $862 million profit, according to The Post's analysis of Securities and Exchange Commission filings.</p>\n<p><strong><em>See Also: <strong><em>Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'</em></strong></em></strong></p>\n<p>SpaceX, founded in 2002, received early backing from NASA and the Pentagon, which helped fund rocket development. Even before its first successful launch, NASA awarded SpaceX a $278 million contract in 2006. Over the years, the government has continued investing in SpaceX, with NASA alone contributing $14.9 billion for various space missions.</p>\n<h2>Musk's Call to End Subsidies—Except for His Own?</h2>\n<p>Despite benefiting from public funding, Musk has criticized government subsidies, arguing that the electric vehicle tax credit should be eliminated. While Tesla no longer needs the incentive, Musk's competitors do, and experts say his stance could hurt smaller companies trying to enter the EV market.</p>\n<p>Over the next few years, Musk’s companies will continue to hold 52 active federal contracts totaling an additional $11.8 billion, with the majority of the financing coming from the DoD and NASA. The actual amount of government funds supporting Musk’s business endeavors may be substantially greater, though, given a large portion of SpaceX’s defense work is still classified.</p>\n<p><strong>Read Next:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The $1.3 Billion Startup Investment Boom: How This Company's Explosive Growth Is Opening Doors For Everyday Investors With A New $500 Minimum</strong></li>\n<li><strong>Maker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing —<strong> </strong><strong>you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<p>UNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. <strong>Click now to get top trade ideas daily</strong>, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.</p>\n<p>Get the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?</p>\n<ul>\n<li>TESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report</li>\n</ul>\n<p>This article Report Says Elon Musk's Businesses Have Been Awarded $38 Billion In Government Contracts Since 2003. Here's What Taxpayers Are Funding originally appeared on Benzinga.com</p>\n<p><i>© 2025 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. All rights reserved.</i></p></body></html>","source":"yahoofinance","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Report Says Elon Musk's Businesses Have Been Awarded $38 Billion In Government Contracts Since 2003. 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Here's What Taxpayers Are Funding\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-03-03 23:00 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-says-elon-musks-businesses-150042117.html><strong>Benzinga</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>A recent Washington Post analysis found that Elon Musk's companies, including Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) and SpaceX, have received at least $38 billion in government contracts, loans, subsidies, and tax ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-says-elon-musks-businesses-150042117.html\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{},"source_url":"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-says-elon-musks-businesses-150042117.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5f26f4a48f9cb3e29be4d71d3ba8c038","article_id":"2516463732","content_text":"A recent Washington Post analysis found that Elon Musk's companies, including Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) and SpaceX, have received at least $38 billion in government contracts, loans, subsidies, and tax credits over the past two decades. While Musk has often pushed for cutting government spending, his businesses have benefited enormously from taxpayer money.\nMassive Government Support for Musk's Companies\nAccording to The Post, nearly two-thirds of the funds Musk's businesses received came in just the last five years. In 2024 alone, $6.3 billion in federal and state funds were committed to his ventures, marking a record high.\nDon't Miss:\n\nThis 12,000 RPM Spinning Battery With Over $100 Million In LOIs Could Be The Missing Link For Green Energy — Here’s Why Early Investors Are Flocking To Invest Before Funding Closes\n‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.\n\nThe money primarily came from contracts with NASA and the Department of Defense, which have relied on SpaceX for space exploration and satellite launches. Tesla, on the other hand, has collected $11.4 billion in regulatory credits designed to encourage electric vehicle production.\nHow Tesla and SpaceX Benefited\nTesla, which struggled financially in its early years, secured a $465 million low-interest loan from the U.S. Energy Department in 2010. This helped the company launch the Model S and expand production. Musk later repaid the loan ahead of schedule, but government support continued in other ways. Tesla’s ability to sell emissions credits to other automakers played a huge role in making the company profitable. Without these credits, Tesla would have lost $700 million in 2020 instead of reporting an $862 million profit, according to The Post's analysis of Securities and Exchange Commission filings.\nSee Also: Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'\nSpaceX, founded in 2002, received early backing from NASA and the Pentagon, which helped fund rocket development. Even before its first successful launch, NASA awarded SpaceX a $278 million contract in 2006. Over the years, the government has continued investing in SpaceX, with NASA alone contributing $14.9 billion for various space missions.\nMusk's Call to End Subsidies—Except for His Own?\nDespite benefiting from public funding, Musk has criticized government subsidies, arguing that the electric vehicle tax credit should be eliminated. While Tesla no longer needs the incentive, Musk's competitors do, and experts say his stance could hurt smaller companies trying to enter the EV market.\nOver the next few years, Musk’s companies will continue to hold 52 active federal contracts totaling an additional $11.8 billion, with the majority of the financing coming from the DoD and NASA. The actual amount of government funds supporting Musk’s business endeavors may be substantially greater, though, given a large portion of SpaceX’s defense work is still classified.\nRead Next:\n\nThe $1.3 Billion Startup Investment Boom: How This Company's Explosive Growth Is Opening Doors For Everyday Investors With A New $500 Minimum\nMaker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing — you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.\n\nUNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. Click now to get top trade ideas daily, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.\nGet the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?\n\nTESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report\n\nThis article Report Says Elon Musk's Businesses Have Been Awarded $38 Billion In Government Contracts Since 2003. Here's What Taxpayers Are Funding originally appeared on Benzinga.com\n© 2025 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. 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This is called Sour grapes","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/408160580710584","repostId":"2514898953","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2514898953","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1740667523,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2514898953?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-02-27 22:45","market":"us","language":"en","title":"'He's Lining His Pockets'—Rep. Jasmine Crockett Slams Elon Musk For Securing Nearly $1 Billion In US Government Contracts In Just 2 Weeks","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2514898953","media":"Benzinga","summary":"Elon Musk is being criticized by Rep. Jasmine Crockett  for securing about $1 billion in government contracts in just two weeks, claiming that he put his personal financial gain ahead of the interests of the American people. She argues that instead of investing in American workers or improving industries, Musk is focused on accumulating wealth while benefiting from taxpayer dollars.During a recent MSNBC interview, Crockett didn't hold back when discussing Musk's business dealings with the U.S. government. “Elon doesn't want us talking about the fact that he has received almost a billion dollars worth of new contract money from the U.S. government in just two weeks,” she said. “$400 million for Tesla and over $300 million for SpaceX. This is nothing more than a money grab.” She pointed out that while Musk receives government subsidies, he simultaneously pushes narratives that undermine public investment in infrastructure and essential services.Her comments come as Musk continues to secu","content":"<html><body><p><strong>Elon Musk</strong> is being criticized by Rep. <strong>Jasmine Crockett</strong> (D-TX) for securing about $1 billion in government contracts in just two weeks, claiming that he put his personal financial gain ahead of the interests of the American people. She argues that instead of investing in American workers or improving industries, Musk is focused on accumulating wealth while benefiting from taxpayer dollars.</p>\n<p>During a recent MSNBC interview, Crockett didn't hold back when discussing Musk's business dealings with the U.S. government. “Elon doesn't want us talking about the fact that he has received almost a billion dollars worth of new contract money from the U.S. government in just two weeks,” she said. “$400 million for Tesla and over $300 million for <strong>SpaceX</strong>. This is nothing more than a money grab.” She pointed out that while Musk receives government subsidies, he simultaneously pushes narratives that undermine public investment in infrastructure and essential services.</p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">BREAKING: In a stunning moment, Rep. Jasmine Crockett exposes near $1 billion in new contracts for Musk in just 2 weeks: \"This is nothing more than a money grab. He's not out there trying to save money for the American people, he's lining his pockets.\" pic.twitter.com/JBwRmPX40A</p>\n<p>— Really American 🇺🇸 (@ReallyAmerican1) February 19, 2025</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p><strong>Don't Miss:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Deloitte's fastest-growing software company partners with Amazon, Walmart &amp; Target – <strong>Many are rushing to grab 4,000 of its pre-IPO shares for just $0.26/share!</strong></strong></li>\n<li><strong>Maker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing —<strong> </strong><strong>you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<p>Crockett criticized Musk's role in the political and economic landscape, arguing that his growing influence isn't about benefiting taxpayers. “He's not out there trying to save money for the American people. That's not what he's doing. He's lining his pockets.”</p>\n<p>She also criticized Trump's policies, saying they mainly help billionaires while making life harder for regular people. “The only mission that <strong>Donald Trump</strong> has is making sure that he can line his pockets, line Elon's pockets, and any other billionaire—all at our expense.” Important programs like Social Security, Medicare, and financial aid for those in need might be eliminated if these policies persist, she said, making it even more difficult for average people to make ends meet.</p>\n<p><strong><em>See Also: <strong><em>Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'</em></strong></em></strong></p>\n<p>Crockett stressed that Democrats must respond with direct outreach and unambiguous messaging, especially in rural communities that are frequently disregarded. She pointed out that many of these communities rely on government programs that are now at risk. “We have a story for every single person who's not a billionaire in this country, and it's time for us to tell it,” she said. </p>\n<p>Her comments come as Musk continues to secure lucrative federal contracts, despite his outspoken criticism of government spending. Meanwhile, concerns grow over how his ventures, including Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) and SpaceX, benefit from public funds while he promotes deregulation and private-sector dominance. Crockett underscored the contradiction of Musk simultaneously accepting government contracts while advocating for policies that reduce oversight and accountability.</p>\n<p>Crockett's blunt critique highlights an ongoing debate about corporate influence, political favoritism, and the role of billionaires in shaping U.S. policy. She called for greater scrutiny of Musk's dealings and a more aggressive approach to ensuring that public funds benefit everyday Americans rather than the ultra-wealthy.</p>\n<p><strong>Read Next:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>If there was a new fund backed by Jeff Bezos offering a</strong><strong> <strong>7-9% target yield with monthly dividends would you invest in it</strong>?</strong></li>\n<li><strong>‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. <strong>You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<p>UNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. <strong>Click now to get top trade ideas daily</strong>, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.</p>\n<p>Get the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?</p>\n<ul>\n<li>TESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report</li>\n</ul>\n<p>This article 'He's Lining His Pockets'—Rep. Jasmine Crockett Slams Elon Musk For Securing Nearly $1 Billion In US Government Contracts In Just 2 Weeks originally appeared on Benzinga.com</p>\n<p><i>© 2025 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. All rights reserved.</i></p>\n</body></html>","source":"yahoofinance","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>'He's Lining His Pockets'—Rep. 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Jasmine Crockett (D-TX) for securing about $1 billion in government contracts in just two weeks, claiming that he put his personal financial gain ahead of the ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hes-lining-pockets-rep-jasmine-144523963.html\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LU0323591593.USD":"SCHRODER ISF QEP GLOBAL QUALITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1548497426.USD":"安联环球人工智能AT Acc","LU1674673428.USD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL LOWER CARBON EQUITY \"AC\" (USD) ACC","LU1778281490.HKD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL LOWER CARBON EQUITY \"AD\" (HKD) INC","LU1861220033.SGD":"Blackrock Next Generation Technology A2 SGD-H","LU0820561818.USD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金Cl AM DIS","IE0034235303.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US RESEARCH ENHANCED CORE EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1551013425.SGD":"Allianz Income and Growth Cl AMg2 DIS H2-SGD","LU2756315318.SGD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMG\" (SGDHDG) INC A","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU1629891620.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMG2\" (H2-HKD) INC","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","LU1839511570.USD":"WELLS FARGO GLOBAL FACTOR ENHANCED EQUITY \"I\" (USD) ACC","BK4533":"AQR资本管理(全球第二大对冲基金)","LU0053666078.USD":"摩根大通基金-美国股票A（离岸）美元","LU1551013342.USD":"Allianz Income and Growth Cl AMg2 DIS USD","LU1435385759.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity RA SGD-H","LU0082616367.USD":"摩根大通美国科技A（dist）","LU2213496289.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU2250418816.HKD":"BGF WORLD TECHNOLOGY \"A\" (HKD) ACC","LU2360107168.USD":"BGF NEXT GENERATION TECHNOLOGY \"A4\" (USD) INC","LU2290526834.HKD":"BGF NEXT GENERATION TECHNOLOGY \"A2\" (HKDHDG) ACC","LU0719512351.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - US Technology A (acc) SGD","IE00B1XK9C88.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A\" (USD) ACC","IE00BJLML261.HKD":"HSBC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"HCH\" (HKD) ACC","LU0820561909.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AM\" (HKD) INC","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","LU1914381329.SGD":"Allianz Best Styles Global Equity Cl ET Acc H2-SGD","LU2471134952.CNY":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (CNYHDG) INC","TSYW.SI":"TESLA 3xLongSG261006","LU2756315664.SGD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMI\" (SGDHDG) INC","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","LU2750360641.GBP":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (GBPHDG) INC","LU1145028129.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AQ\" (USD) INC","IE00BK4W5M84.HKD":"HSBC GLOBAL FUNDS ICAV US EQUITY INDEX \"HC\" (HKD) ACC","LU0823414478.USD":"法巴经典能源转换基金","BK4516":"特朗普概念","LU1066051498.USD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL EQUITY VOLATILITY FOCUSED \"AM2\" (USD) INC","LU0097036916.USD":"贝莱德美国增长A2 USD","SG9999015978.USD":"利安颠覆性创新基金A","IE00BWXC8680.SGD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A5\" (SGD) ACC","LU2023250330.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMG\" (USD) INC","LU1066053197.SGD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL EQUITY VOLATILITY FOCUSED \"AM3\" (SGDHDG) INC","LU2471134796.USD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (USD) INC","LU0689472784.USD":"安联收益及增长基金Cl AM AT Acc","LU1674673691.USD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL LOWER CARBON EQUITY \"AD\" (USD) INC","LU0466842654.USD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1720051017.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence AT Acc H2-SGD"},"source_url":"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hes-lining-pockets-rep-jasmine-144523963.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5f26f4a48f9cb3e29be4d71d3ba8c038","article_id":"2514898953","content_text":"Elon Musk is being criticized by Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D-TX) for securing about $1 billion in government contracts in just two weeks, claiming that he put his personal financial gain ahead of the interests of the American people. She argues that instead of investing in American workers or improving industries, Musk is focused on accumulating wealth while benefiting from taxpayer dollars.\nDuring a recent MSNBC interview, Crockett didn't hold back when discussing Musk's business dealings with the U.S. government. “Elon doesn't want us talking about the fact that he has received almost a billion dollars worth of new contract money from the U.S. government in just two weeks,” she said. “$400 million for Tesla and over $300 million for SpaceX. This is nothing more than a money grab.” She pointed out that while Musk receives government subsidies, he simultaneously pushes narratives that undermine public investment in infrastructure and essential services.\n\nBREAKING: In a stunning moment, Rep. Jasmine Crockett exposes near $1 billion in new contracts for Musk in just 2 weeks: \"This is nothing more than a money grab. He's not out there trying to save money for the American people, he's lining his pockets.\" pic.twitter.com/JBwRmPX40A\n— Really American 🇺🇸 (@ReallyAmerican1) February 19, 2025\n\nDon't Miss:\n\nDeloitte's fastest-growing software company partners with Amazon, Walmart & Target – Many are rushing to grab 4,000 of its pre-IPO shares for just $0.26/share!\nMaker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing — you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.\n\nCrockett criticized Musk's role in the political and economic landscape, arguing that his growing influence isn't about benefiting taxpayers. “He's not out there trying to save money for the American people. That's not what he's doing. He's lining his pockets.”\nShe also criticized Trump's policies, saying they mainly help billionaires while making life harder for regular people. “The only mission that Donald Trump has is making sure that he can line his pockets, line Elon's pockets, and any other billionaire—all at our expense.” Important programs like Social Security, Medicare, and financial aid for those in need might be eliminated if these policies persist, she said, making it even more difficult for average people to make ends meet.\nSee Also: Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'\nCrockett stressed that Democrats must respond with direct outreach and unambiguous messaging, especially in rural communities that are frequently disregarded. She pointed out that many of these communities rely on government programs that are now at risk. “We have a story for every single person who's not a billionaire in this country, and it's time for us to tell it,” she said. \nHer comments come as Musk continues to secure lucrative federal contracts, despite his outspoken criticism of government spending. Meanwhile, concerns grow over how his ventures, including Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) and SpaceX, benefit from public funds while he promotes deregulation and private-sector dominance. Crockett underscored the contradiction of Musk simultaneously accepting government contracts while advocating for policies that reduce oversight and accountability.\nCrockett's blunt critique highlights an ongoing debate about corporate influence, political favoritism, and the role of billionaires in shaping U.S. policy. She called for greater scrutiny of Musk's dealings and a more aggressive approach to ensuring that public funds benefit everyday Americans rather than the ultra-wealthy.\nRead Next:\n\nIf there was a new fund backed by Jeff Bezos offering a 7-9% target yield with monthly dividends would you invest in it?\n‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.\n\nUNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. Click now to get top trade ideas daily, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.\nGet the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?\n\nTESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report\n\nThis article 'He's Lining His Pockets'—Rep. Jasmine Crockett Slams Elon Musk For Securing Nearly $1 Billion In US Government Contracts In Just 2 Weeks originally appeared on Benzinga.com\n© 2025 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. 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FU","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/407139828285536","repostId":"2514776120","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2514776120","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1740415225,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2514776120?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-02-25 00:40","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla, Inc. (TSLA): A Bear Case Theory","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2514776120","media":"Insider Monkey","summary":"We came across abearish thesison Tesla, Inc.  on Substack by Stefan Waldhauser. In this article, we will summarize the bears’ thesis on TSLA. Tesla, Inc. 's share was trading at $337.80 as of Feb 21st. TSLA’s trailing and forward P/E were 165.59 and 113.64 respectively according to Yahoo Finance.Despite these warning signs, Tesla’s stock remains grossly overvalued. After a 30% decline from its December 2024 high, many investors are promoting a “buy the dip” narrative. However, Tesla’s fundamentals have worsened significantly, with a P/E ratio of 170, a cash flow multiple of 300, and an EV/Sales ratio in the double digits. The stock’s valuation is sustained primarily by retail investors who continue to buy into Musk’s grand vision, believing “this time will be different.”","content":"<html><body><p>We came across a bearish thesis on Tesla, Inc. (TSLA) on Substack by Stefan Waldhauser. In this article, we will summarize the bears’ thesis on TSLA. Tesla, Inc. (TSLA)'s share was trading at $337.80 as of Feb 21<sup>st</sup>. TSLA’s trailing and forward P/E were 165.59 and 113.64 respectively according to Yahoo Finance.</p>\n<img height=\"530\" src=\"https://s1.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/F8GMo1Bkhe5yX5KQbdsnPg--/cT03NTthcHBpZD15dmlkZW9mZWVkczs-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/insidermonkey.com/f4b3c65d4951c7e15d46dea8f9bf20ce\" width=\"800\"/>\n<p>Tesla has long defied skeptics, maintaining an inflated stock price despite concerns about its business fundamentals. For years, the company has relied on Elon Musk’s bold promises—robotaxis, humanoid robots, and AI breakthroughs—to distract from stagnating automotive sales. However, a recent in-depth report by <em>Manager Magazin</em> provides alarming insights into Tesla’s deteriorating position, highlighting growing brand erosion, employee dissatisfaction, and technological shortcomings.</p>\n<p>The report suggests Tesla is at risk of becoming one of the biggest stock market failures in history. Once a feared industry disruptor, the company now risks mirroring Nokia’s downfall in the electric vehicle (EV) revolution. Car dealerships in Germany are witnessing an increasing reluctance among buyers to purchase Teslas, fearing declining resale values. Brand Finance reports Tesla’s brand value has plummeted 26% globally in the past year, falling from ninth to 36th place in global rankings. What was once a luxury brand is now perceived as an everyday car, undermining its pricing power. The much-hyped Cybertruck, which allegedly had a million pre-orders, has seen underwhelming sales of less than 40,000 units so far—figures Musk refuses to disclose transparently.</p>\n<p>Internally, Tesla is struggling to attract and retain top talent. High-level executives are reportedly embarrassed to work for Musk, and a wave of key employee departures is expected in the coming months. Meanwhile, Musk's obsession with AI has led him to divert resources away from Tesla, including critical Nvidia AI chips and key AI personnel to his xAI venture, further weakening Tesla’s competitive edge.</p>\n<p>The much-hyped robotaxi initiative, a key driver of Tesla’s valuation, remains a pipe dream. Despite Musk’s claims, Tesla’s autonomous technology is still “several thousand times” away from reaching the required safety level. While Musk has promised to launch a robotaxi service in Austin by June 2025, industry experts believe he will either delay or resort to questionable tactics. If Tesla attempts a large-scale rollout prematurely, it could result in fatal accidents, drawing severe regulatory backlash.</p>\n<p>Despite these warning signs, Tesla’s stock remains grossly overvalued. After a 30% decline from its December 2024 high, many investors are promoting a “buy the dip” narrative. However, Tesla’s fundamentals have worsened significantly, with a P/E ratio of 170, a cash flow multiple of 300, and an EV/Sales ratio in the double digits. The stock’s valuation is sustained primarily by retail investors who continue to buy into Musk’s grand vision, believing “this time will be different.”</p>\n<p>History suggests otherwise. Sooner or later, a stock’s valuation must align with the company’s real-world performance. Given Tesla’s deteriorating fundamentals and unrealistic growth expectations, a major correction seems inevitable.</p>\n<p>Tesla, Inc. (TSLA) is on our list of the <strong>30 Most <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BPOPN\">Popular</a> Stocks Among Hedge Funds</strong>. As per our database, 126 hedge fund portfolios held TSLA at the end of the third quarter which was 99 in the previous quarter. While we acknowledge the risk and potential of TSLA as an investment, our conviction lies in the belief that some AI stocks hold greater promise for delivering higher returns, and doing so within a shorter timeframe. If you are looking for an AI stock that is more promising than TSLA but that trades at less than 5 times its earnings, check out our report about the <strong>cheapest AI stock</strong>.</p>\n<p><strong>READ NEXT: </strong><strong>8 Best Wide Moat Stocks to Buy Now </strong><strong>and</strong><strong> 30 Most Important AI Stocks According to BlackRock</strong><strong>.</strong></p>\n<p>Disclosure: <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/ERO\">None</a>. 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(TSLA) on Substack by Stefan Waldhauser. In this article, we will summarize the bears’ thesis on TSLA. Tesla, Inc. (TSLA)'s share was trading at $337.80 as of Feb 21st. TSLA’s trailing and forward P/E were 165.59 and 113.64 respectively according to Yahoo Finance.\n\nTesla has long defied skeptics, maintaining an inflated stock price despite concerns about its business fundamentals. For years, the company has relied on Elon Musk’s bold promises—robotaxis, humanoid robots, and AI breakthroughs—to distract from stagnating automotive sales. However, a recent in-depth report by Manager Magazin provides alarming insights into Tesla’s deteriorating position, highlighting growing brand erosion, employee dissatisfaction, and technological shortcomings.\nThe report suggests Tesla is at risk of becoming one of the biggest stock market failures in history. Once a feared industry disruptor, the company now risks mirroring Nokia’s downfall in the electric vehicle (EV) revolution. Car dealerships in Germany are witnessing an increasing reluctance among buyers to purchase Teslas, fearing declining resale values. Brand Finance reports Tesla’s brand value has plummeted 26% globally in the past year, falling from ninth to 36th place in global rankings. What was once a luxury brand is now perceived as an everyday car, undermining its pricing power. The much-hyped Cybertruck, which allegedly had a million pre-orders, has seen underwhelming sales of less than 40,000 units so far—figures Musk refuses to disclose transparently.\nInternally, Tesla is struggling to attract and retain top talent. High-level executives are reportedly embarrassed to work for Musk, and a wave of key employee departures is expected in the coming months. Meanwhile, Musk's obsession with AI has led him to divert resources away from Tesla, including critical Nvidia AI chips and key AI personnel to his xAI venture, further weakening Tesla’s competitive edge.\nThe much-hyped robotaxi initiative, a key driver of Tesla’s valuation, remains a pipe dream. Despite Musk’s claims, Tesla’s autonomous technology is still “several thousand times” away from reaching the required safety level. While Musk has promised to launch a robotaxi service in Austin by June 2025, industry experts believe he will either delay or resort to questionable tactics. If Tesla attempts a large-scale rollout prematurely, it could result in fatal accidents, drawing severe regulatory backlash.\nDespite these warning signs, Tesla’s stock remains grossly overvalued. After a 30% decline from its December 2024 high, many investors are promoting a “buy the dip” narrative. However, Tesla’s fundamentals have worsened significantly, with a P/E ratio of 170, a cash flow multiple of 300, and an EV/Sales ratio in the double digits. The stock’s valuation is sustained primarily by retail investors who continue to buy into Musk’s grand vision, believing “this time will be different.”\nHistory suggests otherwise. Sooner or later, a stock’s valuation must align with the company’s real-world performance. Given Tesla’s deteriorating fundamentals and unrealistic growth expectations, a major correction seems inevitable.\nTesla, Inc. (TSLA) is on our list of the 30 Most Popular Stocks Among Hedge Funds. As per our database, 126 hedge fund portfolios held TSLA at the end of the third quarter which was 99 in the previous quarter. While we acknowledge the risk and potential of TSLA as an investment, our conviction lies in the belief that some AI stocks hold greater promise for delivering higher returns, and doing so within a shorter timeframe. If you are looking for an AI stock that is more promising than TSLA but that trades at less than 5 times its earnings, check out our report about the cheapest AI stock.\nREAD NEXT: 8 Best Wide Moat Stocks to Buy Now and 30 Most Important AI Stocks According to BlackRock.\nDisclosure: None. This article was originally published at Insider Monkey.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":400,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":407110653833544,"gmtCreate":1740410321269,"gmtModify":1740410431310,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Stop stirring shit u mother F. U are obviously a Tesla hater","listText":"Stop stirring shit u mother F. U are obviously a Tesla hater","text":"Stop stirring shit u mother F. U are obviously a Tesla hater","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/407110653833544","repostId":"2513572060","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2513572060","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1740409261,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2513572060?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-02-24 23:01","market":"us","language":"en","title":"'I Like The Cars, It's Musk I Don't Like'—Former Elon Fan Dumps Both Teslas And Cancels Cybertruck Order To Boycott Elon Musk","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2513572060","media":"Benzinga","summary":"Alain Roy loved his Teslas. The Montreal-area resident and longtime fan of the brand enjoyed the high-tech features of his Model Y and Model S. But despite appreciating the cars, he can no longer stand driving them.“It's Musk I don't like,” Roy told Global News.\"That sign was too much for me. I immediately canceled my Cybertruck order, and both my Teslas are up for sale,\" he said.Sheryl Crow also parted ways with her Tesla, waving goodbye to it in an Instagram video while Andrea Bocelli's Time to Say Goodbye played in the background.A recent Electrifying.com poll found that 59% of prospective buyers were discouraged from purchasing a Tesla because of Musk, while 61% of current EV owners said they would consider a Chinese alternative. A poll in the Netherlands reportedly showed out of 26,000 Tesla drivers, 40% of drivers admitted they felt embarrassed to drive one.Protests erupted on Saturday outside Tesla dealerships across the U.S. in response to Musk's alignment with Trump and aggres","content":"<html><body><p><strong>Alain Roy</strong> loved his Teslas. The Montreal-area resident and longtime fan of the brand enjoyed the high-tech features of his Model Y and Model S. But despite appreciating the cars, he can no longer stand driving them.</p>\n<p>“It's Musk I don't like,” Roy told Global News.</p>\n<h2>The Breaking Point</h2>\n<p>The breaking point for Roy came on President <strong>Donald Trump's</strong> inauguration day when <strong>Elon Musk</strong> made a gesture that many interpreted as a Nazi salute. While Musk dismissed the accusations as \"dirty tricks,\" he never outright denied them. For Roy, that was enough.</p>\n<p><strong>Don't Miss:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Deloitte's fastest-growing software company partners with Amazon, Walmart &amp; Target – <strong>Many are rushing to grab 4,000 of its pre-IPO shares for just $0.26/share!</strong></strong></li>\n<li><strong>Many don’t know there are tax benefits when buying a unit as an investment —<strong> </strong><strong>Here’s how to invest in real estate by mirroring BlackRock's big move</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<p>\"That sign was too much for me. I immediately canceled my Cybertruck order, and both my Teslas are up for sale,\" he said.</p>\n<p>Roy had already been growing uneasy with Musk's political shift. Once a fan, he started distancing himself when Musk joined the Trump administration as the apparent head of the Department of Government Efficiency. He was further alarmed by Musk's comments about Canada potentially becoming the 51st U.S. state and Trump's tariff threats.</p>\n<p>And Roy isn't alone. Many Tesla owners, including celebrities, are ditching their vehicles in protest of Musk's political involvement.</p>\n<p><strong>Trending: Maker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing —<strong> </strong><strong>you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.</strong></strong></p>\n<h2>A Growing Tesla Backlash</h2>\n<p><strong>Sheryl Crow</strong> also parted ways with her Tesla, waving goodbye to it in an Instagram video while<strong> Andrea Bocelli</strong>'s Time to Say Goodbye played in the background.</p>\n<p>\"There comes a time when you have to decide who you are willing to align with. So long, Tesla,\" Crow wrote, adding that she donated the money to NPR to support independent journalism, which she claimed was \"under threat by President Musk.\"</p>\n<p>Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) is already facing challenges in the market, with declining sales in Europe, the U.K., and Australia. Competition from Chinese automakers like BYD is growing, and Musk's political moves are adding another layer of controversy.</p>\n<p><strong><em>See Also: <strong><em>Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'</em></strong></em></strong></p>\n<p>A recent Electrifying.com poll found that 59% of prospective buyers were discouraged from purchasing a Tesla because of Musk, while 61% of current EV owners said they would consider a Chinese alternative. A poll in the Netherlands reportedly showed out of 26,000 Tesla drivers, 40% of drivers admitted they felt embarrassed to drive one.</p>\n<h2>Protests at Tesla Dealerships</h2>\n<p>Protests erupted on Saturday outside Tesla dealerships across the U.S. in response to Musk's alignment with Trump and aggressive cost-cutting measures within the federal government. Demonstrators gathered in cities such as New York, Seattle, and Kansas City, holding signs and chanting slogans against Musk's involvement in the administration. Many protesters likened Musk's political stance to authoritarian regimes, a comparison he has denied.</p>\n<p><strong>Read Next:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Are you rich?</strong><strong> Here’s what Americans think you need to be considered wealthy.</strong></li>\n<li><strong>‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. <strong>You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<p>UNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. <strong>Click now to get top trade ideas daily</strong>, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.</p>\n<p>Get the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?</p>\n<ul>\n<li>TESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report</li>\n</ul>\n<p>This article 'I Like The Cars, It's Musk I Don't Like'—Former Elon Fan Dumps Both Teslas And Cancels Cybertruck Order To Boycott Elon Musk originally appeared on Benzinga.com</p>\n<p><i>© 2025 Benzinga.com. 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The Montreal-area resident and longtime fan of the brand enjoyed the high-tech features of his Model Y and Model S. But despite appreciating the cars, he can no longer stand driving them.\n“It's Musk I don't like,” Roy told Global News.\nThe Breaking Point\nThe breaking point for Roy came on President Donald Trump's inauguration day when Elon Musk made a gesture that many interpreted as a Nazi salute. While Musk dismissed the accusations as \"dirty tricks,\" he never outright denied them. For Roy, that was enough.\nDon't Miss:\n\nDeloitte's fastest-growing software company partners with Amazon, Walmart & Target – Many are rushing to grab 4,000 of its pre-IPO shares for just $0.26/share!\nMany don’t know there are tax benefits when buying a unit as an investment — Here’s how to invest in real estate by mirroring BlackRock's big move\n\n\"That sign was too much for me. I immediately canceled my Cybertruck order, and both my Teslas are up for sale,\" he said.\nRoy had already been growing uneasy with Musk's political shift. Once a fan, he started distancing himself when Musk joined the Trump administration as the apparent head of the Department of Government Efficiency. He was further alarmed by Musk's comments about Canada potentially becoming the 51st U.S. state and Trump's tariff threats.\nAnd Roy isn't alone. Many Tesla owners, including celebrities, are ditching their vehicles in protest of Musk's political involvement.\nTrending: Maker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing — you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.\nA Growing Tesla Backlash\nSheryl Crow also parted ways with her Tesla, waving goodbye to it in an Instagram video while Andrea Bocelli's Time to Say Goodbye played in the background.\n\"There comes a time when you have to decide who you are willing to align with. So long, Tesla,\" Crow wrote, adding that she donated the money to NPR to support independent journalism, which she claimed was \"under threat by President Musk.\"\nTesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) is already facing challenges in the market, with declining sales in Europe, the U.K., and Australia. Competition from Chinese automakers like BYD is growing, and Musk's political moves are adding another layer of controversy.\nSee Also: Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'\nA recent Electrifying.com poll found that 59% of prospective buyers were discouraged from purchasing a Tesla because of Musk, while 61% of current EV owners said they would consider a Chinese alternative. A poll in the Netherlands reportedly showed out of 26,000 Tesla drivers, 40% of drivers admitted they felt embarrassed to drive one.\nProtests at Tesla Dealerships\nProtests erupted on Saturday outside Tesla dealerships across the U.S. in response to Musk's alignment with Trump and aggressive cost-cutting measures within the federal government. Demonstrators gathered in cities such as New York, Seattle, and Kansas City, holding signs and chanting slogans against Musk's involvement in the administration. Many protesters likened Musk's political stance to authoritarian regimes, a comparison he has denied.\nRead Next:\n\nAre you rich? Here’s what Americans think you need to be considered wealthy.\n‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.\n\nUNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. Click now to get top trade ideas daily, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.\nGet the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?\n\nTESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report\n\nThis article 'I Like The Cars, It's Musk I Don't Like'—Former Elon Fan Dumps Both Teslas And Cancels Cybertruck Order To Boycott Elon Musk originally appeared on Benzinga.com\n© 2025 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. 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Will it succeed?","content":"<html><body><ul>\n<li>\n<div>\n<svg fill=\"none\" height=\"15\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 15\" width=\"14\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n<path d=\"M14 5.58984C14 2.91016 11.8398 0.75 9.16016 0.75C6.50781 0.777344 4.375 2.91016 4.375 5.5625C4.375 6.10938 4.45703 6.60156 4.59375 7.09375L0.191406 11.4961C0.0546875 11.6328 0 11.7969 0 11.9609V14.0938C0 14.4766 0.273438 14.75 0.65625 14.75H3.71875C4.07422 14.75 4.375 14.4766 4.375 14.0938V13H5.46875C5.82422 13 6.125 12.7266 6.125 12.3438V11.25H7.13672C7.30078 11.25 7.51953 11.168 7.62891 11.0312L8.28516 10.293C8.55859 10.3477 8.85938 10.375 9.1875 10.375C11.8398 10.375 14 8.24219 14 5.58984ZM9.1875 4.25C9.1875 3.53906 9.76172 2.9375 10.5 2.9375C11.2109 2.9375 11.8125 3.53906 11.8125 4.25C11.8125 4.98828 11.2109 5.5625 10.5 5.5625C9.76172 5.5625 9.1875 4.98828 9.1875 4.25Z\" fill=\"#FFB81C\"></path>\n</svg>\n</div>\n<div>Tesla's electric vehicle business is slowing down but expected to return to growth in 2025. </div>\n</li>\n<li>\n<div>\n<svg fill=\"none\" height=\"15\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 15\" width=\"14\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n<path d=\"M14 5.58984C14 2.91016 11.8398 0.75 9.16016 0.75C6.50781 0.777344 4.375 2.91016 4.375 5.5625C4.375 6.10938 4.45703 6.60156 4.59375 7.09375L0.191406 11.4961C0.0546875 11.6328 0 11.7969 0 11.9609V14.0938C0 14.4766 0.273438 14.75 0.65625 14.75H3.71875C4.07422 14.75 4.375 14.4766 4.375 14.0938V13H5.46875C5.82422 13 6.125 12.7266 6.125 12.3438V11.25H7.13672C7.30078 11.25 7.51953 11.168 7.62891 11.0312L8.28516 10.293C8.55859 10.3477 8.85938 10.375 9.1875 10.375C11.8398 10.375 14 8.24219 14 5.58984ZM9.1875 4.25C9.1875 3.53906 9.76172 2.9375 10.5 2.9375C11.2109 2.9375 11.8125 3.53906 11.8125 4.25C11.8125 4.98828 11.2109 5.5625 10.5 5.5625C9.76172 5.5625 9.1875 4.98828 9.1875 4.25Z\" fill=\"#FFB81C\"></path>\n</svg>\n</div>\n<div>It has many new projects it hopes to expand into product lines in the next few years.</div>\n</li>\n<li>\n<div>\n<svg fill=\"none\" height=\"15\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 15\" width=\"14\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n<path d=\"M14 5.58984C14 2.91016 11.8398 0.75 9.16016 0.75C6.50781 0.777344 4.375 2.91016 4.375 5.5625C4.375 6.10938 4.45703 6.60156 4.59375 7.09375L0.191406 11.4961C0.0546875 11.6328 0 11.7969 0 11.9609V14.0938C0 14.4766 0.273438 14.75 0.65625 14.75H3.71875C4.07422 14.75 4.375 14.4766 4.375 14.0938V13H5.46875C5.82422 13 6.125 12.7266 6.125 12.3438V11.25H7.13672C7.30078 11.25 7.51953 11.168 7.62891 11.0312L8.28516 10.293C8.55859 10.3477 8.85938 10.375 9.1875 10.375C11.8398 10.375 14 8.24219 14 5.58984ZM9.1875 4.25C9.1875 3.53906 9.76172 2.9375 10.5 2.9375C11.2109 2.9375 11.8125 3.53906 11.8125 4.25C11.8125 4.98828 11.2109 5.5625 10.5 5.5625C9.76172 5.5625 9.1875 4.98828 9.1875 4.25Z\" fill=\"#FFB81C\"></path>\n</svg>\n</div>\n<div>The stock is trading at an inflated multiple of its trailing free cash flow. </div>\n</li>\n</ul><div><p>Autonomous vehicles and artificial intelligence (AI). Robots. Energy storage. These are the many products promoted by <strong>Tesla</strong> <span>(TSLA<span> -4.68%</span>)</span> to drive future growth for this technology company. Yet, if you look at the financials, the vast majority of this business still revolves around electric vehicles (EVs), and likely will for many years into the future.</p><p>This puts Tesla investors in a tricky situation. On the one hand, CEO Elon Musk is promising rapid growth from these new products such as the Optimus Robot. On the other hand, the EV segment is stagnating and actually saw lower deliveries in 2024 compared to 2023. This is likely why Tesla stock is still below highs set in November 2021.</p><p>Does that make Tesla stock a buy today? Let's dig into the numbers and figure out where this stock may land five years from now.</p><h2>Searching for vehicle delivery growth</h2><p>Tesla's growth in EVs has stagnated. Deliveries to customers grew from 500,000 in 2020 to 1.8 million in 2023, but actually fell to 1.79 million in 2024. This is in spite of the company significantly lowering the average selling prices for new vehicles in order to catalyze demand. EV sales have slowed down in the United States while Tesla's market share of the automotive market has started to move in the wrong direction in the United States, Europe, and China. </p><p>Competitors such as <strong>BYD</strong> are not having this issue. The Chinese EV maker hit a record 4.27 million deliveries in 2024, more than twice Tesla's deliveries. BYD does not sell in the United States but is dominating the Chinese market and moving internationally. Tesla is looking to regain its leadership with an updated Model Y vehicle as well as the Cybertruck, although the Cybertruck does not seem to have caught much of the customer demand that investors expected. </p><div><div><div></div></div></div><p>In 2025, Tesla is guiding for deliveries to grow again, but did not specify how quickly. It will likely be below the 50% annual growth previously promised to investors. Track this metric closely to determine how well Tesla's core business is doing in 2025. </p><div><app :collapse_on_load=\"false\" :instrument_id=\"224257\" :show_benchmark_compare=\"false\" amount_change=\"-16.60\" average_volume=\"80,187,404\" company_name=\"Tesla\" current_price=\"337.80\" daily_high=\"354.98\" daily_low=\"334.42\" default_period=\"OneMonth\" dividend_yield=\"N/A\" exchange=\"NASDAQ\" fifty_two_week_high=\"488.54\" fifty_two_week_low=\"138.80\" gross_margin=\"17.86\" logo=\"https://g.foolcdn.com/art/companylogos/mark/TSLA.png\" market_cap=\"$1.1T\" pe_ratio=\"165.73\" percent_change=\"-4.68\" symbol=\"TSLA\" volume=\"74,058,648\"></app></div><h2>AI, Cybercab, and robots</h2><p>The exciting part about Tesla's business -- and why the stock is up 75% in the past year -- is its promised product pipeline. This includes all the hottest trends of the day. It is currently working on the Cybercab, which is a purpose-built self-driving taxi set to go into production in 2026. If successful, this vehicle could help Tesla compete with Waymo, which is growing its robotaxi network rapidly around the United States.</p><div></div><p>Which leads to Tesla's second big investment: AI and autonomous vehicle software. The company has promised to invest billions of dollars into AI infrastructure and self-driving software technology. This will help improve the value proposition of its vehicles sold to customers while also power the Cybercab for its possibly forthcoming Cybercab taxi network. </p><p>Lastly, we have the Optimus Robot, an ambitious science project and a departure from vehicles and energy generation. It is unclear when this product will come out as it still has many technical developments, but Musk believes it could make Tesla worth $25 trillion someday. </p><div><div><div></div></div></div><p><img src=\"https://media.ycharts.com/charts/ccc0ce869553b38f2c4711e31f16f39f.png\"/></p><p>TSLA Free Cash Flow data by YCharts</p><h2>Beware the dangling carrot</h2><p>All these forthcoming products sound exciting. A $25 trillion opportunity? Wow, Tesla stock could be a great buy today. This is true if you take Tesla and Musk's statements at face value. I think investors should be a tad more skeptical.</p><p>Musk has a long history of dangling a carrot in front of investors, promising future riches. Sometimes, these promises work out. Other times, not so much. Back in 2016, Musk said that Tesla cars would all be self-driving within a few years. That was almost 10 years ago now and still hasn't come to fruition. Investors can have excitement around the potential of AI, the Cybercab, and the Optimus Robot, but don't think these are guaranteed to succeed. </p><p>The problem is, Tesla's stock is priced like they will. It has a market cap of $1.1 trillion and generated just $3.6 billion in free cash flow over the past 12 months. That is a 300 times free cash flow multiple, indicating that investors are pricing in a huge growth in profits over the next five to 10 years. With this in mind, I think it is unlikely that Tesla stock will be much higher five years from now, making it a stock investors should avoid right now.</p><div><div><div></div></div></div><div></div></div></body></html>","source":"fool_stock","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Where Will Tesla Stock Be in 5 Years?</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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Robots. Energy storage. These are the many products promoted by Tesla (TSLA -4.68%) to drive future growth for this technology company. Yet, if you look at the financials, the vast majority of this business still revolves around electric vehicles (EVs), and likely will for many years into the future.This puts Tesla investors in a tricky situation. On the one hand, CEO Elon Musk is promising rapid growth from these new products such as the Optimus Robot. On the other hand, the EV segment is stagnating and actually saw lower deliveries in 2024 compared to 2023. This is likely why Tesla stock is still below highs set in November 2021.Does that make Tesla stock a buy today? Let's dig into the numbers and figure out where this stock may land five years from now.Searching for vehicle delivery growthTesla's growth in EVs has stagnated. Deliveries to customers grew from 500,000 in 2020 to 1.8 million in 2023, but actually fell to 1.79 million in 2024. This is in spite of the company significantly lowering the average selling prices for new vehicles in order to catalyze demand. EV sales have slowed down in the United States while Tesla's market share of the automotive market has started to move in the wrong direction in the United States, Europe, and China. Competitors such as BYD are not having this issue. The Chinese EV maker hit a record 4.27 million deliveries in 2024, more than twice Tesla's deliveries. BYD does not sell in the United States but is dominating the Chinese market and moving internationally. Tesla is looking to regain its leadership with an updated Model Y vehicle as well as the Cybertruck, although the Cybertruck does not seem to have caught much of the customer demand that investors expected. In 2025, Tesla is guiding for deliveries to grow again, but did not specify how quickly. It will likely be below the 50% annual growth previously promised to investors. Track this metric closely to determine how well Tesla's core business is doing in 2025. AI, Cybercab, and robotsThe exciting part about Tesla's business -- and why the stock is up 75% in the past year -- is its promised product pipeline. This includes all the hottest trends of the day. It is currently working on the Cybercab, which is a purpose-built self-driving taxi set to go into production in 2026. If successful, this vehicle could help Tesla compete with Waymo, which is growing its robotaxi network rapidly around the United States.Which leads to Tesla's second big investment: AI and autonomous vehicle software. The company has promised to invest billions of dollars into AI infrastructure and self-driving software technology. This will help improve the value proposition of its vehicles sold to customers while also power the Cybercab for its possibly forthcoming Cybercab taxi network. Lastly, we have the Optimus Robot, an ambitious science project and a departure from vehicles and energy generation. It is unclear when this product will come out as it still has many technical developments, but Musk believes it could make Tesla worth $25 trillion someday. TSLA Free Cash Flow data by YChartsBeware the dangling carrotAll these forthcoming products sound exciting. A $25 trillion opportunity? Wow, Tesla stock could be a great buy today. This is true if you take Tesla and Musk's statements at face value. I think investors should be a tad more skeptical.Musk has a long history of dangling a carrot in front of investors, promising future riches. Sometimes, these promises work out. Other times, not so much. Back in 2016, Musk said that Tesla cars would all be self-driving within a few years. That was almost 10 years ago now and still hasn't come to fruition. Investors can have excitement around the potential of AI, the Cybercab, and the Optimus Robot, but don't think these are guaranteed to succeed. The problem is, Tesla's stock is priced like they will. It has a market cap of $1.1 trillion and generated just $3.6 billion in free cash flow over the past 12 months. That is a 300 times free cash flow multiple, indicating that investors are pricing in a huge growth in profits over the next five to 10 years. With this in mind, I think it is unlikely that Tesla stock will be much higher five years from now, making it a stock investors should avoid right now.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":294,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":406246020956496,"gmtCreate":1740169759518,"gmtModify":1740169763118,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"We already know this news. So FO","listText":"We already know this news. So FO","text":"We already know this news. So FO","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/406246020956496","repostId":"2513214774","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2513214774","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1740168309,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2513214774?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-02-22 04:05","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla Recalls 380,000 Vehicles in U.S. Over Power Steering Issue","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2513214774","media":"GuruFocus.com","summary":"Tesla  is recalling approximately 380,000 vehicles in the United States due to a potential power steering assist failure, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.GuruFocus has detected 3 Warning Signs with AMD.Tesla stock is down 5.5% to $334.69 as of 2:38 p.m. ET on Friday.The recall specifically affects certain 2023 Model 3 cars and Model Y crossovers. The problem comes from outdated programs that could cause an overvoltage breakdown and thereby damage printed circuit board motor driving components.The NHTSA conducted a year-long study based on claims from Tesla owners complaining about steering problems. Should the breakdown happen while the car is in motion, steering remains operational and the driver is visually alerted. But should the automobile halt, the steering assist might fail and stay disabled until movement starts.Although Tesla has found over 3,000 warranty claims linked to the issue, it has not recorded any collisions or injuries connected with th","content":"<html><body><p>Tesla (TSLA, Financials) is recalling approximately 380,000 vehicles in the United States due to a potential power steering assist failure, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.</p>\n<ul>\n<li>Warning! GuruFocus has detected 3 Warning Signs with AMD.</li>\n</ul>\n<p>Tesla stock is down 5.5% to $334.69 as of 2:38 p.m. ET on Friday.</p>\n<p>The recall specifically affects certain 2023 Model 3 cars and Model Y crossovers. The problem comes from outdated programs that could cause an overvoltage breakdown and thereby damage printed circuit board motor driving components.</p>\n<p>The NHTSA conducted a year-long study based on claims from Tesla owners complaining about steering problems. Should the breakdown happen while the car is in motion, steering remains operational and the driver is visually alerted. But should the automobile halt, the steering assist might fail and stay disabled until movement starts.</p>\n<p>Although Tesla has found over 3,000 warranty claims linked to the issue, it has not recorded any collisions or injuries connected with the fault. The corporation is fixing the problem with an over-the-air free software upgrade.</p>\n<p>March 25 will see letters of notice sent to owners of impacted automobiles.</p>This article first appeared on \nGuruFocus.\n<br/></body></html>","source":"yahoofinance","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla Recalls 380,000 Vehicles in U.S. Over Power Steering Issue</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla Recalls 380,000 Vehicles in U.S. Over Power Steering Issue\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-02-22 04:05 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-recalls-380-000-vehicles-200509656.html><strong>GuruFocus.com</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Tesla (TSLA, Financials) is recalling approximately 380,000 vehicles in the United States due to a potential power steering assist failure, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-recalls-380-000-vehicles-200509656.html\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{},"source_url":"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-recalls-380-000-vehicles-200509656.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5f26f4a48f9cb3e29be4d71d3ba8c038","article_id":"2513214774","content_text":"Tesla (TSLA, Financials) is recalling approximately 380,000 vehicles in the United States due to a potential power steering assist failure, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.\n\nWarning! GuruFocus has detected 3 Warning Signs with AMD.\n\nTesla stock is down 5.5% to $334.69 as of 2:38 p.m. ET on Friday.\nThe recall specifically affects certain 2023 Model 3 cars and Model Y crossovers. The problem comes from outdated programs that could cause an overvoltage breakdown and thereby damage printed circuit board motor driving components.\nThe NHTSA conducted a year-long study based on claims from Tesla owners complaining about steering problems. Should the breakdown happen while the car is in motion, steering remains operational and the driver is visually alerted. But should the automobile halt, the steering assist might fail and stay disabled until movement starts.\nAlthough Tesla has found over 3,000 warranty claims linked to the issue, it has not recorded any collisions or injuries connected with the fault. The corporation is fixing the problem with an over-the-air free software upgrade.\nMarch 25 will see letters of notice sent to owners of impacted automobiles.This article first appeared on \nGuruFocus.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":405,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":406063434220000,"gmtCreate":1740164289953,"gmtModify":1740173788782,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"So? Mind yr own F biz","listText":"So? Mind yr own F biz","text":"So? 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The billionaire tech mogul has reportedly been crashing on the floor of his government office, which sits just across from the West Wing of the White House.Since taking on his new role as head of the Department of Government Efficiency under President Donald Trump, Musk has been spending long hours at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building—so long that he's apparently decided to just sleep there.‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.Maker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing — you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.A Republican source told People that Musk has been “holed up” in his government office, sometimes sleeping on the couch and sometimes straight-up on the floor. Not exactly Tesla's  luxury interiors, but Musk ha","content":"<html><body><img height=\"675\" src=\"https://s1.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/gwNodnU07irBho0Zs9NBeA--/cT03NTthcHBpZD15dmlkZW9mZWVkczs-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/Benzinga/8cad0e78692b1000a38eecd14b79365d\" width=\"1200\"/>\n<p><strong>Elon Musk</strong> doesn't just work hard—he <em>sleeps</em> hard. The billionaire tech mogul has reportedly been crashing on the floor of his government office, which sits just across from the West Wing of the White House.</p>\n<p>Since taking on his new role as head of the Department of Government Efficiency under President <strong>Donald Trump</strong>, Musk has been spending long hours at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building—so long that he's apparently decided to just sleep there.</p>\n<p><strong>Don't Miss:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. <strong>You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.</strong></strong></li>\n<li><strong>Maker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing —<strong> </strong><strong>you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<h2>Sleeping In The Office—Again</h2>\n<p>A Republican source told People that Musk has been “holed up” in his government office, sometimes sleeping on the couch and sometimes straight-up on the floor. Not exactly Tesla's (NASDAQ:TSLA)  luxury interiors, but Musk has never been big on comfort.</p>\n<p>It's not the first time Musk has made an office his bedroom. He famously lived in a Tesla factory for three years, sleeping on a couch, under his desk, and even in a tent on the roof. His reasoning back then? Too much work, not enough time to go home.</p>\n<p>Now, history seems to be repeating itself—only this time, instead of a Tesla plant, his makeshift bedroom is in a government building next to Trump's White House.</p>\n<p><strong>Trending: Many don’t know there are tax benefits when buying a unit as an investment —<strong> </strong><strong>Here’s how to invest in real estate by mirroring BlackRock's big move</strong></strong></p>\n<h2>Government Office? More Like A Full-Time Home</h2>\n<p>The EEOB, where Musk has been sleeping, houses various agencies under the Executive Office of the President. It's next to the White House, making it easy for Musk to stay close to Trump.</p>\n<p>And while Musk may not have a bed, the EEOB does have perks. A cafeteria, a gym, and even a bowling alley are available for government employees, so at least he's not starving.</p>\n<p>But Musk isn't the only one spending extra time in the office. His 4-year-old son, <strong>X Æ A-Xii</strong>, has reportedly been around \"quite a bit.\" The toddler even made an appearance at a Feb. 11 Oval Office press conference, standing beside Musk and Trump while making faces at reporters.</p>\n<p><strong><em>See Also: <strong><em>Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'</em></strong></em></strong></p>\n<h2>Mar-a-Lago: Musk's Other \"Home\"</h2>\n<p>When Musk isn't sleeping in his government office, he's reportedly spending time at Mar-a-Lago. People magazine quoted sources as saying he was living at Trump's Florida resort during the presidential transition, helping shape the administration's tech policies.</p>\n<p>One Palm Beach told People last month that Melania Trump was \"glad to have a babysitter for Donald\" while Musk was hanging around.</p>\n<h2>So, Why Is Musk Sleeping There?</h2>\n<p>It's unclear exactly why Musk is choosing to sleep in the EEOB, but given his history, it's likely just about efficiency. If you ask Musk, he'd probably say something like “too much work, no time to leave.”</p>\n<p>The White House has not commented on his sleeping habits. Neither has Musk. But for now, the world's richest man is apparently sleeping on the floor, just a few steps from Trump's White House.</p>\n<p><strong>Read Next:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>If there was a new fund backed by Jeff Bezos offering a</strong><strong> <strong>7-9% target yield with monthly dividends would you invest in it</strong>?</strong></li>\n<li><strong>Inspired by Uber and Airbnb – Deloitte's fastest-growing software company is transforming 7 billion smartphones into income-generating assets – <strong>with $1,000 you can invest at just $0.26/share!</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<p>UNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. <strong>Click now to get top trade ideas daily</strong>, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.</p>\n<p>Get the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?</p>\n<ul>\n<li>TESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report</li>\n</ul>\n<p>This article Elon Musk's New Crash Pad? The Floor Of His Government Office Next To Trump's West Wing originally appeared on Benzinga.com</p>\n<p><i>© 2025 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. All rights reserved.</i></p></body></html>","source":"yahoofinance","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Elon Musk's New Crash Pad? 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The billionaire tech mogul has reportedly been crashing on the floor of his government office, which sits just across from the West Wing of the White House.\nSince taking on his new role as head of the Department of Government Efficiency under President Donald Trump, Musk has been spending long hours at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building—so long that he's apparently decided to just sleep there.\nDon't Miss:\n\n‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.\nMaker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing — you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.\n\nSleeping In The Office—Again\nA Republican source told People that Musk has been “holed up” in his government office, sometimes sleeping on the couch and sometimes straight-up on the floor. Not exactly Tesla's (NASDAQ:TSLA)  luxury interiors, but Musk has never been big on comfort.\nIt's not the first time Musk has made an office his bedroom. He famously lived in a Tesla factory for three years, sleeping on a couch, under his desk, and even in a tent on the roof. His reasoning back then? Too much work, not enough time to go home.\nNow, history seems to be repeating itself—only this time, instead of a Tesla plant, his makeshift bedroom is in a government building next to Trump's White House.\nTrending: Many don’t know there are tax benefits when buying a unit as an investment — Here’s how to invest in real estate by mirroring BlackRock's big move\nGovernment Office? More Like A Full-Time Home\nThe EEOB, where Musk has been sleeping, houses various agencies under the Executive Office of the President. It's next to the White House, making it easy for Musk to stay close to Trump.\nAnd while Musk may not have a bed, the EEOB does have perks. A cafeteria, a gym, and even a bowling alley are available for government employees, so at least he's not starving.\nBut Musk isn't the only one spending extra time in the office. His 4-year-old son, X Æ A-Xii, has reportedly been around \"quite a bit.\" The toddler even made an appearance at a Feb. 11 Oval Office press conference, standing beside Musk and Trump while making faces at reporters.\nSee Also: Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'\nMar-a-Lago: Musk's Other \"Home\"\nWhen Musk isn't sleeping in his government office, he's reportedly spending time at Mar-a-Lago. People magazine quoted sources as saying he was living at Trump's Florida resort during the presidential transition, helping shape the administration's tech policies.\nOne Palm Beach told People last month that Melania Trump was \"glad to have a babysitter for Donald\" while Musk was hanging around.\nSo, Why Is Musk Sleeping There?\nIt's unclear exactly why Musk is choosing to sleep in the EEOB, but given his history, it's likely just about efficiency. If you ask Musk, he'd probably say something like “too much work, no time to leave.”\nThe White House has not commented on his sleeping habits. Neither has Musk. But for now, the world's richest man is apparently sleeping on the floor, just a few steps from Trump's White House.\nRead Next:\n\nIf there was a new fund backed by Jeff Bezos offering a 7-9% target yield with monthly dividends would you invest in it?\nInspired by Uber and Airbnb – Deloitte's fastest-growing software company is transforming 7 billion smartphones into income-generating assets – with $1,000 you can invest at just $0.26/share!\n\nUNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. Click now to get top trade ideas daily, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.\nGet the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?\n\nTESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report\n\nThis article Elon Musk's New Crash Pad? The Floor Of His Government Office Next To Trump's West Wing originally appeared on Benzinga.com\n© 2025 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. All rights reserved.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":298,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":406162273026312,"gmtCreate":1740155885633,"gmtModify":1740156517506,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Sour grape....Go F yrselve","listText":"Sour grape....Go F yrselve","text":"Sour grape....Go F yrselve","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/406162273026312","repostId":"2513975542","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2513975542","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1740154597,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2513975542?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-02-22 00:16","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Can Tesla's Market Leadership Justify Its Stock Price?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2513975542","media":"GuruFocus.com","summary":"Tesla Inc.  is not just an automaker; it's a technology driven innovator reshaping transportation and energy. From leading EV production to advancing autonomy and renewable energy solutions, Tesla has consistently outperformed industry trends. The company's high valuation reflects investor confidence in its ability to sustain growth and expand margins.However, at its current price, the stock offers limited upside for new investors looking for immediate returns. Tesla is best suited for those betting on its long term innovation led strategy and ability to dominate emerging markets.Tesla's Q4 2024 results highlight both its dominance in the EV sector and the challenges that lie ahead. The company posted $25.7 billion in revenue, reflecting a 2% increase from the previous year. While this marks steady growth, the company's pace has slowed compared to earlier years when revenue surged by double digits.The following chart compares Tesla's valuation metrics  with Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto, ","content":"<html><body><p>Tesla Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) is not just an automaker; it's a technology driven innovator reshaping transportation and energy. From leading EV production to advancing autonomy and renewable energy solutions, Tesla has consistently outperformed industry trends. The company's high valuation reflects investor confidence in its ability to sustain growth and expand margins. </p>\n<p>However, at its current price, the stock offers limited upside for new investors looking for immediate returns. Tesla is best suited for those betting on its long term innovation led strategy and ability to dominate emerging markets.</p>\n<h1><strong>Financial Performance: Backing Leadership with Strong Numbers</strong></h1>\n<ul></ul>\n<p>Tesla's Q4 2024 results highlight both its dominance in the EV sector and the challenges that lie ahead. The company posted $25.7 billion in revenue, reflecting a 2% increase from the previous year. While this marks steady growth, the company's pace has slowed compared to earlier years when revenue surged by double digits. </p>\n<p>Although revenue rose, operating income fell to $1.6 billion, as increased R&amp;D spending and competition has forced Tesla to cut price in key markets. However, Tesla reported $2.0 billion in free cash flow, a redirection of dollars to both increase the capabilities of its technology and manufacturing. The following chart illustrates Tesla's revenue growth trend over recent quarters, showing how its revenue expansion has slowed but remains strong:</p>\n<p><img height=\"400\" src=\"https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/4AuEOVPvbMIr.qiMXES19w--/cT03NTthcHBpZD15dmlkZW9mZWVkczs-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/us.finance.gurufocus/fb01f7e9f7a71e93627b979256199256\" width=\"550\"/></p>\n<p>In Q4 20224, Tesla hit its stride with deliveries of 495,570 vehicles, putting it at the top of the production leadership. There's an edge in the company's ability to scale efficiently but it pushes up on margins with price reduction in China and North America. For Tesla to move forward, it will have to find at least a measure of balance between aggressive expansion and profitability. </p>\n<p>The following chart highlights Tesla's dominance in vehicle deliveries compared to Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto</p>\n<p> <img height=\"400\" src=\"https://s1.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/vnpon.jSRNc_98VuXJRVCA--/cT03NTthcHBpZD15dmlkZW9mZWVkczs-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/us.finance.gurufocus/d3fb8d75333eb32916694ee42ac00d95\" width=\"550\"/></p>\n<h1><strong>Tesla's Valuation: Does the Stock Still Have Room to Run? </strong></h1>\n<p>Tesla's valuation continues to be a key concern for investors. The company's price to earnings (P/E) ratio currently stands at 200.3, far exceeding Li Auto's 16.8, signaling that investors have high expectations for Tesla's future growth. Similarly, Tesla's price to sales (P/S) ratio of 12.7 is significantly higher than Rivian's 2.49 and Lucid's 2.9, reflecting the market's confidence in Tesla's ability to expand revenue. </p>\n<p>Tesla's EV/EBITDA of 52.3 is higher than Rivian (-6.9) and Lucid (-4.7) because these two companies have yet to achieve profitability. Li Auto's EV/EBITDA of 24.6 compares relatively well placing the company as a rather cheaper competitor. Tesla's better operating margin means it can afford a higher multiple but also means very little error allowed in implementation. </p>\n<p>The following chart compares Tesla's valuation metrics (P/E Ratio, P/S Ratio, and EV/EBITDA) with Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto, emphasizing Tesla's premium pricing:</p>\n<p> <img height=\"400\" src=\"https://s1.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/5.7LC0wtvfUp2iGHwpjNtQ--/cT03NTthcHBpZD15dmlkZW9mZWVkczs-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/us.finance.gurufocus/44063f3092c879e8a8a963b2071e5dbd\" width=\"550\"/></p>\n<p>Tesla's strength in EVs, artificial intelligence, sustainable energy is reflected in Tesla's stock price but that also means there is very little margin for error. The stock could be subject to a major correction if Elon Musk fails to meet its ambitious targets or defend its current market share. </p>\n<h1><strong>Competition: Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto Closing the Gap</strong></h1>\n<p>Tesla continues to be the leader in EV production, but it no longer operates in an uncontested market. Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto have gained momentum, each presenting unique challenges to Tesla's dominance. </p>\n<p>Rivian has made a name for itself in the adventure and utility EV segment, positioning its vehicles as direct competitors to Tesla's Cybertruck and Model X. While Rivian has built a strong brand, its biggest challenge is scaling production profitably. </p>\n<p>To the contrary, Lucid has opted to attack the high end luxury EV market segment with premium sedans that directly target Tesla's Model S and Model X. Rich buyers have an interest in Lucid, which focuses strongly on battery efficiency and high performance features. However, its high production costs and on going financial struggles might keep it to a short term future. </p>\n<p>Tesla's largest overseas market, China, could be threatened the most immediately by Li Auto. Li Auto has succeeded in appealing to consumers that have kept a watchful eye out for the charging infrastructure. If the company continues growing rapidly in China, Tesla will find it necessary to adjust the pricing to make a profit and there will likely be an impact on global profit margins. </p>\n<p>Even with brand loyalty, economies of scale and first mover advantage, Tesla is still at risk of losing its market share and would need to maintain profit margins and be able to defend its position. </p>\n<h1><strong>Innovation and Growth Drivers </strong> </h1>\n<p>Tesla continues using unique product development strategies coupled with efficiency in business operations. Tesla has previously upgraded its Model 3 range and now Cybertruck in ranking at the higher-end of the market but specifically in a new market segment but their new line addresses need for affordability as well as a high utility vehicle market. The firm plans to capture new markets, and the release of the next generation of efficient vehicles, the EVs, will commence in 2025. </p>\n<p>More than any other competitor in the AI powered mobility solution market, the company's Full Self Driving or FSD software has driven two billion cumulative miles. Improved training capacity in artificial intelligence technology (29k H100 GPUs) helps it to lead in the autonomous environment. With a 30.5% gross margin helping its record bull, Tesla's Megapack and Powerwall systems are still expanding. People all over are demanding sustainable energy as they seek for electricity. The next major profit producer will be Tesla's energy division.</p>\n<p>Moreover, the battery investment like that of the recently developed 4650 cellshelps to reduce prices and improve energy density. Apart from addressing the growing demand of stationary storage energy solutions, this positions Tesla to solve fresh challenges of managing higher production and demand for its vehicles.</p>\n<p>The following chart outlines Tesla's financial performance in Q4 2024, showing key figures like operating income, free cash flow, and margins: </p>\n<p> <img height=\"400\" src=\"https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/bQkg.ppjqTWYWJZ8VIxC1g--/cT03NTthcHBpZD15dmlkZW9mZWVkczs-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/us.finance.gurufocus/6f9db42e72be3a7041dcf5679eddad0d\" width=\"550\"/></p>\n<h1><strong>Challenges and Risks That Could Impact Tesla's Growth </strong></h1>\n<p>Regardless all the foundations of Tesla's stock, there are certain hazards that influence the worth of the business. Trade policy ambiguities and supply chain interruptions remain unresolved issues of major relevance. About 2530% of Tesla's crucial components come from Mexico and China; all but a few of its cars have been built in the United States. </p>\n<p>With a 25% levy on Canadian and Mexican imports and a 10% tariff on Chinese imports, recent USA tariffs could affect manufacturing pricing and cause supply chain delays. Canada has been no less vocal in its discontent with the US, suggesting possible reprisals on Tesla vehicles that might compromise North America sales. </p>\n<p>Macroeconomic issues such as inflation, rising interest rates, and changes in consumer spending might all have an impact on Tesla's growth. If economic conditions worsen, Tesla's ability to retain current valuations might potentially dampen demand for high end EVs. </p>\n<h1><strong>Conclusion:</strong> </h1>\n<p>Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) is the most important firm in the EV market, thanks to a strong brand, cutting-edge technology, and ambitious growth plans. Its great value, however, calls for investors to consider if the present stock price is justified given future expansion. </p>\n<p>Should Tesla keep its technological lead, grow its AI and energy companies, and increase manufacturing, its valuation might be long-lasting. But with rivals Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto getting more competitive, Tesla's capacity to keep profitability while protecting market share will be crucial in the next years. </p>\n<p>Long term investors sure of Tesla's future continue to see the firm to be a strong investment. For those seeking quick profits, meanwhile, Tesla's premium pricing could provide little upward potential until the business exceeds projections. </p>This article first appeared on \nGuruFocus.\n<br/></body></html>","source":"yahoofinance","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Can Tesla's Market Leadership Justify Its Stock Price?</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nCan Tesla's Market Leadership Justify Its Stock Price?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-02-22 00:16 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/teslas-market-leadership-justify-stock-161637246.html><strong>GuruFocus.com</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Tesla Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) is not just an automaker; it's a technology driven innovator reshaping transportation and energy. From leading EV production to advancing autonomy and renewable energy ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/teslas-market-leadership-justify-stock-161637246.html\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{},"source_url":"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/teslas-market-leadership-justify-stock-161637246.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5f26f4a48f9cb3e29be4d71d3ba8c038","article_id":"2513975542","content_text":"Tesla Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) is not just an automaker; it's a technology driven innovator reshaping transportation and energy. From leading EV production to advancing autonomy and renewable energy solutions, Tesla has consistently outperformed industry trends. The company's high valuation reflects investor confidence in its ability to sustain growth and expand margins. \nHowever, at its current price, the stock offers limited upside for new investors looking for immediate returns. Tesla is best suited for those betting on its long term innovation led strategy and ability to dominate emerging markets.\nFinancial Performance: Backing Leadership with Strong Numbers\n\nTesla's Q4 2024 results highlight both its dominance in the EV sector and the challenges that lie ahead. The company posted $25.7 billion in revenue, reflecting a 2% increase from the previous year. While this marks steady growth, the company's pace has slowed compared to earlier years when revenue surged by double digits. \nAlthough revenue rose, operating income fell to $1.6 billion, as increased R&D spending and competition has forced Tesla to cut price in key markets. However, Tesla reported $2.0 billion in free cash flow, a redirection of dollars to both increase the capabilities of its technology and manufacturing. The following chart illustrates Tesla's revenue growth trend over recent quarters, showing how its revenue expansion has slowed but remains strong:\n\nIn Q4 20224, Tesla hit its stride with deliveries of 495,570 vehicles, putting it at the top of the production leadership. There's an edge in the company's ability to scale efficiently but it pushes up on margins with price reduction in China and North America. For Tesla to move forward, it will have to find at least a measure of balance between aggressive expansion and profitability. \nThe following chart highlights Tesla's dominance in vehicle deliveries compared to Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto\n \nTesla's Valuation: Does the Stock Still Have Room to Run? \nTesla's valuation continues to be a key concern for investors. The company's price to earnings (P/E) ratio currently stands at 200.3, far exceeding Li Auto's 16.8, signaling that investors have high expectations for Tesla's future growth. Similarly, Tesla's price to sales (P/S) ratio of 12.7 is significantly higher than Rivian's 2.49 and Lucid's 2.9, reflecting the market's confidence in Tesla's ability to expand revenue. \nTesla's EV/EBITDA of 52.3 is higher than Rivian (-6.9) and Lucid (-4.7) because these two companies have yet to achieve profitability. Li Auto's EV/EBITDA of 24.6 compares relatively well placing the company as a rather cheaper competitor. Tesla's better operating margin means it can afford a higher multiple but also means very little error allowed in implementation. \nThe following chart compares Tesla's valuation metrics (P/E Ratio, P/S Ratio, and EV/EBITDA) with Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto, emphasizing Tesla's premium pricing:\n \nTesla's strength in EVs, artificial intelligence, sustainable energy is reflected in Tesla's stock price but that also means there is very little margin for error. The stock could be subject to a major correction if Elon Musk fails to meet its ambitious targets or defend its current market share. \nCompetition: Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto Closing the Gap\nTesla continues to be the leader in EV production, but it no longer operates in an uncontested market. Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto have gained momentum, each presenting unique challenges to Tesla's dominance. \nRivian has made a name for itself in the adventure and utility EV segment, positioning its vehicles as direct competitors to Tesla's Cybertruck and Model X. While Rivian has built a strong brand, its biggest challenge is scaling production profitably. \nTo the contrary, Lucid has opted to attack the high end luxury EV market segment with premium sedans that directly target Tesla's Model S and Model X. Rich buyers have an interest in Lucid, which focuses strongly on battery efficiency and high performance features. However, its high production costs and on going financial struggles might keep it to a short term future. \nTesla's largest overseas market, China, could be threatened the most immediately by Li Auto. Li Auto has succeeded in appealing to consumers that have kept a watchful eye out for the charging infrastructure. If the company continues growing rapidly in China, Tesla will find it necessary to adjust the pricing to make a profit and there will likely be an impact on global profit margins. \nEven with brand loyalty, economies of scale and first mover advantage, Tesla is still at risk of losing its market share and would need to maintain profit margins and be able to defend its position. \nInnovation and Growth Drivers  \nTesla continues using unique product development strategies coupled with efficiency in business operations. Tesla has previously upgraded its Model 3 range and now Cybertruck in ranking at the higher-end of the market but specifically in a new market segment but their new line addresses need for affordability as well as a high utility vehicle market. The firm plans to capture new markets, and the release of the next generation of efficient vehicles, the EVs, will commence in 2025. \nMore than any other competitor in the AI powered mobility solution market, the company's Full Self Driving or FSD software has driven two billion cumulative miles. Improved training capacity in artificial intelligence technology (29k H100 GPUs) helps it to lead in the autonomous environment. With a 30.5% gross margin helping its record bull, Tesla's Megapack and Powerwall systems are still expanding. People all over are demanding sustainable energy as they seek for electricity. The next major profit producer will be Tesla's energy division.\nMoreover, the battery investment like that of the recently developed 4650 cellshelps to reduce prices and improve energy density. Apart from addressing the growing demand of stationary storage energy solutions, this positions Tesla to solve fresh challenges of managing higher production and demand for its vehicles.\nThe following chart outlines Tesla's financial performance in Q4 2024, showing key figures like operating income, free cash flow, and margins: \n \nChallenges and Risks That Could Impact Tesla's Growth \nRegardless all the foundations of Tesla's stock, there are certain hazards that influence the worth of the business. Trade policy ambiguities and supply chain interruptions remain unresolved issues of major relevance. About 2530% of Tesla's crucial components come from Mexico and China; all but a few of its cars have been built in the United States. \nWith a 25% levy on Canadian and Mexican imports and a 10% tariff on Chinese imports, recent USA tariffs could affect manufacturing pricing and cause supply chain delays. Canada has been no less vocal in its discontent with the US, suggesting possible reprisals on Tesla vehicles that might compromise North America sales. \nMacroeconomic issues such as inflation, rising interest rates, and changes in consumer spending might all have an impact on Tesla's growth. If economic conditions worsen, Tesla's ability to retain current valuations might potentially dampen demand for high end EVs. \nConclusion: \nTesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) is the most important firm in the EV market, thanks to a strong brand, cutting-edge technology, and ambitious growth plans. Its great value, however, calls for investors to consider if the present stock price is justified given future expansion. \nShould Tesla keep its technological lead, grow its AI and energy companies, and increase manufacturing, its valuation might be long-lasting. But with rivals Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto getting more competitive, Tesla's capacity to keep profitability while protecting market share will be crucial in the next years. \nLong term investors sure of Tesla's future continue to see the firm to be a strong investment. For those seeking quick profits, meanwhile, Tesla's premium pricing could provide little upward potential until the business exceeds projections. This article first appeared on \nGuruFocus.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":223,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":405481817989432,"gmtCreate":1740033383244,"gmtModify":1740033386452,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"FU and FO","listText":"FU and FO","text":"FU and FO","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/405481817989432","repostId":"2512609834","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2512609834","kind":"highlight","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Reuters.com brings you the latest news from around the world, covering breaking news in markets, business, politics, entertainment and technology","home_visible":1,"media_name":"Reuters","id":"1032215980","head_image":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/4567337cbdf294b657b1fa87c5488b48"},"pubTimestamp":1740028162,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2512609834?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-02-20 13:09","market":"us","language":"en","title":"BREAKINGVIEWS-Elon Musk is not India’s ideal foreign investor","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2512609834","media":"Reuters","summary":"BREAKINGVIEWS-Elon Musk is not India’s ideal foreign investorThe author is a Reuters Breakingviews columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.By Shritama Bose","content":"<html xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"><head><title>BREAKINGVIEWS-Elon Musk is not India’s ideal foreign investor</title></head><body><p>The author is a Reuters Breakingviews columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.</p><p>By Shritama Bose</p><p>\n<span>MUMBAI, Feb 20 (Reuters Breakingviews)</span><span> - </span>India may get more than it bargained for when it comes to Elon Musk. The Tesla <span>TSLA.O</span> boss' role in the White House might make it easier for him to set the terms of his entry into the world's third-largest car market. But President Donald Trump's aim of cutting the U.S. trade deficit will leave India less leverage to wrangle coveted factory jobs it wants from Musk.</p><p>The electric vehicle maker has identified locations for <span>two stores</span> in India, Reuters reported citing unnamed sources, and is hiring for customer-facing and back-end roles in the country. That has fuelled speculation that Musk's meeting with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi last week may pave the road for Tesla to finally sell cars in the country.</p><p>The biggest deterrence is India's high tariffs on imported vehicles, which New Delhi once hoped would persuade foreign brands to manufacture locally. But the Tesla boss has resisted, probably because local demand for luxury EVs has yet to catch up to China, the company's second most important country by revenue after the United States. </p><p>It's possible that Modi may now consider lowering or dropping the auto tariffs - to please Trump - or carving out exemptions for Tesla. But that would only weaken New Delhi's hand in negotiating with Musk.</p><p>Trump has already remarked that a Tesla factory in India aimed at circumventing local duties would be <span>\"unfair\"</span> to the U.S. Moreover, it's not clear Tesla needs another factory either. The EV maker utilised just three-quarters of its existing production capacity across the U.S., Germany and China in 2024 - down slightly from the year before. That suggests the company expects global demand to slow further. </p><p>The risk to Modi is for him to grant concessions to Musk, only to end up with little more than Tesla showrooms. True, the government has another bargaining chip: Musk's Starlink is awaiting security clearance for a licence to offer satellite broadband services in India. But against the backdrop of Trump's tariff threats, New Delhi should be careful of what it wishes for from the world's richest man.</p><p>Follow @ShritamaBose on X</p><p>CONTEXT NEWS</p><p>U.S. President Donald Trump told Fox News in an interview aired on February 19 that if Tesla were to build a factory in India to circumvent that country's tariffs, it would be \"unfair\" to the United States.</p><p>Tesla has selected locations for two showrooms in New Delhi and Mumbai, moving closer to its long-delayed plans to sell its electric cars in India, Reuters reported on February 18, citing unnamed sources familiar with the matter.</p><p>The electric vehicle maker has posted job ads on professional networking platform LinkedIn for 15 positions across three locations in India since February 18.</p><div><p><span>Graphic: Tesla utilised 75% of its global production capacity in 2024 https://reut.rs/4iow4cH</span></p></div><p> (Additional reporting by Katrina Hamlin. Editing by Robyn Mak and Ujjaini Dutta)</p><p> ((For previous columns by the author, Reuters customers can click on <span>BOSE/</span>shritama.bose@thomsonreuters.com))</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>BREAKINGVIEWS-Elon Musk is not India’s ideal foreign investor</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nBREAKINGVIEWS-Elon Musk is not India’s ideal foreign investor\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<a class=\"head\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/wemedia/1032215980\">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/4567337cbdf294b657b1fa87c5488b48);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Reuters </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-02-20 13:09</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"><head><title>BREAKINGVIEWS-Elon Musk is not India’s ideal foreign investor</title></head><body><p>The author is a Reuters Breakingviews columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.</p><p>By Shritama Bose</p><p>\n<span>MUMBAI, Feb 20 (Reuters Breakingviews)</span><span> - </span>India may get more than it bargained for when it comes to Elon Musk. The Tesla <span>TSLA.O</span> boss' role in the White House might make it easier for him to set the terms of his entry into the world's third-largest car market. But President Donald Trump's aim of cutting the U.S. trade deficit will leave India less leverage to wrangle coveted factory jobs it wants from Musk.</p><p>The electric vehicle maker has identified locations for <span>two stores</span> in India, Reuters reported citing unnamed sources, and is hiring for customer-facing and back-end roles in the country. That has fuelled speculation that Musk's meeting with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi last week may pave the road for Tesla to finally sell cars in the country.</p><p>The biggest deterrence is India's high tariffs on imported vehicles, which New Delhi once hoped would persuade foreign brands to manufacture locally. But the Tesla boss has resisted, probably because local demand for luxury EVs has yet to catch up to China, the company's second most important country by revenue after the United States. </p><p>It's possible that Modi may now consider lowering or dropping the auto tariffs - to please Trump - or carving out exemptions for Tesla. But that would only weaken New Delhi's hand in negotiating with Musk.</p><p>Trump has already remarked that a Tesla factory in India aimed at circumventing local duties would be <span>\"unfair\"</span> to the U.S. Moreover, it's not clear Tesla needs another factory either. The EV maker utilised just three-quarters of its existing production capacity across the U.S., Germany and China in 2024 - down slightly from the year before. That suggests the company expects global demand to slow further. </p><p>The risk to Modi is for him to grant concessions to Musk, only to end up with little more than Tesla showrooms. True, the government has another bargaining chip: Musk's Starlink is awaiting security clearance for a licence to offer satellite broadband services in India. But against the backdrop of Trump's tariff threats, New Delhi should be careful of what it wishes for from the world's richest man.</p><p>Follow @ShritamaBose on X</p><p>CONTEXT NEWS</p><p>U.S. President Donald Trump told Fox News in an interview aired on February 19 that if Tesla were to build a factory in India to circumvent that country's tariffs, it would be \"unfair\" to the United States.</p><p>Tesla has selected locations for two showrooms in New Delhi and Mumbai, moving closer to its long-delayed plans to sell its electric cars in India, Reuters reported on February 18, citing unnamed sources familiar with the matter.</p><p>The electric vehicle maker has posted job ads on professional networking platform LinkedIn for 15 positions across three locations in India since February 18.</p><div><p><span>Graphic: Tesla utilised 75% of its global production capacity in 2024 https://reut.rs/4iow4cH</span></p></div><p> (Additional reporting by Katrina Hamlin. Editing by Robyn Mak and Ujjaini Dutta)</p><p> ((For previous columns by the author, Reuters customers can click on <span>BOSE/</span>shritama.bose@thomsonreuters.com))</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LU1323610961.USD":"UBS (LUX) EQUITY SICAV - LONG TERM THEMES (USD) \"P\" (USD) ACC","LU0472753341.HKD":"SUSTAINABLE GLOBAL THEMATIC PORTFOLIO \"A\" (HKD) ACC","LU2237438978.USD":"Amundi Funds US Pioneer A2 (C) USD","LU0203202063.USD":"AB SICAV I - ALL MARKET INCOME PORTFOLIO \"A2X\" (USD) ACC","LU1582987597.SGD":"M&G (LUX) INCOME ALLOCATION \"A-H\" (SGDHDG) INC","TSYW.SI":"TESLA 3xLongSG261006","BK4581":"高盛持仓","LU0466842654.USD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1935043023.USD":"MANULIFE GF GLOBAL MULTI-ASSET DIVERSIFIED INCOME \"AA\" (USD) INC A","LU1196500208.SGD":"NORDEA STABLE RETURN \"HB\" (SGDHDG) ACC","LU1032466523.USD":"高盛全球多资产收益组合Acc","LU1670711040.USD":"M&G (LUX) GLOBAL DIVIDEND \"A\" (USD) ACC","IE00BQXX3C00.GBP":"GUINNESS GLOBAL INNOVATORS \"C\" (GBP) ACC","LU0106261372.USD":"SCHRODER ISF US LARGE CAP \"A\" ACC","LU1059921491.USD":"NORDEA 1 GLOBAL STABLE EQUITY \"HB\" (USDHDG) ACC","LU1861215975.USD":"贝莱德新一代科技基金 A2","LU0347712357.USD":"BNP PARIBAS GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT \"C\" (USD) ACC","LU0757359368.USD":"SCHRODER ISF GLOBAL MULTI-ASSET INCOME \"A\" (USD)  ACC","LU0095938881.EUR":"JPMorgan Investment Funds - Global Macro Opportunities A (acc) EUR","LU2242649171.HKD":"FIDELITY FUNDS GLOBAL THEMATIC OPPORTUNITIES \"A\" (HKD) ACC","LU0690374615.EUR":"FUNDSMITH EQUITY \"R\" (EUR) ACC","LU0795875169.SGD":"JPMorgan Investment Funds - Global Income A (div) SGD-H","LU1069347547.HKD":"AB SICAV I - GLOBAL VALUE PORTFOLIO \"AD\" (HKD) INC","IE00BDRTCR15.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL DYNAMIC ASSET ALLOCATION \"ADC\" (USD) INC A","LU2247934214.USD":"FIDELITY FUNDS SUSTAINABLE FUTURE CONNECTIVITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","SG9999014914.USD":"UNITED GLOBAL QUALITY GROWTH (USDHDG) INC","LU1119994496.HKD":"FIDELITY WORLD \"A\" (HKD) ACC","LU1435385759.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity RA SGD-H","LU2237443382.USD":"Aberdeen Standard SICAV I - Global Dynamic Dividend A MIncA USD","LU1221951129.SGD":"NORDEA 1 STABLE RETURN \"HM\" (SGDHDG) INC","LU2092937148.SGD":"Blackrock ESG Multi-Asset A8 SGD-H","LU2461242641.AUD":"WELLINGTON US QUALITY GROWTH \"A\" (AUDHDG) ACC","LU1989772840.SGD":"CPR Invest - Climate Action A2 Acc SGD-H","LU2360108059.USD":"BGF CIRCULAR ECONOMY \"A4\" (USD) INC","LU2290526834.HKD":"BGF NEXT GENERATION TECHNOLOGY \"A2\" (HKDHDG) ACC","LU2237443465.HKD":"abrdn SICAV I -  GLOBAL DYNAMIC DIVIDEND \"A\" (HKD) INC","TSLA":"特斯拉","SGXZ81514606.USD":"大华环球创新基金A Acc USD","LU2720916845.USD":"BGF GLOBAL UNCONSTRAINED EQUITY \"A2\" (USD) ACC","LU2065170008.USD":"M&G (LUX) GLOBAL MAXIMA \"A\" (USD) INC","LU1261432733.SGD":"Fidelity World A-ACC-SGD","LU2237443978.SGD":"Aberdeen Standard SICAV I - Global Dynamic Dividend A Acc SGD-H","SG9999002232.USD":"Allianz Global High Payout USD","IE00BYXW3230.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL DYNAMIC ASSET ALLOCATION \"AA\" (USD) ACC","LU0158827781.USD":" ALLIANZ GLOBAL SUSTAINABILITY \"AT\" (USD) ACC","LU0234572021.USD":"高盛美国核心股票组合Acc","LU0171293334.USD":"贝莱德英国基金A2","LU1868837136.USD":"CT (LUX) I AMERICAN \"8\" (USD) ACC"},"source_url":"https://api.refinitiv.com/data/news/v1/stories/urn:newsml:reuters.com:20250220:nL5N3PB053:1","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2512609834","content_text":"BREAKINGVIEWS-Elon Musk is not India’s ideal foreign investorThe author is a Reuters Breakingviews columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.By Shritama Bose\nMUMBAI, Feb 20 (Reuters Breakingviews) - India may get more than it bargained for when it comes to Elon Musk. The Tesla TSLA.O boss' role in the White House might make it easier for him to set the terms of his entry into the world's third-largest car market. But President Donald Trump's aim of cutting the U.S. trade deficit will leave India less leverage to wrangle coveted factory jobs it wants from Musk.The electric vehicle maker has identified locations for two stores in India, Reuters reported citing unnamed sources, and is hiring for customer-facing and back-end roles in the country. That has fuelled speculation that Musk's meeting with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi last week may pave the road for Tesla to finally sell cars in the country.The biggest deterrence is India's high tariffs on imported vehicles, which New Delhi once hoped would persuade foreign brands to manufacture locally. But the Tesla boss has resisted, probably because local demand for luxury EVs has yet to catch up to China, the company's second most important country by revenue after the United States. It's possible that Modi may now consider lowering or dropping the auto tariffs - to please Trump - or carving out exemptions for Tesla. But that would only weaken New Delhi's hand in negotiating with Musk.Trump has already remarked that a Tesla factory in India aimed at circumventing local duties would be \"unfair\" to the U.S. Moreover, it's not clear Tesla needs another factory either. The EV maker utilised just three-quarters of its existing production capacity across the U.S., Germany and China in 2024 - down slightly from the year before. That suggests the company expects global demand to slow further. The risk to Modi is for him to grant concessions to Musk, only to end up with little more than Tesla showrooms. True, the government has another bargaining chip: Musk's Starlink is awaiting security clearance for a licence to offer satellite broadband services in India. But against the backdrop of Trump's tariff threats, New Delhi should be careful of what it wishes for from the world's richest man.Follow @ShritamaBose on XCONTEXT NEWSU.S. President Donald Trump told Fox News in an interview aired on February 19 that if Tesla were to build a factory in India to circumvent that country's tariffs, it would be \"unfair\" to the United States.Tesla has selected locations for two showrooms in New Delhi and Mumbai, moving closer to its long-delayed plans to sell its electric cars in India, Reuters reported on February 18, citing unnamed sources familiar with the matter.The electric vehicle maker has posted job ads on professional networking platform LinkedIn for 15 positions across three locations in India since February 18.Graphic: Tesla utilised 75% of its global production capacity in 2024 https://reut.rs/4iow4cH (Additional reporting by Katrina Hamlin. Editing by Robyn Mak and Ujjaini Dutta) ((For previous columns by the author, Reuters customers can click on BOSE/shritama.bose@thomsonreuters.com))","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":223,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"hots":[{"id":395023325676024,"gmtCreate":1737451526590,"gmtModify":1737451530400,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"So many sour grapes around...trying hard to talk down Tesla","listText":"So many sour grapes around...trying hard to talk down Tesla","text":"So many sour grapes around...trying hard to talk down Tesla","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":6,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/395023325676024","repostId":"1189909655","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":672,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":407139828285536,"gmtCreate":1740417252381,"gmtModify":1740418738504,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Pls try harder....F shorty. 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U are obviously a Tesla hater","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/407110653833544","repostId":"2513572060","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2513572060","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1740409261,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2513572060?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-02-24 23:01","market":"us","language":"en","title":"'I Like The Cars, It's Musk I Don't Like'—Former Elon Fan Dumps Both Teslas And Cancels Cybertruck Order To Boycott Elon Musk","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2513572060","media":"Benzinga","summary":"Alain Roy loved his Teslas. The Montreal-area resident and longtime fan of the brand enjoyed the high-tech features of his Model Y and Model S. But despite appreciating the cars, he can no longer stand driving them.“It's Musk I don't like,” Roy told Global News.\"That sign was too much for me. I immediately canceled my Cybertruck order, and both my Teslas are up for sale,\" he said.Sheryl Crow also parted ways with her Tesla, waving goodbye to it in an Instagram video while Andrea Bocelli's Time to Say Goodbye played in the background.A recent Electrifying.com poll found that 59% of prospective buyers were discouraged from purchasing a Tesla because of Musk, while 61% of current EV owners said they would consider a Chinese alternative. A poll in the Netherlands reportedly showed out of 26,000 Tesla drivers, 40% of drivers admitted they felt embarrassed to drive one.Protests erupted on Saturday outside Tesla dealerships across the U.S. in response to Musk's alignment with Trump and aggres","content":"<html><body><p><strong>Alain Roy</strong> loved his Teslas. The Montreal-area resident and longtime fan of the brand enjoyed the high-tech features of his Model Y and Model S. But despite appreciating the cars, he can no longer stand driving them.</p>\n<p>“It's Musk I don't like,” Roy told Global News.</p>\n<h2>The Breaking Point</h2>\n<p>The breaking point for Roy came on President <strong>Donald Trump's</strong> inauguration day when <strong>Elon Musk</strong> made a gesture that many interpreted as a Nazi salute. While Musk dismissed the accusations as \"dirty tricks,\" he never outright denied them. For Roy, that was enough.</p>\n<p><strong>Don't Miss:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Deloitte's fastest-growing software company partners with Amazon, Walmart &amp; Target – <strong>Many are rushing to grab 4,000 of its pre-IPO shares for just $0.26/share!</strong></strong></li>\n<li><strong>Many don’t know there are tax benefits when buying a unit as an investment —<strong> </strong><strong>Here’s how to invest in real estate by mirroring BlackRock's big move</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<p>\"That sign was too much for me. I immediately canceled my Cybertruck order, and both my Teslas are up for sale,\" he said.</p>\n<p>Roy had already been growing uneasy with Musk's political shift. Once a fan, he started distancing himself when Musk joined the Trump administration as the apparent head of the Department of Government Efficiency. He was further alarmed by Musk's comments about Canada potentially becoming the 51st U.S. state and Trump's tariff threats.</p>\n<p>And Roy isn't alone. Many Tesla owners, including celebrities, are ditching their vehicles in protest of Musk's political involvement.</p>\n<p><strong>Trending: Maker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing —<strong> </strong><strong>you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.</strong></strong></p>\n<h2>A Growing Tesla Backlash</h2>\n<p><strong>Sheryl Crow</strong> also parted ways with her Tesla, waving goodbye to it in an Instagram video while<strong> Andrea Bocelli</strong>'s Time to Say Goodbye played in the background.</p>\n<p>\"There comes a time when you have to decide who you are willing to align with. So long, Tesla,\" Crow wrote, adding that she donated the money to NPR to support independent journalism, which she claimed was \"under threat by President Musk.\"</p>\n<p>Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) is already facing challenges in the market, with declining sales in Europe, the U.K., and Australia. Competition from Chinese automakers like BYD is growing, and Musk's political moves are adding another layer of controversy.</p>\n<p><strong><em>See Also: <strong><em>Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'</em></strong></em></strong></p>\n<p>A recent Electrifying.com poll found that 59% of prospective buyers were discouraged from purchasing a Tesla because of Musk, while 61% of current EV owners said they would consider a Chinese alternative. A poll in the Netherlands reportedly showed out of 26,000 Tesla drivers, 40% of drivers admitted they felt embarrassed to drive one.</p>\n<h2>Protests at Tesla Dealerships</h2>\n<p>Protests erupted on Saturday outside Tesla dealerships across the U.S. in response to Musk's alignment with Trump and aggressive cost-cutting measures within the federal government. Demonstrators gathered in cities such as New York, Seattle, and Kansas City, holding signs and chanting slogans against Musk's involvement in the administration. Many protesters likened Musk's political stance to authoritarian regimes, a comparison he has denied.</p>\n<p><strong>Read Next:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Are you rich?</strong><strong> Here’s what Americans think you need to be considered wealthy.</strong></li>\n<li><strong>‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. <strong>You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<p>UNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. <strong>Click now to get top trade ideas daily</strong>, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.</p>\n<p>Get the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?</p>\n<ul>\n<li>TESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report</li>\n</ul>\n<p>This article 'I Like The Cars, It's Musk I Don't Like'—Former Elon Fan Dumps Both Teslas And Cancels Cybertruck Order To Boycott Elon Musk originally appeared on Benzinga.com</p>\n<p><i>© 2025 Benzinga.com. 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The Montreal-area resident and longtime fan of the brand enjoyed the high-tech features of his Model Y and Model S. But despite appreciating the cars, he can no longer ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cars-musk-dont-former-elon-150101088.html\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LU0053666078.USD":"摩根大通基金-美国股票A（离岸）美元","LU0823411888.USD":"法巴消费创新基金 Cap","LU1435385759.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity RA SGD-H","LU2213496289.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU2360106780.USD":"BGF WORLD TECHNOLOGY \"A4\" (USD) INC","LU2290526834.HKD":"BGF NEXT GENERATION TECHNOLOGY \"A2\" (HKDHDG) ACC","LU0719512351.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - US Technology A (acc) SGD","IE00B1XK9C88.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0964807845.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME & GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","TSYW.SI":"TESLA 3xLongSG261006","IE00BJLML261.HKD":"HSBC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"HCH\" (HKD) ACC","BK4588":"碎股","LU1914381329.SGD":"Allianz Best Styles Global Equity Cl ET Acc H2-SGD","LU0820562030.AUD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMH2\" (AUDHDG) H2 INC","LU2063271972.USD":"富兰克林创新领域基金","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","SG9999015945.SGD":"LionGlobal Disruptive Innovation Fund A SGD","IE00BK4W5L77.USD":"HSBC GLOBAL FUNDS ICAV US EQUITY INDEX \"HC\" (USD) ACC","SG9999015986.USD":"LIONGLOBAL DISRUPTIVE INNOVATION \"I\" (USD) ACC","IE00BWXC8680.SGD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A5\" (SGD) ACC","LU2471134879.HKD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (HKD) INC","LU0823414478.USD":"法巴经典能源转换基金","LU1145028129.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AQ\" (USD) INC","LU1066051498.USD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL EQUITY VOLATILITY FOCUSED \"AM2\" (USD) INC","BK4581":"高盛持仓","LU2471134523.USD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (USD) ACC","SG9999015978.USD":"利安颠覆性创新基金A","LU2326559502.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity P/A SGD-H","LU0345769128.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1720051017.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence AT Acc H2-SGD","BK4099":"汽车制造商","LU1852331112.SGD":"Blackrock World Technology Fund A2 SGD-H","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares","LU0198837287.USD":"UBS (LUX) EQUITY SICAV - USA GROWTH \"P\" (USD) ACC","LU0323591593.USD":"SCHRODER ISF QEP GLOBAL QUALITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","BK4511":"特斯拉概念","LU2750360641.GBP":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (GBPHDG) INC","LU0316494557.USD":"FRANKLIN GLOBAL FUNDAMENTAL STRATEGIES \"A\" ACC","LU1861558580.USD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B","LU1861220033.SGD":"Blackrock Next Generation Technology A2 SGD-H","BK4598":"佩洛西持仓","TSLA":"特斯拉","BK4516":"特朗普概念","LU0345770993.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL STRATEGIC EQUITY \"A\" (USD) INC","LU2756315318.SGD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMG\" (SGDHDG) INC A","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","LU1720051108.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","BK4534":"瑞士信贷持仓"},"source_url":"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cars-musk-dont-former-elon-150101088.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5f26f4a48f9cb3e29be4d71d3ba8c038","article_id":"2513572060","content_text":"Alain Roy loved his Teslas. The Montreal-area resident and longtime fan of the brand enjoyed the high-tech features of his Model Y and Model S. But despite appreciating the cars, he can no longer stand driving them.\n“It's Musk I don't like,” Roy told Global News.\nThe Breaking Point\nThe breaking point for Roy came on President Donald Trump's inauguration day when Elon Musk made a gesture that many interpreted as a Nazi salute. While Musk dismissed the accusations as \"dirty tricks,\" he never outright denied them. For Roy, that was enough.\nDon't Miss:\n\nDeloitte's fastest-growing software company partners with Amazon, Walmart & Target – Many are rushing to grab 4,000 of its pre-IPO shares for just $0.26/share!\nMany don’t know there are tax benefits when buying a unit as an investment — Here’s how to invest in real estate by mirroring BlackRock's big move\n\n\"That sign was too much for me. I immediately canceled my Cybertruck order, and both my Teslas are up for sale,\" he said.\nRoy had already been growing uneasy with Musk's political shift. Once a fan, he started distancing himself when Musk joined the Trump administration as the apparent head of the Department of Government Efficiency. He was further alarmed by Musk's comments about Canada potentially becoming the 51st U.S. state and Trump's tariff threats.\nAnd Roy isn't alone. Many Tesla owners, including celebrities, are ditching their vehicles in protest of Musk's political involvement.\nTrending: Maker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing — you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.\nA Growing Tesla Backlash\nSheryl Crow also parted ways with her Tesla, waving goodbye to it in an Instagram video while Andrea Bocelli's Time to Say Goodbye played in the background.\n\"There comes a time when you have to decide who you are willing to align with. So long, Tesla,\" Crow wrote, adding that she donated the money to NPR to support independent journalism, which she claimed was \"under threat by President Musk.\"\nTesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) is already facing challenges in the market, with declining sales in Europe, the U.K., and Australia. Competition from Chinese automakers like BYD is growing, and Musk's political moves are adding another layer of controversy.\nSee Also: Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'\nA recent Electrifying.com poll found that 59% of prospective buyers were discouraged from purchasing a Tesla because of Musk, while 61% of current EV owners said they would consider a Chinese alternative. A poll in the Netherlands reportedly showed out of 26,000 Tesla drivers, 40% of drivers admitted they felt embarrassed to drive one.\nProtests at Tesla Dealerships\nProtests erupted on Saturday outside Tesla dealerships across the U.S. in response to Musk's alignment with Trump and aggressive cost-cutting measures within the federal government. Demonstrators gathered in cities such as New York, Seattle, and Kansas City, holding signs and chanting slogans against Musk's involvement in the administration. Many protesters likened Musk's political stance to authoritarian regimes, a comparison he has denied.\nRead Next:\n\nAre you rich? Here’s what Americans think you need to be considered wealthy.\n‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.\n\nUNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. Click now to get top trade ideas daily, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.\nGet the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?\n\nTESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report\n\nThis article 'I Like The Cars, It's Musk I Don't Like'—Former Elon Fan Dumps Both Teslas And Cancels Cybertruck Order To Boycott Elon Musk originally appeared on Benzinga.com\n© 2025 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. 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The problem comes from outdated programs that could cause an overvoltage breakdown and thereby damage printed circuit board motor driving components.The NHTSA conducted a year-long study based on claims from Tesla owners complaining about steering problems. Should the breakdown happen while the car is in motion, steering remains operational and the driver is visually alerted. But should the automobile halt, the steering assist might fail and stay disabled until movement starts.Although Tesla has found over 3,000 warranty claims linked to the issue, it has not recorded any collisions or injuries connected with th","content":"<html><body><p>Tesla (TSLA, Financials) is recalling approximately 380,000 vehicles in the United States due to a potential power steering assist failure, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.</p>\n<ul>\n<li>Warning! GuruFocus has detected 3 Warning Signs with AMD.</li>\n</ul>\n<p>Tesla stock is down 5.5% to $334.69 as of 2:38 p.m. ET on Friday.</p>\n<p>The recall specifically affects certain 2023 Model 3 cars and Model Y crossovers. The problem comes from outdated programs that could cause an overvoltage breakdown and thereby damage printed circuit board motor driving components.</p>\n<p>The NHTSA conducted a year-long study based on claims from Tesla owners complaining about steering problems. Should the breakdown happen while the car is in motion, steering remains operational and the driver is visually alerted. But should the automobile halt, the steering assist might fail and stay disabled until movement starts.</p>\n<p>Although Tesla has found over 3,000 warranty claims linked to the issue, it has not recorded any collisions or injuries connected with the fault. The corporation is fixing the problem with an over-the-air free software upgrade.</p>\n<p>March 25 will see letters of notice sent to owners of impacted automobiles.</p>This article first appeared on \nGuruFocus.\n<br/></body></html>","source":"yahoofinance","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla Recalls 380,000 Vehicles in U.S. Over Power Steering Issue</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla Recalls 380,000 Vehicles in U.S. Over Power Steering Issue\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-02-22 04:05 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-recalls-380-000-vehicles-200509656.html><strong>GuruFocus.com</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Tesla (TSLA, Financials) is recalling approximately 380,000 vehicles in the United States due to a potential power steering assist failure, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-recalls-380-000-vehicles-200509656.html\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{},"source_url":"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-recalls-380-000-vehicles-200509656.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5f26f4a48f9cb3e29be4d71d3ba8c038","article_id":"2513214774","content_text":"Tesla (TSLA, Financials) is recalling approximately 380,000 vehicles in the United States due to a potential power steering assist failure, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.\n\nWarning! GuruFocus has detected 3 Warning Signs with AMD.\n\nTesla stock is down 5.5% to $334.69 as of 2:38 p.m. ET on Friday.\nThe recall specifically affects certain 2023 Model 3 cars and Model Y crossovers. The problem comes from outdated programs that could cause an overvoltage breakdown and thereby damage printed circuit board motor driving components.\nThe NHTSA conducted a year-long study based on claims from Tesla owners complaining about steering problems. Should the breakdown happen while the car is in motion, steering remains operational and the driver is visually alerted. But should the automobile halt, the steering assist might fail and stay disabled until movement starts.\nAlthough Tesla has found over 3,000 warranty claims linked to the issue, it has not recorded any collisions or injuries connected with the fault. 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From leading EV production to advancing autonomy and renewable energy solutions, Tesla has consistently outperformed industry trends. The company's high valuation reflects investor confidence in its ability to sustain growth and expand margins.However, at its current price, the stock offers limited upside for new investors looking for immediate returns. Tesla is best suited for those betting on its long term innovation led strategy and ability to dominate emerging markets.Tesla's Q4 2024 results highlight both its dominance in the EV sector and the challenges that lie ahead. The company posted $25.7 billion in revenue, reflecting a 2% increase from the previous year. While this marks steady growth, the company's pace has slowed compared to earlier years when revenue surged by double digits.The following chart compares Tesla's valuation metrics  with Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto, ","content":"<html><body><p>Tesla Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) is not just an automaker; it's a technology driven innovator reshaping transportation and energy. From leading EV production to advancing autonomy and renewable energy solutions, Tesla has consistently outperformed industry trends. The company's high valuation reflects investor confidence in its ability to sustain growth and expand margins. </p>\n<p>However, at its current price, the stock offers limited upside for new investors looking for immediate returns. Tesla is best suited for those betting on its long term innovation led strategy and ability to dominate emerging markets.</p>\n<h1><strong>Financial Performance: Backing Leadership with Strong Numbers</strong></h1>\n<ul></ul>\n<p>Tesla's Q4 2024 results highlight both its dominance in the EV sector and the challenges that lie ahead. The company posted $25.7 billion in revenue, reflecting a 2% increase from the previous year. While this marks steady growth, the company's pace has slowed compared to earlier years when revenue surged by double digits. </p>\n<p>Although revenue rose, operating income fell to $1.6 billion, as increased R&amp;D spending and competition has forced Tesla to cut price in key markets. However, Tesla reported $2.0 billion in free cash flow, a redirection of dollars to both increase the capabilities of its technology and manufacturing. The following chart illustrates Tesla's revenue growth trend over recent quarters, showing how its revenue expansion has slowed but remains strong:</p>\n<p><img height=\"400\" src=\"https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/4AuEOVPvbMIr.qiMXES19w--/cT03NTthcHBpZD15dmlkZW9mZWVkczs-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/us.finance.gurufocus/fb01f7e9f7a71e93627b979256199256\" width=\"550\"/></p>\n<p>In Q4 20224, Tesla hit its stride with deliveries of 495,570 vehicles, putting it at the top of the production leadership. There's an edge in the company's ability to scale efficiently but it pushes up on margins with price reduction in China and North America. For Tesla to move forward, it will have to find at least a measure of balance between aggressive expansion and profitability. </p>\n<p>The following chart highlights Tesla's dominance in vehicle deliveries compared to Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto</p>\n<p> <img height=\"400\" src=\"https://s1.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/vnpon.jSRNc_98VuXJRVCA--/cT03NTthcHBpZD15dmlkZW9mZWVkczs-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/us.finance.gurufocus/d3fb8d75333eb32916694ee42ac00d95\" width=\"550\"/></p>\n<h1><strong>Tesla's Valuation: Does the Stock Still Have Room to Run? </strong></h1>\n<p>Tesla's valuation continues to be a key concern for investors. The company's price to earnings (P/E) ratio currently stands at 200.3, far exceeding Li Auto's 16.8, signaling that investors have high expectations for Tesla's future growth. Similarly, Tesla's price to sales (P/S) ratio of 12.7 is significantly higher than Rivian's 2.49 and Lucid's 2.9, reflecting the market's confidence in Tesla's ability to expand revenue. </p>\n<p>Tesla's EV/EBITDA of 52.3 is higher than Rivian (-6.9) and Lucid (-4.7) because these two companies have yet to achieve profitability. Li Auto's EV/EBITDA of 24.6 compares relatively well placing the company as a rather cheaper competitor. Tesla's better operating margin means it can afford a higher multiple but also means very little error allowed in implementation. </p>\n<p>The following chart compares Tesla's valuation metrics (P/E Ratio, P/S Ratio, and EV/EBITDA) with Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto, emphasizing Tesla's premium pricing:</p>\n<p> <img height=\"400\" src=\"https://s1.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/5.7LC0wtvfUp2iGHwpjNtQ--/cT03NTthcHBpZD15dmlkZW9mZWVkczs-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/us.finance.gurufocus/44063f3092c879e8a8a963b2071e5dbd\" width=\"550\"/></p>\n<p>Tesla's strength in EVs, artificial intelligence, sustainable energy is reflected in Tesla's stock price but that also means there is very little margin for error. The stock could be subject to a major correction if Elon Musk fails to meet its ambitious targets or defend its current market share. </p>\n<h1><strong>Competition: Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto Closing the Gap</strong></h1>\n<p>Tesla continues to be the leader in EV production, but it no longer operates in an uncontested market. Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto have gained momentum, each presenting unique challenges to Tesla's dominance. </p>\n<p>Rivian has made a name for itself in the adventure and utility EV segment, positioning its vehicles as direct competitors to Tesla's Cybertruck and Model X. While Rivian has built a strong brand, its biggest challenge is scaling production profitably. </p>\n<p>To the contrary, Lucid has opted to attack the high end luxury EV market segment with premium sedans that directly target Tesla's Model S and Model X. Rich buyers have an interest in Lucid, which focuses strongly on battery efficiency and high performance features. However, its high production costs and on going financial struggles might keep it to a short term future. </p>\n<p>Tesla's largest overseas market, China, could be threatened the most immediately by Li Auto. Li Auto has succeeded in appealing to consumers that have kept a watchful eye out for the charging infrastructure. If the company continues growing rapidly in China, Tesla will find it necessary to adjust the pricing to make a profit and there will likely be an impact on global profit margins. </p>\n<p>Even with brand loyalty, economies of scale and first mover advantage, Tesla is still at risk of losing its market share and would need to maintain profit margins and be able to defend its position. </p>\n<h1><strong>Innovation and Growth Drivers </strong> </h1>\n<p>Tesla continues using unique product development strategies coupled with efficiency in business operations. Tesla has previously upgraded its Model 3 range and now Cybertruck in ranking at the higher-end of the market but specifically in a new market segment but their new line addresses need for affordability as well as a high utility vehicle market. The firm plans to capture new markets, and the release of the next generation of efficient vehicles, the EVs, will commence in 2025. </p>\n<p>More than any other competitor in the AI powered mobility solution market, the company's Full Self Driving or FSD software has driven two billion cumulative miles. Improved training capacity in artificial intelligence technology (29k H100 GPUs) helps it to lead in the autonomous environment. With a 30.5% gross margin helping its record bull, Tesla's Megapack and Powerwall systems are still expanding. People all over are demanding sustainable energy as they seek for electricity. The next major profit producer will be Tesla's energy division.</p>\n<p>Moreover, the battery investment like that of the recently developed 4650 cellshelps to reduce prices and improve energy density. Apart from addressing the growing demand of stationary storage energy solutions, this positions Tesla to solve fresh challenges of managing higher production and demand for its vehicles.</p>\n<p>The following chart outlines Tesla's financial performance in Q4 2024, showing key figures like operating income, free cash flow, and margins: </p>\n<p> <img height=\"400\" src=\"https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/bQkg.ppjqTWYWJZ8VIxC1g--/cT03NTthcHBpZD15dmlkZW9mZWVkczs-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/us.finance.gurufocus/6f9db42e72be3a7041dcf5679eddad0d\" width=\"550\"/></p>\n<h1><strong>Challenges and Risks That Could Impact Tesla's Growth </strong></h1>\n<p>Regardless all the foundations of Tesla's stock, there are certain hazards that influence the worth of the business. Trade policy ambiguities and supply chain interruptions remain unresolved issues of major relevance. About 2530% of Tesla's crucial components come from Mexico and China; all but a few of its cars have been built in the United States. </p>\n<p>With a 25% levy on Canadian and Mexican imports and a 10% tariff on Chinese imports, recent USA tariffs could affect manufacturing pricing and cause supply chain delays. Canada has been no less vocal in its discontent with the US, suggesting possible reprisals on Tesla vehicles that might compromise North America sales. </p>\n<p>Macroeconomic issues such as inflation, rising interest rates, and changes in consumer spending might all have an impact on Tesla's growth. If economic conditions worsen, Tesla's ability to retain current valuations might potentially dampen demand for high end EVs. </p>\n<h1><strong>Conclusion:</strong> </h1>\n<p>Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) is the most important firm in the EV market, thanks to a strong brand, cutting-edge technology, and ambitious growth plans. Its great value, however, calls for investors to consider if the present stock price is justified given future expansion. </p>\n<p>Should Tesla keep its technological lead, grow its AI and energy companies, and increase manufacturing, its valuation might be long-lasting. But with rivals Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto getting more competitive, Tesla's capacity to keep profitability while protecting market share will be crucial in the next years. </p>\n<p>Long term investors sure of Tesla's future continue to see the firm to be a strong investment. For those seeking quick profits, meanwhile, Tesla's premium pricing could provide little upward potential until the business exceeds projections. </p>This article first appeared on \nGuruFocus.\n<br/></body></html>","source":"yahoofinance","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Can Tesla's Market Leadership Justify Its Stock Price?</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nCan Tesla's Market Leadership Justify Its Stock Price?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-02-22 00:16 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/teslas-market-leadership-justify-stock-161637246.html><strong>GuruFocus.com</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Tesla Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) is not just an automaker; it's a technology driven innovator reshaping transportation and energy. From leading EV production to advancing autonomy and renewable energy ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/teslas-market-leadership-justify-stock-161637246.html\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{},"source_url":"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/teslas-market-leadership-justify-stock-161637246.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5f26f4a48f9cb3e29be4d71d3ba8c038","article_id":"2513975542","content_text":"Tesla Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) is not just an automaker; it's a technology driven innovator reshaping transportation and energy. From leading EV production to advancing autonomy and renewable energy solutions, Tesla has consistently outperformed industry trends. The company's high valuation reflects investor confidence in its ability to sustain growth and expand margins. \nHowever, at its current price, the stock offers limited upside for new investors looking for immediate returns. Tesla is best suited for those betting on its long term innovation led strategy and ability to dominate emerging markets.\nFinancial Performance: Backing Leadership with Strong Numbers\n\nTesla's Q4 2024 results highlight both its dominance in the EV sector and the challenges that lie ahead. The company posted $25.7 billion in revenue, reflecting a 2% increase from the previous year. While this marks steady growth, the company's pace has slowed compared to earlier years when revenue surged by double digits. \nAlthough revenue rose, operating income fell to $1.6 billion, as increased R&D spending and competition has forced Tesla to cut price in key markets. However, Tesla reported $2.0 billion in free cash flow, a redirection of dollars to both increase the capabilities of its technology and manufacturing. The following chart illustrates Tesla's revenue growth trend over recent quarters, showing how its revenue expansion has slowed but remains strong:\n\nIn Q4 20224, Tesla hit its stride with deliveries of 495,570 vehicles, putting it at the top of the production leadership. There's an edge in the company's ability to scale efficiently but it pushes up on margins with price reduction in China and North America. For Tesla to move forward, it will have to find at least a measure of balance between aggressive expansion and profitability. \nThe following chart highlights Tesla's dominance in vehicle deliveries compared to Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto\n \nTesla's Valuation: Does the Stock Still Have Room to Run? \nTesla's valuation continues to be a key concern for investors. The company's price to earnings (P/E) ratio currently stands at 200.3, far exceeding Li Auto's 16.8, signaling that investors have high expectations for Tesla's future growth. Similarly, Tesla's price to sales (P/S) ratio of 12.7 is significantly higher than Rivian's 2.49 and Lucid's 2.9, reflecting the market's confidence in Tesla's ability to expand revenue. \nTesla's EV/EBITDA of 52.3 is higher than Rivian (-6.9) and Lucid (-4.7) because these two companies have yet to achieve profitability. Li Auto's EV/EBITDA of 24.6 compares relatively well placing the company as a rather cheaper competitor. Tesla's better operating margin means it can afford a higher multiple but also means very little error allowed in implementation. \nThe following chart compares Tesla's valuation metrics (P/E Ratio, P/S Ratio, and EV/EBITDA) with Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto, emphasizing Tesla's premium pricing:\n \nTesla's strength in EVs, artificial intelligence, sustainable energy is reflected in Tesla's stock price but that also means there is very little margin for error. The stock could be subject to a major correction if Elon Musk fails to meet its ambitious targets or defend its current market share. \nCompetition: Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto Closing the Gap\nTesla continues to be the leader in EV production, but it no longer operates in an uncontested market. Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto have gained momentum, each presenting unique challenges to Tesla's dominance. \nRivian has made a name for itself in the adventure and utility EV segment, positioning its vehicles as direct competitors to Tesla's Cybertruck and Model X. While Rivian has built a strong brand, its biggest challenge is scaling production profitably. \nTo the contrary, Lucid has opted to attack the high end luxury EV market segment with premium sedans that directly target Tesla's Model S and Model X. Rich buyers have an interest in Lucid, which focuses strongly on battery efficiency and high performance features. However, its high production costs and on going financial struggles might keep it to a short term future. \nTesla's largest overseas market, China, could be threatened the most immediately by Li Auto. Li Auto has succeeded in appealing to consumers that have kept a watchful eye out for the charging infrastructure. If the company continues growing rapidly in China, Tesla will find it necessary to adjust the pricing to make a profit and there will likely be an impact on global profit margins. \nEven with brand loyalty, economies of scale and first mover advantage, Tesla is still at risk of losing its market share and would need to maintain profit margins and be able to defend its position. \nInnovation and Growth Drivers  \nTesla continues using unique product development strategies coupled with efficiency in business operations. Tesla has previously upgraded its Model 3 range and now Cybertruck in ranking at the higher-end of the market but specifically in a new market segment but their new line addresses need for affordability as well as a high utility vehicle market. The firm plans to capture new markets, and the release of the next generation of efficient vehicles, the EVs, will commence in 2025. \nMore than any other competitor in the AI powered mobility solution market, the company's Full Self Driving or FSD software has driven two billion cumulative miles. Improved training capacity in artificial intelligence technology (29k H100 GPUs) helps it to lead in the autonomous environment. With a 30.5% gross margin helping its record bull, Tesla's Megapack and Powerwall systems are still expanding. People all over are demanding sustainable energy as they seek for electricity. The next major profit producer will be Tesla's energy division.\nMoreover, the battery investment like that of the recently developed 4650 cellshelps to reduce prices and improve energy density. Apart from addressing the growing demand of stationary storage energy solutions, this positions Tesla to solve fresh challenges of managing higher production and demand for its vehicles.\nThe following chart outlines Tesla's financial performance in Q4 2024, showing key figures like operating income, free cash flow, and margins: \n \nChallenges and Risks That Could Impact Tesla's Growth \nRegardless all the foundations of Tesla's stock, there are certain hazards that influence the worth of the business. Trade policy ambiguities and supply chain interruptions remain unresolved issues of major relevance. About 2530% of Tesla's crucial components come from Mexico and China; all but a few of its cars have been built in the United States. \nWith a 25% levy on Canadian and Mexican imports and a 10% tariff on Chinese imports, recent USA tariffs could affect manufacturing pricing and cause supply chain delays. Canada has been no less vocal in its discontent with the US, suggesting possible reprisals on Tesla vehicles that might compromise North America sales. \nMacroeconomic issues such as inflation, rising interest rates, and changes in consumer spending might all have an impact on Tesla's growth. If economic conditions worsen, Tesla's ability to retain current valuations might potentially dampen demand for high end EVs. \nConclusion: \nTesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) is the most important firm in the EV market, thanks to a strong brand, cutting-edge technology, and ambitious growth plans. Its great value, however, calls for investors to consider if the present stock price is justified given future expansion. \nShould Tesla keep its technological lead, grow its AI and energy companies, and increase manufacturing, its valuation might be long-lasting. But with rivals Rivian, Lucid, and Li Auto getting more competitive, Tesla's capacity to keep profitability while protecting market share will be crucial in the next years. \nLong term investors sure of Tesla's future continue to see the firm to be a strong investment. For those seeking quick profits, meanwhile, Tesla's premium pricing could provide little upward potential until the business exceeds projections. This article first appeared on \nGuruFocus.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":223,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":413538387624200,"gmtCreate":1741955389676,"gmtModify":1741957786969,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Can see that you are hater for Tesla. If I am yr friend I will not only end the friend ship. I will even beat u up","listText":"Can see that you are hater for Tesla. If I am yr friend I will not only end the friend ship. I will even beat u up","text":"Can see that you are hater for Tesla. If I am yr friend I will not only end the friend ship. I will even beat u up","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/413538387624200","repostId":"2519808279","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2519808279","kind":"highlight","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1741953000,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2519808279?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-03-14 19:50","market":"hk","language":"en","title":"'He claims to be a nihilist': I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares. He stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2519808279","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"'I've been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio'. I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio.I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications.Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales?Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to your opinion on Tesla's stock uncertain future, at least in the short term. On Tuesday, Trump bought a Tesla after p","content":"<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW 'He claims to be a nihilist': I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares. He stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I've been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio' \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Quentin, \n</p>\n<p>\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n</p>\n<p>\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Former Friend \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Friend, \n</p>\n<p>\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, unsolicited opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n</p>\n<p>\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may look at Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. He may see that it has, by virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency and reason, \"This is going to hurt sales.\" And sell. Politics aside, people sell stocks if they believe they'll lose money. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Elon Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> is down nearly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $240 currently, but it's still higher than the $170 at this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: Has Tesla stock hit bottom? Here's what the options market is saying. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla 'shocking' sales decline \n</p>\n<p>\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to your opinion on Tesla's stock uncertain future, at least in the short term. On Tuesday, Trump bought a Tesla after parading a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025 - down over 50% on the same time last year, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales there are falling. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared him to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped either. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/WFC\">$(WFC)$</a> analyst Colin Langan, in an analyst note on Friday, described Tesl'a sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed with the statement that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n</p>\n<p>\n     President Trump paraded a group of Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may end up being a black eye for Elon Musk. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have also fallen. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOGL\">$(GOOGL)$</a> , Amazon <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">$(AMZN)$</a>, Apple <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">$(AAPL)$</a>, Meta <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">$(META)$</a>, Microsoft <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">$(MSFT)$</a> and Nvidia <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">$(NVDA)$</a>.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&amp;P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship \n</p>\n<p>\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some advice?\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n</p>\n<p>\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n</p>\n<p>\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n</p>\n<p>\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n</p>\n<p>\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n</p>\n<p>\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. Post your questions, or weigh in on the latest Moneyist columns. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By emailing your questions to The Moneyist or posting your dilemmas on The Moneyist Facebook group, you agree to have them published anonymously on MarketWatch. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By submitting your story to Dow Jones &amp; Co., the publisher of MarketWatch, you understand and agree that we may use your story, or versions of it, in all media and platforms, including via third parties. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n</p>\n<pre>\n \n</pre>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  March 14, 2025 07:50 ET (11:50 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>'He claims to be a nihilist': I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares. He stopped speaking to me. 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He stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-03-14 19:50</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW 'He claims to be a nihilist': I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares. He stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I've been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio' \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Quentin, \n</p>\n<p>\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n</p>\n<p>\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Former Friend \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Friend, \n</p>\n<p>\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, unsolicited opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n</p>\n<p>\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may look at Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. He may see that it has, by virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency and reason, \"This is going to hurt sales.\" And sell. Politics aside, people sell stocks if they believe they'll lose money. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Elon Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> is down nearly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $240 currently, but it's still higher than the $170 at this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: Has Tesla stock hit bottom? Here's what the options market is saying. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla 'shocking' sales decline \n</p>\n<p>\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to your opinion on Tesla's stock uncertain future, at least in the short term. On Tuesday, Trump bought a Tesla after parading a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025 - down over 50% on the same time last year, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales there are falling. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared him to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped either. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/WFC\">$(WFC)$</a> analyst Colin Langan, in an analyst note on Friday, described Tesl'a sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed with the statement that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n</p>\n<p>\n     President Trump paraded a group of Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may end up being a black eye for Elon Musk. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have also fallen. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOGL\">$(GOOGL)$</a> , Amazon <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">$(AMZN)$</a>, Apple <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">$(AAPL)$</a>, Meta <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">$(META)$</a>, Microsoft <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">$(MSFT)$</a> and Nvidia <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">$(NVDA)$</a>.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&amp;P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship \n</p>\n<p>\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some advice?\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n</p>\n<p>\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n</p>\n<p>\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n</p>\n<p>\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n</p>\n<p>\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n</p>\n<p>\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. Post your questions, or weigh in on the latest Moneyist columns. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By emailing your questions to The Moneyist or posting your dilemmas on The Moneyist Facebook group, you agree to have them published anonymously on MarketWatch. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By submitting your story to Dow Jones &amp; Co., the publisher of MarketWatch, you understand and agree that we may use your story, or versions of it, in all media and platforms, including via third parties. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n</p>\n<pre>\n \n</pre>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  March 14, 2025 07:50 ET (11:50 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVD3.UK":"LS 3X NVIDIA","LU2242650005.HKD":"FIDELITY FUNDS GLOBAL MULTI ASSET DYNAMIC \"A\" (HKD) ACC","NVDY":"YIELDMAX NVDA OPTION INCOME STRATEGY ETF","NVDS.UK":"LS -1X NVIDIA","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU1084165304.USD":"FIDELITY WORLD \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU2065170008.USD":"M&G (LUX) GLOBAL MAXIMA \"A\" (USD) INC","LU1670711123.USD":"M&G (LUX) GLOBAL DIVIDEND \"A\" (USD) INC","LU0109392836.USD":"富兰克林科技股A","LU1043141123.HKD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL FRANCHISE \"A\" (HKD) INC 2","SNVD.UK":"LS -1X NVIDIA","LU2041044095.USD":"Blackrock Circular Economy A2 USD","2NVD.UK":"2X NVIDIA ETP","3NVD.UK":"LS 3X NVIDIA","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares","LU2471134952.CNY":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (CNYHDG) INC","BK4567":"ESG概念","BK4207":"综合性银行","NVIW.SI":"NVDA 3xLongSG261006","LU1564329628.SGD":"Blackrock Dynamic High Income A2 SGD-H","SG9999018857.SGD":"United Global Quality Growth Fd Cl Acc SGD-H","IE00B3M56506.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN EMERGING MARKETS EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","TSYW.SI":"TESLA 3xLongSG261006","LU0345769631.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL EQUITY \"A\" (USD) INC","NVDD":"Direxion Daily NVDA Bear 1X Shares","LU0154236417.USD":"BGF US FLEXIBLE EQUITY \"A2\" ACC","LU1496350171.SGD":"FRANKLIN DIVERSIFIED BALANCED \"A\" (SGDHDG) ACC","USAW.SI":"AMZN 3xLongSG261006","IE00B4JS1V06.HKD":"JANUS HENDERSON BALANCED \"A2\" (HKD) ACC","NVDS":"Tradr 1.5X Short NVDA Daily ETF","MACW.SI":"APPLE 3xLongSG261006","LU1116320901.HKD":"BGF SYSTEMATIC GLOBAL ENHANCED EQUITY YIELD \"A6\" (HKD) INC","LU0128525929.USD":"TEMPLETON GLOBAL \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4515":"5G概念","NVDU":"Direxion Daily NVDA Bull 2X Shares","LU2065171402.SGD":"M&G (LUX) GLOBAL MAXIMA \"A\" (SGD) INC","LU0342679015.USD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL EQUITY UNCONSTRAINED \"AT\" (USD) ACC","SGXZ99366536.SGD":"United Global Innovation A Acc SGD-H","LU1235295455.SGD":"Fidelity Global Multi Asset Growth & Income A-ACC-SGD","NVD2.UK":"2X NVIDIA ETP"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2519808279","content_text":"MW 'He claims to be a nihilist': I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares. He stopped speaking to me. Is that normal?\n\n\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n\n\n     'I've been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio' \n\n\n     Dear Quentin, \n\n\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n\n\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n\n\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n\n\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n\n\n     Former Friend \n\n\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n\n\n     Dear Friend, \n\n\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n\n\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, unsolicited opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n\n\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may look at Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. He may see that it has, by virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency and reason, \"This is going to hurt sales.\" And sell. Politics aside, people sell stocks if they believe they'll lose money. \n\n\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Elon Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla $(TSLA)$ is down nearly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $240 currently, but it's still higher than the $170 at this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. \n\n\n     Related: Has Tesla stock hit bottom? Here's what the options market is saying. \n\n\n     Tesla 'shocking' sales decline \n\n\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to your opinion on Tesla's stock uncertain future, at least in the short term. On Tuesday, Trump bought a Tesla after parading a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n\n\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025 - down over 50% on the same time last year, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales there are falling. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared him to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped either. \n\n\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo $(WFC)$ analyst Colin Langan, in an analyst note on Friday, described Tesl'a sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed with the statement that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n\n\n     President Trump paraded a group of Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may end up being a black eye for Elon Musk. \n\n\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have also fallen. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n\n\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n\n\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet $(GOOGL)$ , Amazon $(AMZN)$, Apple $(AAPL)$, Meta $(META)$, Microsoft $(MSFT)$ and Nvidia $(NVDA)$.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n\n\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n\n\n     Finance and friendship \n\n\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n\n\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n\n\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some advice?\" \n\n\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n\n\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n\n\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n\n\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n\n\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n\n\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n\n\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n\n\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. 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This is called Sour grapes","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/408160580710584","repostId":"2514898953","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2514898953","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1740667523,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2514898953?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-02-27 22:45","market":"us","language":"en","title":"'He's Lining His Pockets'—Rep. Jasmine Crockett Slams Elon Musk For Securing Nearly $1 Billion In US Government Contracts In Just 2 Weeks","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2514898953","media":"Benzinga","summary":"Elon Musk is being criticized by Rep. Jasmine Crockett  for securing about $1 billion in government contracts in just two weeks, claiming that he put his personal financial gain ahead of the interests of the American people. She argues that instead of investing in American workers or improving industries, Musk is focused on accumulating wealth while benefiting from taxpayer dollars.During a recent MSNBC interview, Crockett didn't hold back when discussing Musk's business dealings with the U.S. government. “Elon doesn't want us talking about the fact that he has received almost a billion dollars worth of new contract money from the U.S. government in just two weeks,” she said. “$400 million for Tesla and over $300 million for SpaceX. This is nothing more than a money grab.” She pointed out that while Musk receives government subsidies, he simultaneously pushes narratives that undermine public investment in infrastructure and essential services.Her comments come as Musk continues to secu","content":"<html><body><p><strong>Elon Musk</strong> is being criticized by Rep. <strong>Jasmine Crockett</strong> (D-TX) for securing about $1 billion in government contracts in just two weeks, claiming that he put his personal financial gain ahead of the interests of the American people. She argues that instead of investing in American workers or improving industries, Musk is focused on accumulating wealth while benefiting from taxpayer dollars.</p>\n<p>During a recent MSNBC interview, Crockett didn't hold back when discussing Musk's business dealings with the U.S. government. “Elon doesn't want us talking about the fact that he has received almost a billion dollars worth of new contract money from the U.S. government in just two weeks,” she said. “$400 million for Tesla and over $300 million for <strong>SpaceX</strong>. This is nothing more than a money grab.” She pointed out that while Musk receives government subsidies, he simultaneously pushes narratives that undermine public investment in infrastructure and essential services.</p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">BREAKING: In a stunning moment, Rep. Jasmine Crockett exposes near $1 billion in new contracts for Musk in just 2 weeks: \"This is nothing more than a money grab. He's not out there trying to save money for the American people, he's lining his pockets.\" pic.twitter.com/JBwRmPX40A</p>\n<p>— Really American 🇺🇸 (@ReallyAmerican1) February 19, 2025</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p><strong>Don't Miss:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Deloitte's fastest-growing software company partners with Amazon, Walmart &amp; Target – <strong>Many are rushing to grab 4,000 of its pre-IPO shares for just $0.26/share!</strong></strong></li>\n<li><strong>Maker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing —<strong> </strong><strong>you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<p>Crockett criticized Musk's role in the political and economic landscape, arguing that his growing influence isn't about benefiting taxpayers. “He's not out there trying to save money for the American people. That's not what he's doing. He's lining his pockets.”</p>\n<p>She also criticized Trump's policies, saying they mainly help billionaires while making life harder for regular people. “The only mission that <strong>Donald Trump</strong> has is making sure that he can line his pockets, line Elon's pockets, and any other billionaire—all at our expense.” Important programs like Social Security, Medicare, and financial aid for those in need might be eliminated if these policies persist, she said, making it even more difficult for average people to make ends meet.</p>\n<p><strong><em>See Also: <strong><em>Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'</em></strong></em></strong></p>\n<p>Crockett stressed that Democrats must respond with direct outreach and unambiguous messaging, especially in rural communities that are frequently disregarded. She pointed out that many of these communities rely on government programs that are now at risk. “We have a story for every single person who's not a billionaire in this country, and it's time for us to tell it,” she said. </p>\n<p>Her comments come as Musk continues to secure lucrative federal contracts, despite his outspoken criticism of government spending. Meanwhile, concerns grow over how his ventures, including Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) and SpaceX, benefit from public funds while he promotes deregulation and private-sector dominance. Crockett underscored the contradiction of Musk simultaneously accepting government contracts while advocating for policies that reduce oversight and accountability.</p>\n<p>Crockett's blunt critique highlights an ongoing debate about corporate influence, political favoritism, and the role of billionaires in shaping U.S. policy. She called for greater scrutiny of Musk's dealings and a more aggressive approach to ensuring that public funds benefit everyday Americans rather than the ultra-wealthy.</p>\n<p><strong>Read Next:</strong></p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>If there was a new fund backed by Jeff Bezos offering a</strong><strong> <strong>7-9% target yield with monthly dividends would you invest in it</strong>?</strong></li>\n<li><strong>‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. <strong>You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.</strong></strong></li>\n</ul>\n<p>UNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. <strong>Click now to get top trade ideas daily</strong>, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.</p>\n<p>Get the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?</p>\n<ul>\n<li>TESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report</li>\n</ul>\n<p>This article 'He's Lining His Pockets'—Rep. Jasmine Crockett Slams Elon Musk For Securing Nearly $1 Billion In US Government Contracts In Just 2 Weeks originally appeared on Benzinga.com</p>\n<p><i>© 2025 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. All rights reserved.</i></p>\n</body></html>","source":"yahoofinance","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>'He's Lining His Pockets'—Rep. 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Jasmine Crockett (D-TX) for securing about $1 billion in government contracts in just two weeks, claiming that he put his personal financial gain ahead of the interests of the American people. She argues that instead of investing in American workers or improving industries, Musk is focused on accumulating wealth while benefiting from taxpayer dollars.\nDuring a recent MSNBC interview, Crockett didn't hold back when discussing Musk's business dealings with the U.S. government. “Elon doesn't want us talking about the fact that he has received almost a billion dollars worth of new contract money from the U.S. government in just two weeks,” she said. “$400 million for Tesla and over $300 million for SpaceX. This is nothing more than a money grab.” She pointed out that while Musk receives government subsidies, he simultaneously pushes narratives that undermine public investment in infrastructure and essential services.\n\nBREAKING: In a stunning moment, Rep. Jasmine Crockett exposes near $1 billion in new contracts for Musk in just 2 weeks: \"This is nothing more than a money grab. He's not out there trying to save money for the American people, he's lining his pockets.\" pic.twitter.com/JBwRmPX40A\n— Really American 🇺🇸 (@ReallyAmerican1) February 19, 2025\n\nDon't Miss:\n\nDeloitte's fastest-growing software company partners with Amazon, Walmart & Target – Many are rushing to grab 4,000 of its pre-IPO shares for just $0.26/share!\nMaker of the $60,000 foldable home has 3 factory buildings, 600+ houses built, and big plans to solve housing — you can become an investor for $0.80 per share today.\n\nCrockett criticized Musk's role in the political and economic landscape, arguing that his growing influence isn't about benefiting taxpayers. “He's not out there trying to save money for the American people. That's not what he's doing. He's lining his pockets.”\nShe also criticized Trump's policies, saying they mainly help billionaires while making life harder for regular people. “The only mission that Donald Trump has is making sure that he can line his pockets, line Elon's pockets, and any other billionaire—all at our expense.” Important programs like Social Security, Medicare, and financial aid for those in need might be eliminated if these policies persist, she said, making it even more difficult for average people to make ends meet.\nSee Also: Elon Musk Told The U.N. If They Could Show A Plan For Ending World Hunger He'd Donate $6 Billion – ‘I Will Sell Tesla Stock Right Now And Do It'\nCrockett stressed that Democrats must respond with direct outreach and unambiguous messaging, especially in rural communities that are frequently disregarded. She pointed out that many of these communities rely on government programs that are now at risk. “We have a story for every single person who's not a billionaire in this country, and it's time for us to tell it,” she said. \nHer comments come as Musk continues to secure lucrative federal contracts, despite his outspoken criticism of government spending. Meanwhile, concerns grow over how his ventures, including Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) and SpaceX, benefit from public funds while he promotes deregulation and private-sector dominance. Crockett underscored the contradiction of Musk simultaneously accepting government contracts while advocating for policies that reduce oversight and accountability.\nCrockett's blunt critique highlights an ongoing debate about corporate influence, political favoritism, and the role of billionaires in shaping U.S. policy. She called for greater scrutiny of Musk's dealings and a more aggressive approach to ensuring that public funds benefit everyday Americans rather than the ultra-wealthy.\nRead Next:\n\nIf there was a new fund backed by Jeff Bezos offering a 7-9% target yield with monthly dividends would you invest in it?\n‘Scrolling To UBI' — Deloitte's #1 fastest-growing software company allows users to earn money on their phones. You can invest today for just $0.26/share with a $1000 minimum.\n\nUNLOCKED: 5 NEW TRADES EVERY WEEK. Click now to get top trade ideas daily, plus unlimited access to cutting-edge tools and strategies to gain an edge in the markets.\nGet the latest stock analysis from Benzinga?\n\nTESLA (TSLA): Free Stock Analysis Report\n\nThis article 'He's Lining His Pockets'—Rep. Jasmine Crockett Slams Elon Musk For Securing Nearly $1 Billion In US Government Contracts In Just 2 Weeks originally appeared on Benzinga.com\n© 2025 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. 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Less than a day after Elon Musk promised to find $1 trillion in free money by cutting \"fraud and waste\" from the federal government - an amount equal to about one federal dollar in seven - his claim has been undercut by yet another government report.Total federal \"improper payments\" last year came to $162 billion, according to figures released by the Government Accountability Office.And the Biden administration had already slashed that figure by a third, or $74 billion, from the year before, as pandemic-era programs were wound down, the GAO added.The further you look into the report, the worse news becomes for everyone who had already been planning out how to spend their share of the so-called DOGE dividend.For instance, the GAO's \"improper payments\" figure included $7.9 billion in underpayments, which is where the federal government failed to pay people what they were owed.But if that seems like an easy way to","content":"<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW New report casts significant doubt on Musk and Trump's government-fraud claims\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Brett Arends \n</p>\n<p>\n     Yet another setback for Elon Musk's claim of a $1 trillion 'DOGE dividend' \n</p>\n<p>\n     Less than a day after Elon Musk promised to find $1 trillion in free money by cutting \"fraud and waste\" from the federal government - an amount equal to about one federal dollar in seven - his claim has been undercut by yet another government report. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Total federal \"improper payments\" last year came to $162 billion, according to figures released by the Government Accountability Office. \n</p>\n<p>\n     And the Biden administration had already slashed that figure by a third, or $74 billion, from the year before, as pandemic-era programs were wound down, the GAO added. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The further you look into the report, the worse news becomes for everyone who had already been planning out how to spend their share of the so-called DOGE dividend. \n</p>\n<p>\n     For instance, the GAO's \"improper payments\" figure included $7.9 billion in underpayments, which is where the federal government failed to pay people what they were owed. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Deduct that figure from the total - and pay that money out, as intended - and the total savings Uncle Sam could have achieved last year by perfect accounting would have come to $146.2 billion, the GAO numbers show. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Oh, and even this includes $12.6 billion in so-called unknown payments, which the GAO says is where it is \"unclear whether a payment was an error or not.\" So these might not be overpayments at all, either. \n</p>\n<p>\n     But even if we assume all of this is actual fraud and waste, the total was 2% of federal spending, which came to $6.8 trillion last year. So that leaves Musk about $850 billion short of the $1 trillion savings he promised Fox Business host, and former Trump White House economist, Larry Kudlow on Monday night. \n</p>\n<p>\n     For the purposes of illustration, $850 billion is roughly the size of the entire defense department. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Opinion: Elon Musk says federal fraud is bigger than the entire defense budget. Could that actually be true? \n</p>\n<p>\n     On the positive front, the GAO said its improper-payments report did not include any waste, fraud or abuse in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, the Small Business Administration's Shuttered Venue Operators Grants program, or the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Office of Public and Indian Housing's Tenant-Based Rental Assistance. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's lucky Musk is rocket scientist-adjacent. Maybe one of those people can make his math work. Quantum physics, maybe? \n</p>\n<p>\n     For all of us awaiting Musk's free-money bonanza and the \"DOGE dividend,\" the news gets even worse. \n</p>\n<p>\n     A third of all this excess spending, $54.3 billion, was accounted for by waste, fraud and improperly coded payments in Medicare. \n</p>\n<p>\n     But if that seems like an easy way to cut waste, think again. That figure represents just over 5% of the Medicare budget, which had gross outlays of $1.05 trillion last year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In comparison, the U.S.'s magnificently efficient private-sector health-insurance companies spend about 12% of their revenues on administrative costs in order to minimize waste, fraud and the like. \n</p>\n<p>\n     So, using the private sector as a benchmark, in order to slash that $54 billion in apparent waste and fraud, we would first have to spend ... er ... $120 billion a year on administrative costs instead. \n</p>\n<p>\n     That would leave us $66 billion worse off, costing the average American household an extra $500 a year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     At this rate, the so-called Department of Government Efficiency's \"dividend\" will end up as a cash call. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The GAO report comes shortly after a government investigation raised new questions about the claim made by Musk and President Donald Trump that vast numbers of dead people are receiving Social Security benefits. The Social Security inspector general found that although there were 760,000 \"dead\" people on the Social Security rolls in Idaho, just 86 of them, or 0.011%, had been sent benefit payments after their deaths. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Total savings, by eliminating all 86 of these overpayments, would come to $611,000 a year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Musk continues to assert that the federal government doesn't merely include inefficiencies, waste and even fraud but that the sums involved are enormous and egregious, amounting to the biggest scam in American history. \n</p>\n<p>\n     During the Kudlow interview, the Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> and SpaceX CEO and owner of the social-media platform X, claimed the GAO recently found \"half a trillion dollars\" in annual fraud in federal spending. Actually, the GAO estimated a wide range, from $233 billion to $521 billion, and said that upper part of the range was heavily influenced by the pandemic years. The latest GAO data, showing a plunge in improper payments as special pandemic-era programs wound down, raise further doubts about how big ongoing fraud might be. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Key Words: LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman has known Elon Musk for years. Here's what he says Americans don't understand about the Tesla CEO. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It remains a mystery why no one else has noticed the enormous fraud that Musk alleges - not only among the GAO staff and all the inspectors-general across the federal government, but among potential whistleblowers, too. Those exposing $1 trillion in fraud in federal spending would be entitled to hundreds of billions of dollars in rewards. For some bizarre reason, no one seems to have wanted the money. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Brett Arends \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n</p>\n<pre>\n \n</pre>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  March 13, 2025 08:33 ET (12:33 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>New report casts significant doubt on Musk and Trump's government-fraud claims</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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So that leaves Musk about $850 billion short of the $1 trillion savings he promised Fox Business host, and former Trump White House economist, Larry Kudlow on Monday night. \n</p>\n<p>\n     For the purposes of illustration, $850 billion is roughly the size of the entire defense department. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Opinion: Elon Musk says federal fraud is bigger than the entire defense budget. Could that actually be true? \n</p>\n<p>\n     On the positive front, the GAO said its improper-payments report did not include any waste, fraud or abuse in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, the Small Business Administration's Shuttered Venue Operators Grants program, or the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Office of Public and Indian Housing's Tenant-Based Rental Assistance. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's lucky Musk is rocket scientist-adjacent. Maybe one of those people can make his math work. Quantum physics, maybe? \n</p>\n<p>\n     For all of us awaiting Musk's free-money bonanza and the \"DOGE dividend,\" the news gets even worse. \n</p>\n<p>\n     A third of all this excess spending, $54.3 billion, was accounted for by waste, fraud and improperly coded payments in Medicare. \n</p>\n<p>\n     But if that seems like an easy way to cut waste, think again. That figure represents just over 5% of the Medicare budget, which had gross outlays of $1.05 trillion last year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In comparison, the U.S.'s magnificently efficient private-sector health-insurance companies spend about 12% of their revenues on administrative costs in order to minimize waste, fraud and the like. \n</p>\n<p>\n     So, using the private sector as a benchmark, in order to slash that $54 billion in apparent waste and fraud, we would first have to spend ... er ... $120 billion a year on administrative costs instead. \n</p>\n<p>\n     That would leave us $66 billion worse off, costing the average American household an extra $500 a year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     At this rate, the so-called Department of Government Efficiency's \"dividend\" will end up as a cash call. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The GAO report comes shortly after a government investigation raised new questions about the claim made by Musk and President Donald Trump that vast numbers of dead people are receiving Social Security benefits. The Social Security inspector general found that although there were 760,000 \"dead\" people on the Social Security rolls in Idaho, just 86 of them, or 0.011%, had been sent benefit payments after their deaths. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Total savings, by eliminating all 86 of these overpayments, would come to $611,000 a year. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Musk continues to assert that the federal government doesn't merely include inefficiencies, waste and even fraud but that the sums involved are enormous and egregious, amounting to the biggest scam in American history. \n</p>\n<p>\n     During the Kudlow interview, the Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> and SpaceX CEO and owner of the social-media platform X, claimed the GAO recently found \"half a trillion dollars\" in annual fraud in federal spending. Actually, the GAO estimated a wide range, from $233 billion to $521 billion, and said that upper part of the range was heavily influenced by the pandemic years. The latest GAO data, showing a plunge in improper payments as special pandemic-era programs wound down, raise further doubts about how big ongoing fraud might be. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Key Words: LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman has known Elon Musk for years. Here's what he says Americans don't understand about the Tesla CEO. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It remains a mystery why no one else has noticed the enormous fraud that Musk alleges - not only among the GAO staff and all the inspectors-general across the federal government, but among potential whistleblowers, too. Those exposing $1 trillion in fraud in federal spending would be entitled to hundreds of billions of dollars in rewards. For some bizarre reason, no one seems to have wanted the money. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Brett Arends \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. 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So that leaves Musk about $850 billion short of the $1 trillion savings he promised Fox Business host, and former Trump White House economist, Larry Kudlow on Monday night. \n\n\n     For the purposes of illustration, $850 billion is roughly the size of the entire defense department. \n\n\n     Opinion: Elon Musk says federal fraud is bigger than the entire defense budget. Could that actually be true? \n\n\n     On the positive front, the GAO said its improper-payments report did not include any waste, fraud or abuse in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, the Small Business Administration's Shuttered Venue Operators Grants program, or the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Office of Public and Indian Housing's Tenant-Based Rental Assistance. \n\n\n     It's lucky Musk is rocket scientist-adjacent. Maybe one of those people can make his math work. Quantum physics, maybe? \n\n\n     For all of us awaiting Musk's free-money bonanza and the \"DOGE dividend,\" the news gets even worse. \n\n\n     A third of all this excess spending, $54.3 billion, was accounted for by waste, fraud and improperly coded payments in Medicare. \n\n\n     But if that seems like an easy way to cut waste, think again. That figure represents just over 5% of the Medicare budget, which had gross outlays of $1.05 trillion last year. \n\n\n     In comparison, the U.S.'s magnificently efficient private-sector health-insurance companies spend about 12% of their revenues on administrative costs in order to minimize waste, fraud and the like. \n\n\n     So, using the private sector as a benchmark, in order to slash that $54 billion in apparent waste and fraud, we would first have to spend ... er ... $120 billion a year on administrative costs instead. \n\n\n     That would leave us $66 billion worse off, costing the average American household an extra $500 a year. \n\n\n     At this rate, the so-called Department of Government Efficiency's \"dividend\" will end up as a cash call. \n\n\n     The GAO report comes shortly after a government investigation raised new questions about the claim made by Musk and President Donald Trump that vast numbers of dead people are receiving Social Security benefits. The Social Security inspector general found that although there were 760,000 \"dead\" people on the Social Security rolls in Idaho, just 86 of them, or 0.011%, had been sent benefit payments after their deaths. \n\n\n     Total savings, by eliminating all 86 of these overpayments, would come to $611,000 a year. \n\n\n     Musk continues to assert that the federal government doesn't merely include inefficiencies, waste and even fraud but that the sums involved are enormous and egregious, amounting to the biggest scam in American history. \n\n\n     During the Kudlow interview, the Tesla $(TSLA)$ and SpaceX CEO and owner of the social-media platform X, claimed the GAO recently found \"half a trillion dollars\" in annual fraud in federal spending. Actually, the GAO estimated a wide range, from $233 billion to $521 billion, and said that upper part of the range was heavily influenced by the pandemic years. The latest GAO data, showing a plunge in improper payments as special pandemic-era programs wound down, raise further doubts about how big ongoing fraud might be. \n\n\n     Key Words: LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman has known Elon Musk for years. Here's what he says Americans don't understand about the Tesla CEO. \n\n\n     It remains a mystery why no one else has noticed the enormous fraud that Musk alleges - not only among the GAO staff and all the inspectors-general across the federal government, but among potential whistleblowers, too. Those exposing $1 trillion in fraud in federal spending would be entitled to hundreds of billions of dollars in rewards. For some bizarre reason, no one seems to have wanted the money. \n\n\n     -Brett Arends \n\n\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones & Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n\n\n \n\n\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n\n\n  March 13, 2025 08:33 ET (12:33 GMT)\n\n\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":513,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":411468673688032,"gmtCreate":1741450462828,"gmtModify":1741450466544,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Sour grapes","listText":"Sour grapes","text":"Sour grapes","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/411468673688032","repostId":"2517444091","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2517444091","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1741484674,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2517444091?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-03-09 09:44","market":"nz","language":"en","title":"What Would Tesla Be Worth Without Elon Musk?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2517444091","media":"Fortune","summary":"In the weeks bracketing Donald Trump's victory on Nov. 5, Tesla's stock enjoyed one of the most explosive rides in the annals of publicly traded equities, gaining over 50% and almost half a trillion dollars in valuation in the span of just over a month. That surge reversed four years of poor performance for Tesla's shares as investors soured on the EV maker's weakening fundamentals and CEO Elon Musk's serial promises of fully self-driving cars and an inexpensive mass-market model that proved an ever-receding horizon.Then in October, Musk recharged his stock via a fresh pledge to start producing the long-awaited Tesla Cybercab by mid-2025. And investors reckoned that Musk's newfound, headline-grabbing status as the highest-profile member of the Trump economic team in heading the Department of Government Efficiency , as well as his bromance with his boss, would somehow restore the buzz around Tesla. Musk appeared to be performing a never-before-seen coup in taming the federal bureaucracy","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>In the weeks bracketing Donald Trump&#39;s victory on Nov. 5, Tesla&#39;s stock enjoyed one of the most explosive rides in the annals of publicly traded equities, gaining over 50% and almost half a trillion dollars in valuation in the span of just over a month. That surge reversed four years of poor performance for Tesla&#39;s shares as investors soured on the EV maker&#39;s weakening fundamentals and CEO Elon Musk&#39;s serial promises of fully self-driving cars and an inexpensive mass-market model that proved an ever-receding horizon.</p><p>Then in October, Musk recharged his stock via a fresh pledge to start producing the long-awaited Tesla Cybercab by mid-2025. And investors reckoned that Musk&#39;s newfound, headline-grabbing status as the highest-profile member of the Trump economic team in heading the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), as well as his bromance with his boss, would somehow restore the buzz around Tesla. Musk appeared to be performing a never-before-seen coup in taming the federal bureaucracy. His early wins at the White House reminded folks and funds of the supposedly enduring Musk magic, and renewed belief in his epic vision for the EV giant.</p><p>But in the last 10 weeks, the controversy Musk has unleashed in Europe now that he&#39;s center stage in the Trump administration, especially by backing far-right political parties, as well as terrible news from China, have crushed Tesla&#39;s shares, sending their prices back to where they started the takeoff, and retesting levels at the start of 2021. Put simply, Musk&#39;s failed promises are pushing investors to examine what they&#39;ve long ignored—Tesla&#39;s bedrock value as a super-capital-intensive automaker—and ponder whether Musk&#39;s gauzy promises of things to come remotely justify its still-gigantic market cap.</p><p>In reality, the math dictating the heroics Tesla must perform to deliver good returns from here looks impossible to achieve. So let&#39;s explore the company&#39;s worth as a maker of electric vehicles and batteries and separate out what we&#39;ll call the Musk Magic Premium, the extra market cap awarded for the &#34;forthcoming&#34; ventures Musk has failed to deliver but that still rally hordes of believers.</p><p>We&#39;ll begin by posing arguably the top question in American business: <em>What would Tesla be worth without Elon Musk?</em></p><h2 id=\"id_2936267601\">Calculating Tesla&#39;s worth on what it makes now</h2><p>To answer that question, this writer used conventional guideposts to reach an accurate valuation based on the products and services Tesla currently produces and sells, sans the wonders Musk is predicting. To establish repeatable, durable numbers for earnings, I eliminated special items, notably the $589 million write-up for the Bitcoin trove on Tesla&#39;s books allowed by new accounting rules, and the almost $6 billion tax benefit in Q4 of 2023. I also removed estimated after-tax income from sale of regulatory credits to competing manufacturers, a sideline that Musk acknowledges will disappear, though the rate of decline remains uncertain.</p><p>Using that template, Tesla posted fundamental earnings of $4.2 billion in 2024. To establish a reasonable market cap, we first need to set an appropriate price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio. For the 10 largest automakers outside of China, a group that encompasses Ford and GM in the U.S.; Stellantis, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Volkswagen in Europe; and Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan, and Suzuki in Asia, the average is 6.9; only Nissan beaks double-digits at 15.1. Still, a huge share of Tesla&#39;s sales flows from China, the world&#39;s fastest-growing EV market by far, and the Chinese players sport higher multiples than anywhere else, often 20 or above. So we&#39;ll give Tesla a P/E of 20, which is still three times the norm for carmakers outside the world&#39;s second-biggest economy.</p><p>Multiply $4.2 billion by 20 and you get a market cap of $84 billion. But Tesla&#39;s valuation as of midafternoon on Monday, March 3, stood at $955 billion. Hence it&#39;s selling at 227 times its 2024 underlying profits (the cap of $955 billion divided by profits of $4.2 billion)—and that&#39;s after an historic selloff. Those adjusted earnings, by the way, are less than half the $11 billion, using the same metric, that Tesla recorded in 2022. This vaunted growth juggernaut is actually shrinking as a profitmaker. Investors are baking in tons of extra worth centered on great expectations that Musk will score on robotaxi fleets, and sales of FSV software to existing Tesla owners so they can run their cars like customer-owned Ubers and Lyfts when they&#39;re not driving them. That &#34;Musk Sorcerer&#34; bounty amounts to the difference, a staggering $873 billion (the $955 billion cap minus Tesla&#39;s status quo estimate of $82 billion).</p><p>Of course, Tesla is the riskiest of stocks, as shown by its wildly careening chart since the election. Investors will want at least a 10% annual return to strap themselves in for the lurching ride. Since Tesla doesn&#39;t pay a dividend, reaching that number would require its stock price to double in seven years, from $282 today to around $564. We&#39;ll assume the share count remains at today&#39;s levels. In that scenario, the market cap would wax twofold as well, hitting $1.91 trillion by early 2032.</p><p>Grab a quick Scotch. We need to make another assumption to posit the net profits goal seven years from now, and that&#39;s the &#34;ending&#34; P/E. We&#39;ll put the figure at 30, well above the S&amp;P&#39;s multidecade average, and a mark that would still tag Tesla as a relative tech sprinter even after staging one of the fastest expansions ever witnessed. The earnings bogey for 2023 is thus $64 billion, the $1.91 billion valuation divided by a P/E of 30.</p><h2 id=\"id_3109161511\">Tesla can&#39;t justify its current valuation</h2><p>Reaching the &#34;target&#34; of $64 billion mandates that profits jump 15-fold from today&#39;s $4.2 billion in the seven-year interval. That&#39;s a leap of15 times; Tesla&#39;s after-tax profits would need to increase at a compound rate of 47% per year. If Musk devotees succeed in driving Tesla stock back to anywhere near the all-time peak notched in December, the bar for future profit growth gets even more outrageous and unvaultable. The average annual earnings increases baked in at the pinnacle valuation of $1.57 trillion: 60% a year. The more Musk followers believe, the more impossible the challenge to reward them appears.</p><p>The rub is that just when Tesla needs a booster rocket, its engines are fizzling. Last year, its basic total revenues from carmaking rose just $200 million or 0.2% over 2023, meaning they actually fell over two points adjusted for inflation. And this year has started badly: In January 2024 compared to the same amount last year, revenues tumbled 50% in Europe and 11% in China.</p><p>Musk may succeed in making Tesla a far bigger enterprise by launching fleets of robotaxis to duel Uber and Waymo, and making and selling FSD software to its current owners. But gaining size isn&#39;t enough. It will take both loads of new capital investment and huge returns on each dollar Musk plows into new projects for Tesla to sound the horn. It&#39;s unclear that Tesla can generate sufficient profits on its own to finance Musk&#39;s blueprint. If not, he&#39;ll be forced to sell stock and raise debt. The more outside cash he marshals, the tougher his task becomes: As the share count grows, so does the total earnings above $64 billion needed to multiply the share price 15-fold by 2032, the requirement for handing investors less-than-stupendous annual gains of 10%. Musk must secure the huge rates of return on those investments, funded internally and if necessary externally, to furnish the quicksilver profit ramp built into the share price.</p><p>Therein lies the fantasy. As Musk pours tens of billions into building Tesla-owned robotaxis and obtaining the data-center gear to operate the navigation equipment in the FSV fleets, he&#39;ll face plenty of competition from players developing and deploying AI to prosper in exactly the same futuristic ventures. That competition will compress his margins, and slow the flywheel that he effectively claims will keep spinning: a flow of fabulously profitable products that generate hoards of cash to hatch and make more fabulously profitable products. Musk recently claimed Tesla could hike earnings 10-fold in the next five years. He&#39;s right in auguring what it will take to reward shareholders. He&#39;s just not showing much sign of getting there.</p><p>As Musk flamboyantly attacks &#34;fraud, waste, and abuse&#34; from his perch in the White House, he&#39;s short on showing tangible proof from the plant floors in Austin, Berlin, and Shanghai that he&#39;s mounted a credible plan. America&#39;s &#34;Music Man&#34; is still garnering a huge Musk Magic, Oscar-worthy premium for Tesla&#39;s shares. As Musk attacks the perceived ills of the U.S. economy, Tesla&#39;s woes just keep growing.</p></body></html>","source":"yahoofinance","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>What Would Tesla Be Worth Without Elon Musk?</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nWhat Would Tesla Be Worth Without Elon Musk?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-03-09 09:44 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-worth-without-elon-musk-120000082.html><strong>Fortune</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>In the weeks bracketing Donald Trump's victory on Nov. 5, Tesla's stock enjoyed one of the most explosive rides in the annals of publicly traded equities, gaining over 50% and almost half a trillion ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-worth-without-elon-musk-120000082.html\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{},"source_url":"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-worth-without-elon-musk-120000082.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5f26f4a48f9cb3e29be4d71d3ba8c038","article_id":"2517444091","content_text":"In the weeks bracketing Donald Trump's victory on Nov. 5, Tesla's stock enjoyed one of the most explosive rides in the annals of publicly traded equities, gaining over 50% and almost half a trillion dollars in valuation in the span of just over a month. That surge reversed four years of poor performance for Tesla's shares as investors soured on the EV maker's weakening fundamentals and CEO Elon Musk's serial promises of fully self-driving cars and an inexpensive mass-market model that proved an ever-receding horizon.Then in October, Musk recharged his stock via a fresh pledge to start producing the long-awaited Tesla Cybercab by mid-2025. And investors reckoned that Musk's newfound, headline-grabbing status as the highest-profile member of the Trump economic team in heading the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), as well as his bromance with his boss, would somehow restore the buzz around Tesla. Musk appeared to be performing a never-before-seen coup in taming the federal bureaucracy. His early wins at the White House reminded folks and funds of the supposedly enduring Musk magic, and renewed belief in his epic vision for the EV giant.But in the last 10 weeks, the controversy Musk has unleashed in Europe now that he's center stage in the Trump administration, especially by backing far-right political parties, as well as terrible news from China, have crushed Tesla's shares, sending their prices back to where they started the takeoff, and retesting levels at the start of 2021. Put simply, Musk's failed promises are pushing investors to examine what they've long ignored—Tesla's bedrock value as a super-capital-intensive automaker—and ponder whether Musk's gauzy promises of things to come remotely justify its still-gigantic market cap.In reality, the math dictating the heroics Tesla must perform to deliver good returns from here looks impossible to achieve. So let's explore the company's worth as a maker of electric vehicles and batteries and separate out what we'll call the Musk Magic Premium, the extra market cap awarded for the \"forthcoming\" ventures Musk has failed to deliver but that still rally hordes of believers.We'll begin by posing arguably the top question in American business: What would Tesla be worth without Elon Musk?Calculating Tesla's worth on what it makes nowTo answer that question, this writer used conventional guideposts to reach an accurate valuation based on the products and services Tesla currently produces and sells, sans the wonders Musk is predicting. To establish repeatable, durable numbers for earnings, I eliminated special items, notably the $589 million write-up for the Bitcoin trove on Tesla's books allowed by new accounting rules, and the almost $6 billion tax benefit in Q4 of 2023. I also removed estimated after-tax income from sale of regulatory credits to competing manufacturers, a sideline that Musk acknowledges will disappear, though the rate of decline remains uncertain.Using that template, Tesla posted fundamental earnings of $4.2 billion in 2024. To establish a reasonable market cap, we first need to set an appropriate price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio. For the 10 largest automakers outside of China, a group that encompasses Ford and GM in the U.S.; Stellantis, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Volkswagen in Europe; and Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan, and Suzuki in Asia, the average is 6.9; only Nissan beaks double-digits at 15.1. Still, a huge share of Tesla's sales flows from China, the world's fastest-growing EV market by far, and the Chinese players sport higher multiples than anywhere else, often 20 or above. So we'll give Tesla a P/E of 20, which is still three times the norm for carmakers outside the world's second-biggest economy.Multiply $4.2 billion by 20 and you get a market cap of $84 billion. But Tesla's valuation as of midafternoon on Monday, March 3, stood at $955 billion. Hence it's selling at 227 times its 2024 underlying profits (the cap of $955 billion divided by profits of $4.2 billion)—and that's after an historic selloff. Those adjusted earnings, by the way, are less than half the $11 billion, using the same metric, that Tesla recorded in 2022. This vaunted growth juggernaut is actually shrinking as a profitmaker. Investors are baking in tons of extra worth centered on great expectations that Musk will score on robotaxi fleets, and sales of FSV software to existing Tesla owners so they can run their cars like customer-owned Ubers and Lyfts when they're not driving them. That \"Musk Sorcerer\" bounty amounts to the difference, a staggering $873 billion (the $955 billion cap minus Tesla's status quo estimate of $82 billion).Of course, Tesla is the riskiest of stocks, as shown by its wildly careening chart since the election. Investors will want at least a 10% annual return to strap themselves in for the lurching ride. Since Tesla doesn't pay a dividend, reaching that number would require its stock price to double in seven years, from $282 today to around $564. We'll assume the share count remains at today's levels. In that scenario, the market cap would wax twofold as well, hitting $1.91 trillion by early 2032.Grab a quick Scotch. We need to make another assumption to posit the net profits goal seven years from now, and that's the \"ending\" P/E. We'll put the figure at 30, well above the S&P's multidecade average, and a mark that would still tag Tesla as a relative tech sprinter even after staging one of the fastest expansions ever witnessed. The earnings bogey for 2023 is thus $64 billion, the $1.91 billion valuation divided by a P/E of 30.Tesla can't justify its current valuationReaching the \"target\" of $64 billion mandates that profits jump 15-fold from today's $4.2 billion in the seven-year interval. That's a leap of15 times; Tesla's after-tax profits would need to increase at a compound rate of 47% per year. If Musk devotees succeed in driving Tesla stock back to anywhere near the all-time peak notched in December, the bar for future profit growth gets even more outrageous and unvaultable. The average annual earnings increases baked in at the pinnacle valuation of $1.57 trillion: 60% a year. The more Musk followers believe, the more impossible the challenge to reward them appears.The rub is that just when Tesla needs a booster rocket, its engines are fizzling. Last year, its basic total revenues from carmaking rose just $200 million or 0.2% over 2023, meaning they actually fell over two points adjusted for inflation. And this year has started badly: In January 2024 compared to the same amount last year, revenues tumbled 50% in Europe and 11% in China.Musk may succeed in making Tesla a far bigger enterprise by launching fleets of robotaxis to duel Uber and Waymo, and making and selling FSD software to its current owners. But gaining size isn't enough. It will take both loads of new capital investment and huge returns on each dollar Musk plows into new projects for Tesla to sound the horn. It's unclear that Tesla can generate sufficient profits on its own to finance Musk's blueprint. If not, he'll be forced to sell stock and raise debt. The more outside cash he marshals, the tougher his task becomes: As the share count grows, so does the total earnings above $64 billion needed to multiply the share price 15-fold by 2032, the requirement for handing investors less-than-stupendous annual gains of 10%. Musk must secure the huge rates of return on those investments, funded internally and if necessary externally, to furnish the quicksilver profit ramp built into the share price.Therein lies the fantasy. As Musk pours tens of billions into building Tesla-owned robotaxis and obtaining the data-center gear to operate the navigation equipment in the FSV fleets, he'll face plenty of competition from players developing and deploying AI to prosper in exactly the same futuristic ventures. That competition will compress his margins, and slow the flywheel that he effectively claims will keep spinning: a flow of fabulously profitable products that generate hoards of cash to hatch and make more fabulously profitable products. Musk recently claimed Tesla could hike earnings 10-fold in the next five years. He's right in auguring what it will take to reward shareholders. He's just not showing much sign of getting there.As Musk flamboyantly attacks \"fraud, waste, and abuse\" from his perch in the White House, he's short on showing tangible proof from the plant floors in Austin, Berlin, and Shanghai that he's mounted a credible plan. America's \"Music Man\" is still garnering a huge Musk Magic, Oscar-worthy premium for Tesla's shares. As Musk attacks the perceived ills of the U.S. economy, Tesla's woes just keep growing.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":367,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":413077009903912,"gmtCreate":1741881654059,"gmtModify":1741881987117,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Sour grapes stirring shit","listText":"Sour grapes stirring shit","text":"Sour grapes stirring shit","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/413077009903912","repostId":"2519561288","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2519561288","kind":"highlight","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1741880580,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2519561288?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-03-13 23:43","market":"other","language":"en","title":"Trump just bought a Tesla, but many other owners are selling their Musk-made EVs. What's going on?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2519561288","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"There are nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, in a market complicated by politics. Lindy Lowe had one of the rarest perks in the electric-vehicle world: free charging for life.Her gray Tesla Model X, bought in 2019, came with that \"wonderful\" charging deal and a seven-year warranty, she said. Never an Elon Musk fan, Lowe just enjoyed driving her Tesla around the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond. She mostly didn't associate her car with Tesla Inc.'s  chief executive.After the November elections, Lowe said, her husband was ready to sell the car but she held back, in part because of the free charging. Then she saw Musk's post on X, the social-media platform he owns, in early February implying that federal employees don't work hard enough.If some of those Trump supporters are looking for a used Tesla, there will be plenty to choose from. Autotrader.com showed nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, a big increase from just a few months ago.The percent","content":"<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW Trump just bought a Tesla, but many other owners are selling their Musk-made EVs. What's going on?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Claudia Assis and Weston Blasi \n</p>\n<p>\n     There are nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, in a market complicated by politics \n</p>\n<p>\n     Lindy Lowe had one of the rarest perks in the electric-vehicle world: free charging for life. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Her gray Tesla Model X, bought in 2019, came with that \"wonderful\" charging deal and a seven-year warranty, she said. Never an Elon Musk fan, Lowe just enjoyed driving her Tesla around the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond. She mostly didn't associate her car with Tesla Inc.'s <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> chief executive. \n</p>\n<p>\n     After the November elections, Lowe said, her husband was ready to sell the car but she held back, in part because of the free charging. Then she saw Musk's post on X, the social-media platform he owns, in early February implying that federal employees don't work hard enough. \n</p>\n<p>\n     To Lowe, it seemed outrageous and mean-spirited. Driving her Tesla felt like lending \"some kind of tacit support\" to Musk's point of view and his activities leading the so-called Department of Government Efficiency. Soon after, Lowe traded in her Tesla for a Volvo XC90 plug-in hybrid. She has no regrets, she said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     There are many reasons to sell or trade in a car. It is a personal decision, perhaps even more than the decision to buy a car, which can come with some degree of urgency. \n</p>\n<p>\n     With Teslas, however, there is now an undercurrent of politics that is leading some owners to think about selling. Meanwhile, President Donald Trump on Tuesday made good on a promise to buy a Tesla as he showcased a group of them on the South Lawn of the White House. On X, supporters of Trump posted their intention to back Tesla, suggesting that the EV maker could pick up some new buyers. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If some of those Trump supporters are looking for a used Tesla, there will be plenty to choose from. Autotrader.com showed nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, a big increase from just a few months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Mark Schirmer, director of industry insights at Cox Automotive, which owns Autotrader, said that late last year there were some 11,300 used Tesla listings a month. One year earlier, there were about 8,800 used Teslas listed per month. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The increasing number of used Teslas on the market is at least in part related to the number of new Tesla vehicles that have been sold in recent years. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In the U.S., Tesla sales peaked in the third quarter of 2023, when the EV maker sold 166,000 cars, according to Edmunds. (Tesla reports its sales in the aggregate, breaking them down by model only.) That sales spike took place during a steady postpandemic climb and at the start of Tesla's ongoing push for more leases. Some of the Teslas coming off the most popular three-year lease term are hitting the used-car market now. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The percentage of used Teslas on the market is relatively small compared with other car makers, Schirmer said. \"For the size of Tesla - their share of the new market - the volume is growing, but is actually quite low,\" he said. Mazda, a smaller carmaker, has more used-car listings despite its smaller new-car footprint, he said.  \"All we can say for certain,\" he added, is that \"the volume of listings is indeed increasing.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     'The hate is real' \n</p>\n<p>\n     Musk's involvement with DOGE and other aspects of the political sphere, including voicing support for the far right in Europe, has been followed by protests at Tesla facilities, vandalization of Tesla electric vehicles and altercations between protesters and Tesla owners. \n</p>\n<p>\n     But not all Tesla owners who may feel uncomfortable being associated with Musk are selling their EVs. Some are taking less drastic action, like putting bumper stickers on their cars that signal their discontent with Musk's politics. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"The interest in the stickers has been extremely high,\" said Matthew Hiller, who sells Musk-centric stickers on Etsy and has seen demand rise to 500 stickers a day, which sell for $6 to $10. \"I'm getting orders from all over the world, every day. It's not just America who's fed up with Elon.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     In Washington state, one Tesla Cybertruck owner has taken things a step further, putting the badge of rival electric-vehicle maker Rivian <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/RIVN\">$(RIVN)$</a> on his electric truck. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The owner, a 47-year-old self-employed man, requested anonymity because he said he lives in a small town and has faced vitriol toward his truck since the presidential election. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"The hate is real right now,\" he said. \"I expected people to be, 'Gosh, that's an ugly truck,' but I didn't expect people to be like, 'I hate you because of your Cybertruck.'\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     So he bought Rivian badges off Amazon.com and put them on magnets so he could take them on and off. They have been on more than off, he said. He knew most people wouldn't be fooled and mistake a Cybertruck for a Rivian, but some people were getting \"aggressive,\" he said, \"and I just needed some sort of sign that I don't really align with what's going on.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     A rough market for used EVs in general \n</p>\n<p>\n     The issues around used Teslas come amid an overall decline in the prices for used EVs. The price for all used EVs fell 15.1% over the past year, compared with a drop of less than 1% for hybrids and gas-powered cars over the same period, according to a recent iSeeCars study. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"Too many factors are pushing against EVs right now,\" iSeeCars analyst Karl Brauer said. \"Prices remain higher than the equivalent gasoline car, even with government incentives, which are almost assuredly going away.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     People are also less confident about spending today than they were six months ago. \"Anytime you are not as confident and [interest] rates are higher, if you're going to make a big purchase, the more expensive it is, it's going to be difficult,\" Brauer said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Shares of Tesla jumped 91% from Election Day to a Dec. 17 record close of $479.86, but the stock has since lost that \"Trump bump,\" dropping 51% from that high, as investors worry about Musk's involvement with DOGE, his support of far-right causes in Europe - where sales of new Teslas have fallen - the lack of near-term catalysts for the stock, and increased competition in EVs. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Sales of new Teslas in China also have fallen, and on Wednesday Automotive News reported that U.S. registrations for new Teslas fell 11% in January, citing S&amp;P Global Mobility data. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is slated to report first-quarter new-car sales in early April, with the FactSet consensus expecting 430,000 EVs sold, up from 387,000 in the first quarter of 2024. Several investment banks have dialed down their expectations for first-quarter Tesla sales in recent weeks. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Don't miss: Trump's tariffs worry companies. Here's what they're saying about the uncertainty. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Claudia Assis -Weston Blasi \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n</p>\n<pre>\n \n</pre>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  March 13, 2025 11:43 ET (15:43 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Trump just bought a Tesla, but many other owners are selling their Musk-made EVs. 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What's going on?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-03-13 23:43</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW Trump just bought a Tesla, but many other owners are selling their Musk-made EVs. What's going on?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Claudia Assis and Weston Blasi \n</p>\n<p>\n     There are nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, in a market complicated by politics \n</p>\n<p>\n     Lindy Lowe had one of the rarest perks in the electric-vehicle world: free charging for life. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Her gray Tesla Model X, bought in 2019, came with that \"wonderful\" charging deal and a seven-year warranty, she said. Never an Elon Musk fan, Lowe just enjoyed driving her Tesla around the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond. She mostly didn't associate her car with Tesla Inc.'s <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> chief executive. \n</p>\n<p>\n     After the November elections, Lowe said, her husband was ready to sell the car but she held back, in part because of the free charging. Then she saw Musk's post on X, the social-media platform he owns, in early February implying that federal employees don't work hard enough. \n</p>\n<p>\n     To Lowe, it seemed outrageous and mean-spirited. Driving her Tesla felt like lending \"some kind of tacit support\" to Musk's point of view and his activities leading the so-called Department of Government Efficiency. Soon after, Lowe traded in her Tesla for a Volvo XC90 plug-in hybrid. She has no regrets, she said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     There are many reasons to sell or trade in a car. It is a personal decision, perhaps even more than the decision to buy a car, which can come with some degree of urgency. \n</p>\n<p>\n     With Teslas, however, there is now an undercurrent of politics that is leading some owners to think about selling. Meanwhile, President Donald Trump on Tuesday made good on a promise to buy a Tesla as he showcased a group of them on the South Lawn of the White House. On X, supporters of Trump posted their intention to back Tesla, suggesting that the EV maker could pick up some new buyers. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If some of those Trump supporters are looking for a used Tesla, there will be plenty to choose from. Autotrader.com showed nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, a big increase from just a few months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Mark Schirmer, director of industry insights at Cox Automotive, which owns Autotrader, said that late last year there were some 11,300 used Tesla listings a month. One year earlier, there were about 8,800 used Teslas listed per month. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The increasing number of used Teslas on the market is at least in part related to the number of new Tesla vehicles that have been sold in recent years. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In the U.S., Tesla sales peaked in the third quarter of 2023, when the EV maker sold 166,000 cars, according to Edmunds. (Tesla reports its sales in the aggregate, breaking them down by model only.) That sales spike took place during a steady postpandemic climb and at the start of Tesla's ongoing push for more leases. Some of the Teslas coming off the most popular three-year lease term are hitting the used-car market now. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The percentage of used Teslas on the market is relatively small compared with other car makers, Schirmer said. \"For the size of Tesla - their share of the new market - the volume is growing, but is actually quite low,\" he said. Mazda, a smaller carmaker, has more used-car listings despite its smaller new-car footprint, he said.  \"All we can say for certain,\" he added, is that \"the volume of listings is indeed increasing.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     'The hate is real' \n</p>\n<p>\n     Musk's involvement with DOGE and other aspects of the political sphere, including voicing support for the far right in Europe, has been followed by protests at Tesla facilities, vandalization of Tesla electric vehicles and altercations between protesters and Tesla owners. \n</p>\n<p>\n     But not all Tesla owners who may feel uncomfortable being associated with Musk are selling their EVs. Some are taking less drastic action, like putting bumper stickers on their cars that signal their discontent with Musk's politics. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"The interest in the stickers has been extremely high,\" said Matthew Hiller, who sells Musk-centric stickers on Etsy and has seen demand rise to 500 stickers a day, which sell for $6 to $10. \"I'm getting orders from all over the world, every day. It's not just America who's fed up with Elon.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     In Washington state, one Tesla Cybertruck owner has taken things a step further, putting the badge of rival electric-vehicle maker Rivian <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/RIVN\">$(RIVN)$</a> on his electric truck. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The owner, a 47-year-old self-employed man, requested anonymity because he said he lives in a small town and has faced vitriol toward his truck since the presidential election. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"The hate is real right now,\" he said. \"I expected people to be, 'Gosh, that's an ugly truck,' but I didn't expect people to be like, 'I hate you because of your Cybertruck.'\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     So he bought Rivian badges off Amazon.com and put them on magnets so he could take them on and off. They have been on more than off, he said. He knew most people wouldn't be fooled and mistake a Cybertruck for a Rivian, but some people were getting \"aggressive,\" he said, \"and I just needed some sort of sign that I don't really align with what's going on.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     A rough market for used EVs in general \n</p>\n<p>\n     The issues around used Teslas come amid an overall decline in the prices for used EVs. The price for all used EVs fell 15.1% over the past year, compared with a drop of less than 1% for hybrids and gas-powered cars over the same period, according to a recent iSeeCars study. \n</p>\n<p>\n     \"Too many factors are pushing against EVs right now,\" iSeeCars analyst Karl Brauer said. \"Prices remain higher than the equivalent gasoline car, even with government incentives, which are almost assuredly going away.\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     People are also less confident about spending today than they were six months ago. \"Anytime you are not as confident and [interest] rates are higher, if you're going to make a big purchase, the more expensive it is, it's going to be difficult,\" Brauer said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Shares of Tesla jumped 91% from Election Day to a Dec. 17 record close of $479.86, but the stock has since lost that \"Trump bump,\" dropping 51% from that high, as investors worry about Musk's involvement with DOGE, his support of far-right causes in Europe - where sales of new Teslas have fallen - the lack of near-term catalysts for the stock, and increased competition in EVs. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Sales of new Teslas in China also have fallen, and on Wednesday Automotive News reported that U.S. registrations for new Teslas fell 11% in January, citing S&amp;P Global Mobility data. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is slated to report first-quarter new-car sales in early April, with the FactSet consensus expecting 430,000 EVs sold, up from 387,000 in the first quarter of 2024. Several investment banks have dialed down their expectations for first-quarter Tesla sales in recent weeks. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Don't miss: Trump's tariffs worry companies. Here's what they're saying about the uncertainty. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Claudia Assis -Weston Blasi \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n</p>\n<pre>\n \n</pre>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  March 13, 2025 11:43 ET (15:43 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LU2471134796.USD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","LU1674673691.USD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL LOWER CARBON EQUITY \"AD\" (USD) INC","LU0198837287.USD":"UBS (LUX) EQUITY SICAV - USA GROWTH \"P\" (USD) ACC","LU1861215975.USD":"贝莱德新一代科技基金 A2","LU0323591593.USD":"SCHRODER ISF QEP GLOBAL QUALITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0316494557.USD":"FRANKLIN GLOBAL FUNDAMENTAL STRATEGIES \"A\" ACC","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU2471134523.USD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1861220033.SGD":"Blackrock Next Generation Technology A2 SGD-H","LU1861558580.USD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B","LU1778281490.HKD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL LOWER CARBON EQUITY \"AD\" (HKD) INC","LU0820561818.USD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金Cl AM DIS","BK4516":"特朗普概念","LU2602419157.SGD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"AC\" (SGD) ACC","LU1066051225.USD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL EQUITY VOLATILITY FOCUSED \"AC\" (USD) ACC","LU0077335932.USD":"FIDELITY AMERICAN GROWTH \"A\" INC","BK4612":"AI芯片","LU0348723411.USD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL HI-TECH GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","LU1720051108.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU2357305700.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence ET H2-SGD","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares","LU1839511570.USD":"WELLS FARGO GLOBAL FACTOR ENHANCED EQUITY \"I\" (USD) ACC","LU1861559042.SGD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B SGD","LU0053666078.USD":"摩根大通基金-美国股票A（离岸）美元","LU1366192091.USD":"ALLIANZ US EQUITY PLUS \"AM\" (USD) INC","LU0823411888.USD":"法巴消费创新基金 Cap","LU2213496289.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU2360107168.USD":"BGF NEXT GENERATION TECHNOLOGY \"A4\" (USD) INC","LU0719512351.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - US Technology A (acc) SGD","BK4543":"AI","LU2290526834.HKD":"BGF NEXT GENERATION TECHNOLOGY \"A2\" (HKDHDG) ACC","BK4527":"明星科技股","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","BK4588":"碎股","TSYW.SI":"TESLA 3xLongSG261006","LU2249611893.SGD":"BNP PARIBAS ENERGY TRANSITION \"CRH\" (SGD) ACC","SG9999015945.SGD":"LionGlobal Disruptive Innovation Fund A SGD","LU2063271972.USD":"富兰克林创新领域基金","IE00BK4W5L77.USD":"HSBC GLOBAL FUNDS ICAV US EQUITY INDEX \"HC\" (USD) ACC","IE00BK4W5M84.HKD":"HSBC GLOBAL FUNDS ICAV US EQUITY INDEX \"HC\" (HKD) ACC","LU2471134879.HKD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (HKD) INC","LU1145028129.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AQ\" (USD) INC","RIVN":"Rivian Automotive, Inc.","LU0097036916.USD":"贝莱德美国增长A2 USD","LU1066053197.SGD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL EQUITY VOLATILITY FOCUSED \"AM3\" (SGDHDG) INC","BK4511":"特斯拉概念"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2519561288","content_text":"MW Trump just bought a Tesla, but many other owners are selling their Musk-made EVs. What's going on?\n\n\n  By Claudia Assis and Weston Blasi \n\n\n     There are nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, in a market complicated by politics \n\n\n     Lindy Lowe had one of the rarest perks in the electric-vehicle world: free charging for life. \n\n\n     Her gray Tesla Model X, bought in 2019, came with that \"wonderful\" charging deal and a seven-year warranty, she said. Never an Elon Musk fan, Lowe just enjoyed driving her Tesla around the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond. She mostly didn't associate her car with Tesla Inc.'s $(TSLA)$ chief executive. \n\n\n     After the November elections, Lowe said, her husband was ready to sell the car but she held back, in part because of the free charging. Then she saw Musk's post on X, the social-media platform he owns, in early February implying that federal employees don't work hard enough. \n\n\n     To Lowe, it seemed outrageous and mean-spirited. Driving her Tesla felt like lending \"some kind of tacit support\" to Musk's point of view and his activities leading the so-called Department of Government Efficiency. Soon after, Lowe traded in her Tesla for a Volvo XC90 plug-in hybrid. She has no regrets, she said. \n\n\n     There are many reasons to sell or trade in a car. It is a personal decision, perhaps even more than the decision to buy a car, which can come with some degree of urgency. \n\n\n     With Teslas, however, there is now an undercurrent of politics that is leading some owners to think about selling. Meanwhile, President Donald Trump on Tuesday made good on a promise to buy a Tesla as he showcased a group of them on the South Lawn of the White House. On X, supporters of Trump posted their intention to back Tesla, suggesting that the EV maker could pick up some new buyers. \n\n\n     If some of those Trump supporters are looking for a used Tesla, there will be plenty to choose from. Autotrader.com showed nearly 14,000 used Teslas for sale nationwide this week, a big increase from just a few months ago. \n\n\n     Mark Schirmer, director of industry insights at Cox Automotive, which owns Autotrader, said that late last year there were some 11,300 used Tesla listings a month. One year earlier, there were about 8,800 used Teslas listed per month. \n\n\n     The increasing number of used Teslas on the market is at least in part related to the number of new Tesla vehicles that have been sold in recent years. \n\n\n     In the U.S., Tesla sales peaked in the third quarter of 2023, when the EV maker sold 166,000 cars, according to Edmunds. (Tesla reports its sales in the aggregate, breaking them down by model only.) That sales spike took place during a steady postpandemic climb and at the start of Tesla's ongoing push for more leases. Some of the Teslas coming off the most popular three-year lease term are hitting the used-car market now. \n\n\n     The percentage of used Teslas on the market is relatively small compared with other car makers, Schirmer said. \"For the size of Tesla - their share of the new market - the volume is growing, but is actually quite low,\" he said. Mazda, a smaller carmaker, has more used-car listings despite its smaller new-car footprint, he said.  \"All we can say for certain,\" he added, is that \"the volume of listings is indeed increasing.\" \n\n\n     'The hate is real' \n\n\n     Musk's involvement with DOGE and other aspects of the political sphere, including voicing support for the far right in Europe, has been followed by protests at Tesla facilities, vandalization of Tesla electric vehicles and altercations between protesters and Tesla owners. \n\n\n     But not all Tesla owners who may feel uncomfortable being associated with Musk are selling their EVs. Some are taking less drastic action, like putting bumper stickers on their cars that signal their discontent with Musk's politics. \n\n\n     \"The interest in the stickers has been extremely high,\" said Matthew Hiller, who sells Musk-centric stickers on Etsy and has seen demand rise to 500 stickers a day, which sell for $6 to $10. \"I'm getting orders from all over the world, every day. It's not just America who's fed up with Elon.\" \n\n\n     In Washington state, one Tesla Cybertruck owner has taken things a step further, putting the badge of rival electric-vehicle maker Rivian $(RIVN)$ on his electric truck. \n\n\n     The owner, a 47-year-old self-employed man, requested anonymity because he said he lives in a small town and has faced vitriol toward his truck since the presidential election. \n\n\n     \"The hate is real right now,\" he said. \"I expected people to be, 'Gosh, that's an ugly truck,' but I didn't expect people to be like, 'I hate you because of your Cybertruck.'\" \n\n\n     So he bought Rivian badges off Amazon.com and put them on magnets so he could take them on and off. They have been on more than off, he said. He knew most people wouldn't be fooled and mistake a Cybertruck for a Rivian, but some people were getting \"aggressive,\" he said, \"and I just needed some sort of sign that I don't really align with what's going on.\" \n\n\n     A rough market for used EVs in general \n\n\n     The issues around used Teslas come amid an overall decline in the prices for used EVs. The price for all used EVs fell 15.1% over the past year, compared with a drop of less than 1% for hybrids and gas-powered cars over the same period, according to a recent iSeeCars study. \n\n\n     \"Too many factors are pushing against EVs right now,\" iSeeCars analyst Karl Brauer said. \"Prices remain higher than the equivalent gasoline car, even with government incentives, which are almost assuredly going away.\" \n\n\n     People are also less confident about spending today than they were six months ago. \"Anytime you are not as confident and [interest] rates are higher, if you're going to make a big purchase, the more expensive it is, it's going to be difficult,\" Brauer said. \n\n\n     Shares of Tesla jumped 91% from Election Day to a Dec. 17 record close of $479.86, but the stock has since lost that \"Trump bump,\" dropping 51% from that high, as investors worry about Musk's involvement with DOGE, his support of far-right causes in Europe - where sales of new Teslas have fallen - the lack of near-term catalysts for the stock, and increased competition in EVs. \n\n\n     Sales of new Teslas in China also have fallen, and on Wednesday Automotive News reported that U.S. registrations for new Teslas fell 11% in January, citing S&P Global Mobility data. \n\n\n     Tesla is slated to report first-quarter new-car sales in early April, with the FactSet consensus expecting 430,000 EVs sold, up from 387,000 in the first quarter of 2024. Several investment banks have dialed down their expectations for first-quarter Tesla sales in recent weeks. \n\n\n     Don't miss: Trump's tariffs worry companies. Here's what they're saying about the uncertainty. \n\n\n     -Claudia Assis -Weston Blasi \n\n\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones & Co. 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Normally, we'd skip writing a section like this, but TSLA is a very volatile, speculative bet, and many investors look at the financials and see entirely different things. Thus, we think it's necessary, first, to establish how we think about the company.In short, we see TSLA as an advanced manufacturing firm, mostly producing cars. Sure, TSLA also manufactures batteri","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_2350035770\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>We initially rated Tesla, Inc. stock a Sell in November 2023 due to slowing growth and a lofty valuation. From there, the stock fell 31%.</p></li><li><p>Then, we upgraded Tesla in April 2024 after the market appeared too negative on shares. Since, the stock has risen 126%, driven by speculation around Robotaxis and autonomous driving.</p></li><li><p>Now, Tesla appears overvalued again. We recommend trimming TSLA from your portfolio due to overly optimistic projections around “future products”.</p></li><li><p>We&#39;re downgrading TSLA to a Sell.</p></li></ul><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/cdc1cd3d3c3dd57b72a9ddb8d4037dbd\" alt=\"White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.\" title=\"White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span>White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.</span></p><p></p><p>Of all the stocks we&#39;ve covered here on Seeking Alpha, we&#39;re particularly proud of our track record when it comes to <strong>Tesla, Inc.</strong> (NASDAQ:TSLA).</p><p>Our coverage began on the stock in November 2023, when we called the stock a <strong>Sell</strong> based on the company&#39;s slowing growth and lack of progress on key initiatives. At the time, the multiple seemed a bit rich for the company&#39;s output, so we came out as bears:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Tesla: The Range Of Outcomes Is Narrowing; That&#39;s A Bad Thing.</p></li></ul><p>From that point, the stock <strong>fell roughly 31%</strong>, until we upgraded it on April 9th, 2024.</p><p>At that point, shares seemed unduly beat up, in our view, and we upgraded TSLA:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Tesla: When The Time Comes To Buy, You Won&#39;t Want To (Rating Upgrade).</p></li></ul><p>Since then, the stock is <strong>back up roughly 126%</strong>, in which time we put out another bullish article about Robotaxis, arguing that speculation around future gains in autonomous driving and Optimus could drive continued appreciation for investors:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5581c8a7e68cb36fb694d47a44ae5139\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"412\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>All of this is to say that we feel like we have a “good bead” on the company&#39;s valuation and business dynamics.</p><p>From that frame, we feel that the stock has once again become &#39;too expensive&#39;, and it appears as though it could be time, once again, to trim.</p><p><strong>Today</strong>, we&#39;ll cover the recent earnings report, examine the stock&#39;s lofty valuation, and explain why, on balance, we think it&#39;s time to begin pruning TSLA out of your portfolio — at least for now.</p><p>Sound good? Let&#39;s dive in.</p><h2 id=\"id_4071302040\">Our Tesla Framework</h2><p>In case you missed our earlier articles on TSLA, here&#39;s a quick summary of how we see the stock. Normally, we&#39;d skip writing a section like this, but TSLA is a very volatile, <strong>speculative</strong> bet, and many investors look at the financials and see entirely different things. Thus, we think it&#39;s necessary, first, to establish how we think about the company.</p><p>In short, we see TSLA as an advanced manufacturing firm, <strong>mostly</strong> producing cars. Sure, TSLA also manufactures batteries and other components in its <strong>Energy</strong> segment, but at its heart, the firm is an automotive company.</p><p>Why? Because this is where most of TSLA&#39;s financial results are derived. A massive chunk of the company&#39;s revenues come from the automotive segment, which means that this is a natural point of comparison for analysts:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/93a2427e63efa5746b2965c9ceb9e2e4\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"80\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>Thus, when contrasted with competitors, Tesla&#39;s $1.3 trillion valuation can be very challenging to comprehend.</p><p>In our view, this valuation difference vs. peers is largely down to TSLA&#39;s “upcoming” product launches, mainly <strong>full self-drive (“FSD”) &amp; Robotaxis</strong>, and <strong>Optimus</strong> (the robot):</p><blockquote><p></p><p>A significant portion of Tesla&#39;s current value is tied to higher margin, non-automotive, [&#39;future&#39;] products like Robotaxi, Dojo, and Optimus.</p><p>We&#39;d estimate that about 80% of TSLA&#39;s &#39;future product&#39; value is perceived to be in the Robotaxi segment, as it is the closest to &#39;production&#39; and the most natural extension of TSLA&#39;s current business.</p><p>If you take this estimate at face value, then it means [robotaxis are] likely incredibly consequential for <strong>~65% of TSLA&#39;s market cap </strong>or about $500 billion in shareholder value.</p></blockquote><p>This estimate was from October. Since then, TSLA has rallied more than 60% while financial results have largely remained flat, which signals that basically <strong>all of this appreciation</strong> has been due to <strong>investors assigning a higher multiple</strong> to these future product launches.</p><p>For TSLA, we see two main camps within the analyst community. There are those that see the stock as a purely “car” company (and thus, overvalued), and those that see it as an advanced manufacturer of the future, including automated cars, robots, software, energy solutions, and more (which would make it undervalued).</p><p>We sit somewhere in the middle. TSLA is clearly an automotive company right now, but if the company can execute — which they have proven that they can — then there could be significantly more value that gets unlocked for investors in coming years.</p><p>As sentiment around the company shifts, our “middle of the road” understanding gives us a leg up in identifying when things &#39;extend&#39; too far in one direction or the other, which is precisely what we think we see right now.</p><h2 id=\"id_2739569595\">Tesla&#39;s Q4</h2><p>Looking at the most recent quarter, Tesla turned in what most are collectively calling a “stinker.”</p><p>Revenue came in as a massive miss, and the firm&#39;s top-line growth also left much to be desired. EPS also came in below expectations, albeit slightly.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c450991d7c204335d448252a6501dcd8\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"389\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>All in all, it was a pretty dismal showing.</p><p>Of particular note was the company&#39;s considerable drop in TTM net income, which is largely due to TSLA&#39;s car pricing strategy (cutting) having a continued impact on margins:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/ab5185ab57962b8842cdd2391d696294\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"410\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>These tactical pricing changes are meant to keep TSLA car volumes up, but it has put serious pressure on gross margins over time.</p><p>In other words, <strong>competition</strong> is heating up, materializing, and eating into investor&#39;s bottom-line returns:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/2c65e31186dd1af096afe7c1045b3cba\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"302\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>For much of TSLA&#39;s run over the last 5 years, many bulls have argued that the company&#39;s product was differentiated enough to warrant a higher multiple, on the back of structurally higher margins. However, now, this doesn&#39;t appear to be the case.</p><p>Granted, some decline in TTM net income is from the drop-off of a positive Q4 in 2023 which had a huge, unusual tax item, but even adjusted for that, TSLA&#39;s <strong>net income is still down double-digit percentages</strong>.</p><p>Trump&#39;s cutting of EV incentives only presents further headwinds to the business.</p><p>Similarly, TSLA&#39;s profitability would be down <strong>even more</strong> without Bitcoin. As we can see from the 10K, a material percentage of TSLA&#39;s $7.1 billion in net income is from an increase in the fair value of the firm&#39;s total Bitcoin holdings (emphasis added):</p><blockquote><p>Other income (expense), net, changed favorably by <strong>$523 million</strong> in the year ended December 31, 2024 as compared to the year ended December 31, 2023 primarily due to remeasurement of our bitcoin digital assets to fair value in 2024.</p></blockquote><p>Overall, it&#39;s not a pretty picture for the core business.</p><p>Bulls might say that these pricing headwinds are transient, or that the consumer environment is cyclical, but we&#39;d counter by saying <strong>hey, that&#39;s the car business</strong>.</p><p>In other words, maybe Tesla <em>isn&#39;t</em> that different from competitors when it comes to making and selling cars.</p><h2 id=\"id_3009924548\">The Valuation</h2><p>But what is Tesla worth?</p><p>If you slap on car industry averages to Tesla&#39;s financial results, then you&#39;re looking at a P/E of ~7x and a P/S of roughly 0.6x:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/816000a0e759e7a6c468d88f42c1758c\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"176\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>This would output a market cap between roughly ~$49 billion and ~$57 billion. Considering the current market cap of <strong><em>$1.28 trillion</em></strong>, the market clearly doesn&#39;t agree with this framing.</p><p>Looking now at the earnings call, TSLA management heavily, <strong>heavily</strong> focused on the company&#39;s future product lines — mainly Optimus and robotaxis (emphasis added):</p><blockquote><p></p><p>We made many critical investments in 2024 in manufacturing AI and robotics that will bear <strong>immense</strong> fruit in the future, <strong>immense</strong>.</p><p>Like it&#39;s, in fact, to such a scale that it is difficult to comprehend. And I&#39;ve said this before, and I&#39;ll stand by it. I see a path, I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s an easy path, but I see a path for <strong>Tesla being the most valuable company in the world by far</strong>, not even close.</p><p>Like, maybe several times more than, I mean, there is a path where <strong>Tesla is worth more than the next top five companies combined</strong>. There&#39;s a path to that. I mean, I think it&#39;s like an incredibly, just like a difficult path, but it is an achievable path.</p><p>So -- and that is overwhelmingly due to <strong>autonomous vehicles</strong> and autonomous <strong>humanoid robots</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>What a sales pitch!</p><p>To us, <strong>this</strong> makes Tesla&#39;s <em>story</em> “clear.” For investors, this is clearly where the value is coming from. The core business isn&#39;t growing much anymore as the market saturates and competition heats up — fine.</p><p>However, the company&#39;s balance sheet is strong, and as long as there&#39;s serious potential in TSLA&#39;s new businesses, then the stock gets the premium.</p><p>From this point, it&#39;s a “show me” story.</p><p>For our money, investors are too optimistic about this future.</p><p>In our previous article, we laid out what an <strong>incredibly</strong> optimistic bull case for what Robotaxis could be worth, assuming that they launched this year:</p><blockquote><p></p><p>In this model, adoption is slow to start, but quickly scales as users join the network and make their idle Teslas earn while they sleep.</p><p>Again, the demand is the real constraint here, but given the likely lower cost of automated ride hail, it should prove popular with cost-conscious consumers:</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/b20aed07e35218fcce1a3d01c41ccfb0\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"199\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>PropNotes</strong></p><p>In this scenario, we see TSLA earning more per ride, and with a larger network of supply and demand under their control.</p><p>This scenario would represent a 60% upside for the NPV of the robotaxi segment (at a 4% discount rate), which works out to roughly 37% upside for TSLA&#39;s stock.</p><p>This works out to a share price of roughly <strong>$345 per share</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Under this optimistic scenario, robotaxis launch immediately and gain market share quickly. In that case, we&#39;d argue Tesla is maybe worth $345 per share. Currently, the stock is trading at around $400, and robotaxis aren&#39;t expected until June, in a single city (Austin).</p><p>To us, this shows undue optimism, part of which may be caused by statements like this from management around the new product lines (emphasis added):</p><blockquote><p></p><p>I&#39;ve -- some of these things I&#39;ve said for quite a long time and I know people said, well, Elon is the boy who cried wolf-like several times but I&#39;m telling you there&#39;s a damn wolf this time and you can drive it. In fact, it can drive you. <strong>It&#39;s a self-driving wolf</strong>.</p><p>These things that already exist with no incremental cost change, just a software update, now have five times or more utility than they currently have. I think this will be the <strong>largest asset value increase in human history</strong>. Maybe there&#39;s something bigger, but I just don&#39;t know what it is. And so people who look in the rearview mirror are looking for past precedent, except I don&#39;t think there is one.</p><p>I think long-term, Optimus will be -- Optimus has the potential to be north of <strong><em>$10 trillion in revenue</em></strong>. Like, it&#39;s really bananas.</p></blockquote><p>All told, we don&#39;t expect that within a few years&#39; time, TSLA will be raking in 1/10th of global GDP in revenues on a single product alone.</p><h2 id=\"id_3741566877\">Summary</h2><p>Thus, we come to our summary of Tesla.</p><p>At this price, there&#39;s potentially significant value in the company&#39;s future projects, as the market has shown, but at present, the valuation of those projects appears too speculative.</p><p>Overall, this mispricing means that investors should consider selling out of their stakes and waiting to buy lower. If the past is anything to go by, you&#39;ll get your chance to do just that.</p><p>Cheers!</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla: Once Again, It's Time To Trim</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla: Once Again, It's Time To Trim\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-02-02 14:05 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753962-tesla-once-again-time-to-trim-double-rating-downgrade><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryWe initially rated Tesla, Inc. stock a Sell in November 2023 due to slowing growth and a lofty valuation. From there, the stock fell 31%.Then, we upgraded Tesla in April 2024 after the market ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753962-tesla-once-again-time-to-trim-double-rating-downgrade\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753962-tesla-once-again-time-to-trim-double-rating-downgrade","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1175504218","content_text":"SummaryWe initially rated Tesla, Inc. stock a Sell in November 2023 due to slowing growth and a lofty valuation. From there, the stock fell 31%.Then, we upgraded Tesla in April 2024 after the market appeared too negative on shares. Since, the stock has risen 126%, driven by speculation around Robotaxis and autonomous driving.Now, Tesla appears overvalued again. We recommend trimming TSLA from your portfolio due to overly optimistic projections around “future products”.We're downgrading TSLA to a Sell.White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.Of all the stocks we've covered here on Seeking Alpha, we're particularly proud of our track record when it comes to Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA).Our coverage began on the stock in November 2023, when we called the stock a Sell based on the company's slowing growth and lack of progress on key initiatives. At the time, the multiple seemed a bit rich for the company's output, so we came out as bears:Tesla: The Range Of Outcomes Is Narrowing; That's A Bad Thing.From that point, the stock fell roughly 31%, until we upgraded it on April 9th, 2024.At that point, shares seemed unduly beat up, in our view, and we upgraded TSLA:Tesla: When The Time Comes To Buy, You Won't Want To (Rating Upgrade).Since then, the stock is back up roughly 126%, in which time we put out another bullish article about Robotaxis, arguing that speculation around future gains in autonomous driving and Optimus could drive continued appreciation for investors:TSLAAll of this is to say that we feel like we have a “good bead” on the company's valuation and business dynamics.From that frame, we feel that the stock has once again become 'too expensive', and it appears as though it could be time, once again, to trim.Today, we'll cover the recent earnings report, examine the stock's lofty valuation, and explain why, on balance, we think it's time to begin pruning TSLA out of your portfolio — at least for now.Sound good? Let's dive in.Our Tesla FrameworkIn case you missed our earlier articles on TSLA, here's a quick summary of how we see the stock. Normally, we'd skip writing a section like this, but TSLA is a very volatile, speculative bet, and many investors look at the financials and see entirely different things. Thus, we think it's necessary, first, to establish how we think about the company.In short, we see TSLA as an advanced manufacturing firm, mostly producing cars. Sure, TSLA also manufactures batteries and other components in its Energy segment, but at its heart, the firm is an automotive company.Why? Because this is where most of TSLA's financial results are derived. A massive chunk of the company's revenues come from the automotive segment, which means that this is a natural point of comparison for analysts:TSLAThus, when contrasted with competitors, Tesla's $1.3 trillion valuation can be very challenging to comprehend.In our view, this valuation difference vs. peers is largely down to TSLA's “upcoming” product launches, mainly full self-drive (“FSD”) & Robotaxis, and Optimus (the robot):A significant portion of Tesla's current value is tied to higher margin, non-automotive, ['future'] products like Robotaxi, Dojo, and Optimus.We'd estimate that about 80% of TSLA's 'future product' value is perceived to be in the Robotaxi segment, as it is the closest to 'production' and the most natural extension of TSLA's current business.If you take this estimate at face value, then it means [robotaxis are] likely incredibly consequential for ~65% of TSLA's market cap or about $500 billion in shareholder value.This estimate was from October. Since then, TSLA has rallied more than 60% while financial results have largely remained flat, which signals that basically all of this appreciation has been due to investors assigning a higher multiple to these future product launches.For TSLA, we see two main camps within the analyst community. There are those that see the stock as a purely “car” company (and thus, overvalued), and those that see it as an advanced manufacturer of the future, including automated cars, robots, software, energy solutions, and more (which would make it undervalued).We sit somewhere in the middle. TSLA is clearly an automotive company right now, but if the company can execute — which they have proven that they can — then there could be significantly more value that gets unlocked for investors in coming years.As sentiment around the company shifts, our “middle of the road” understanding gives us a leg up in identifying when things 'extend' too far in one direction or the other, which is precisely what we think we see right now.Tesla's Q4Looking at the most recent quarter, Tesla turned in what most are collectively calling a “stinker.”Revenue came in as a massive miss, and the firm's top-line growth also left much to be desired. EPS also came in below expectations, albeit slightly.TSLAAll in all, it was a pretty dismal showing.Of particular note was the company's considerable drop in TTM net income, which is largely due to TSLA's car pricing strategy (cutting) having a continued impact on margins:TSLAThese tactical pricing changes are meant to keep TSLA car volumes up, but it has put serious pressure on gross margins over time.In other words, competition is heating up, materializing, and eating into investor's bottom-line returns:TSLAFor much of TSLA's run over the last 5 years, many bulls have argued that the company's product was differentiated enough to warrant a higher multiple, on the back of structurally higher margins. However, now, this doesn't appear to be the case.Granted, some decline in TTM net income is from the drop-off of a positive Q4 in 2023 which had a huge, unusual tax item, but even adjusted for that, TSLA's net income is still down double-digit percentages.Trump's cutting of EV incentives only presents further headwinds to the business.Similarly, TSLA's profitability would be down even more without Bitcoin. As we can see from the 10K, a material percentage of TSLA's $7.1 billion in net income is from an increase in the fair value of the firm's total Bitcoin holdings (emphasis added):Other income (expense), net, changed favorably by $523 million in the year ended December 31, 2024 as compared to the year ended December 31, 2023 primarily due to remeasurement of our bitcoin digital assets to fair value in 2024.Overall, it's not a pretty picture for the core business.Bulls might say that these pricing headwinds are transient, or that the consumer environment is cyclical, but we'd counter by saying hey, that's the car business.In other words, maybe Tesla isn't that different from competitors when it comes to making and selling cars.The ValuationBut what is Tesla worth?If you slap on car industry averages to Tesla's financial results, then you're looking at a P/E of ~7x and a P/S of roughly 0.6x:TSLAThis would output a market cap between roughly ~$49 billion and ~$57 billion. Considering the current market cap of $1.28 trillion, the market clearly doesn't agree with this framing.Looking now at the earnings call, TSLA management heavily, heavily focused on the company's future product lines — mainly Optimus and robotaxis (emphasis added):We made many critical investments in 2024 in manufacturing AI and robotics that will bear immense fruit in the future, immense.Like it's, in fact, to such a scale that it is difficult to comprehend. And I've said this before, and I'll stand by it. I see a path, I'm not saying it's an easy path, but I see a path for Tesla being the most valuable company in the world by far, not even close.Like, maybe several times more than, I mean, there is a path where Tesla is worth more than the next top five companies combined. There's a path to that. I mean, I think it's like an incredibly, just like a difficult path, but it is an achievable path.So -- and that is overwhelmingly due to autonomous vehicles and autonomous humanoid robots.What a sales pitch!To us, this makes Tesla's story “clear.” For investors, this is clearly where the value is coming from. The core business isn't growing much anymore as the market saturates and competition heats up — fine.However, the company's balance sheet is strong, and as long as there's serious potential in TSLA's new businesses, then the stock gets the premium.From this point, it's a “show me” story.For our money, investors are too optimistic about this future.In our previous article, we laid out what an incredibly optimistic bull case for what Robotaxis could be worth, assuming that they launched this year:In this model, adoption is slow to start, but quickly scales as users join the network and make their idle Teslas earn while they sleep.Again, the demand is the real constraint here, but given the likely lower cost of automated ride hail, it should prove popular with cost-conscious consumers:TSLAPropNotesIn this scenario, we see TSLA earning more per ride, and with a larger network of supply and demand under their control.This scenario would represent a 60% upside for the NPV of the robotaxi segment (at a 4% discount rate), which works out to roughly 37% upside for TSLA's stock.This works out to a share price of roughly $345 per share.Under this optimistic scenario, robotaxis launch immediately and gain market share quickly. In that case, we'd argue Tesla is maybe worth $345 per share. Currently, the stock is trading at around $400, and robotaxis aren't expected until June, in a single city (Austin).To us, this shows undue optimism, part of which may be caused by statements like this from management around the new product lines (emphasis added):I've -- some of these things I've said for quite a long time and I know people said, well, Elon is the boy who cried wolf-like several times but I'm telling you there's a damn wolf this time and you can drive it. In fact, it can drive you. It's a self-driving wolf.These things that already exist with no incremental cost change, just a software update, now have five times or more utility than they currently have. I think this will be the largest asset value increase in human history. Maybe there's something bigger, but I just don't know what it is. And so people who look in the rearview mirror are looking for past precedent, except I don't think there is one.I think long-term, Optimus will be -- Optimus has the potential to be north of $10 trillion in revenue. Like, it's really bananas.All told, we don't expect that within a few years' time, TSLA will be raking in 1/10th of global GDP in revenues on a single product alone.SummaryThus, we come to our summary of Tesla.At this price, there's potentially significant value in the company's future projects, as the market has shown, but at present, the valuation of those projects appears too speculative.Overall, this mispricing means that investors should consider selling out of their stakes and waiting to buy lower. If the past is anything to go by, you'll get your chance to do just that.Cheers!","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":578,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":397462361432488,"gmtCreate":1738062088633,"gmtModify":1738062092847,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Hope Tesla sue u","listText":"Hope Tesla sue u","text":"Hope Tesla sue u","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/397462361432488","repostId":"2506595597","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2506595597","kind":"highlight","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1738059000,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2506595597?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-01-28 18:10","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla Stock Has DeepSeek Risk, Depending on How You Look at It","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2506595597","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"Tesla stock got caught up in theartificial intelligence selloffon Monday. It wasn’t hit like some stocks though. The Chinese upstart DeepSeek, after all, isn’t using AI for what Tesla does.That might ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla stock got caught up in theartificial intelligence selloffon Monday. It wasn’t hit like some stocks though. The Chinese upstart DeepSeek, after all, isn’t using AI for what Tesla does.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That might not be the right conclusion to draw, according to one Wall Street analyst.</p><p>Tesla stock dropped 2.3% on Monday while the Nasdaq Composite fell 3% and Nvidia shares fell almost 17%. Tesla shares fell 0.5% ahead of the open Tuesday.</p><p>The problem was the Chinese AI app DeepSeek. It rose to the top of Apple app downloads over the weekend and appeared to function as well as other AI chatbots such as OpenAI’s ChatGPT despite—allegedly—being developed at a fraction of the cost.</p><p>Tesla, these days, is seen as an AI investment, but it’s spending billions to have its AI computers train cars to drive and humanoid robots to complete tasks typically done by human laborers.</p><p>What DeepSeek shows is that “bigger is no longer better, putting the business model of the pure-play AI foundation model developers in question,” wrote Deutsche Bank analyst Adrian Cox in a Monday report.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The biggest beneficiaries of the AI trade so far have been the companies “hoovering up” Nvidia GPUs—including Tesla. “Elon Musk made waves last year when his artificial intelligence company, xAI, built the Colossus supercomputer in Memphis, Tennessee, in just four months, using more than 100,000 Nvidia H100 GPUs, which typically retail in the region of<br/>$30,000 each,” added Cox.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">XAI is Musk’s AI company. Tesla is spending billions as well on AI computing.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The risk for Tesla—or others investing in AI computing—is that the AI models developed are becoming commodities.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">“You don’t need a Tesla Model X to drive round the corner to pick up a pint of milk. A Chinese BYD may do the job just as well,” is how Cox put it. In other words, Telsa will have more competition with self-driving cars running lower-priced AI models.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That is a relatively glass-half-empty view of AI development in the wake of the DeepSeek shock. AI chatbots don’t operate dangerous machines.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Still, it’s something for Tesla investors to think about as the DeepSeek story unfolds.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Cox doesn’t cover Tesla shares. Analyst Edison Yu covers Tesla stock for Deutsche Bank. He rates share Buy and has a $420 price target for the stock.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla stock was rising 0.5% in premarket trading. S&amp;P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were flat and 0.2% higher, respectively.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Coming into Tuesday trading, Tesla stock fell for five consecutive days. The company is due to report fourth-quarter numbers on Wednesday evening, adding another wrinkle to recent trading.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla Stock Has DeepSeek Risk, Depending on How You Look at It</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla Stock Has DeepSeek Risk, Depending on How You Look at It\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-01-28 18:10</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla stock got caught up in theartificial intelligence selloffon Monday. It wasn’t hit like some stocks though. The Chinese upstart DeepSeek, after all, isn’t using AI for what Tesla does.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That might not be the right conclusion to draw, according to one Wall Street analyst.</p><p>Tesla stock dropped 2.3% on Monday while the Nasdaq Composite fell 3% and Nvidia shares fell almost 17%. Tesla shares fell 0.5% ahead of the open Tuesday.</p><p>The problem was the Chinese AI app DeepSeek. It rose to the top of Apple app downloads over the weekend and appeared to function as well as other AI chatbots such as OpenAI’s ChatGPT despite—allegedly—being developed at a fraction of the cost.</p><p>Tesla, these days, is seen as an AI investment, but it’s spending billions to have its AI computers train cars to drive and humanoid robots to complete tasks typically done by human laborers.</p><p>What DeepSeek shows is that “bigger is no longer better, putting the business model of the pure-play AI foundation model developers in question,” wrote Deutsche Bank analyst Adrian Cox in a Monday report.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The biggest beneficiaries of the AI trade so far have been the companies “hoovering up” Nvidia GPUs—including Tesla. “Elon Musk made waves last year when his artificial intelligence company, xAI, built the Colossus supercomputer in Memphis, Tennessee, in just four months, using more than 100,000 Nvidia H100 GPUs, which typically retail in the region of<br/>$30,000 each,” added Cox.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">XAI is Musk’s AI company. Tesla is spending billions as well on AI computing.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The risk for Tesla—or others investing in AI computing—is that the AI models developed are becoming commodities.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">“You don’t need a Tesla Model X to drive round the corner to pick up a pint of milk. A Chinese BYD may do the job just as well,” is how Cox put it. In other words, Telsa will have more competition with self-driving cars running lower-priced AI models.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That is a relatively glass-half-empty view of AI development in the wake of the DeepSeek shock. AI chatbots don’t operate dangerous machines.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Still, it’s something for Tesla investors to think about as the DeepSeek story unfolds.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Cox doesn’t cover Tesla shares. Analyst Edison Yu covers Tesla stock for Deutsche Bank. He rates share Buy and has a $420 price target for the stock.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla stock was rising 0.5% in premarket trading. S&amp;P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were flat and 0.2% higher, respectively.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Coming into Tuesday trading, Tesla stock fell for five consecutive days. The company is due to report fourth-quarter numbers on Wednesday evening, adding another wrinkle to recent trading.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2506595597","content_text":"Tesla stock got caught up in theartificial intelligence selloffon Monday. It wasn’t hit like some stocks though. The Chinese upstart DeepSeek, after all, isn’t using AI for what Tesla does.That might not be the right conclusion to draw, according to one Wall Street analyst.Tesla stock dropped 2.3% on Monday while the Nasdaq Composite fell 3% and Nvidia shares fell almost 17%. Tesla shares fell 0.5% ahead of the open Tuesday.The problem was the Chinese AI app DeepSeek. It rose to the top of Apple app downloads over the weekend and appeared to function as well as other AI chatbots such as OpenAI’s ChatGPT despite—allegedly—being developed at a fraction of the cost.Tesla, these days, is seen as an AI investment, but it’s spending billions to have its AI computers train cars to drive and humanoid robots to complete tasks typically done by human laborers.What DeepSeek shows is that “bigger is no longer better, putting the business model of the pure-play AI foundation model developers in question,” wrote Deutsche Bank analyst Adrian Cox in a Monday report.The biggest beneficiaries of the AI trade so far have been the companies “hoovering up” Nvidia GPUs—including Tesla. “Elon Musk made waves last year when his artificial intelligence company, xAI, built the Colossus supercomputer in Memphis, Tennessee, in just four months, using more than 100,000 Nvidia H100 GPUs, which typically retail in the region of$30,000 each,” added Cox.XAI is Musk’s AI company. Tesla is spending billions as well on AI computing.The risk for Tesla—or others investing in AI computing—is that the AI models developed are becoming commodities.“You don’t need a Tesla Model X to drive round the corner to pick up a pint of milk. A Chinese BYD may do the job just as well,” is how Cox put it. In other words, Telsa will have more competition with self-driving cars running lower-priced AI models.That is a relatively glass-half-empty view of AI development in the wake of the DeepSeek shock. AI chatbots don’t operate dangerous machines.Still, it’s something for Tesla investors to think about as the DeepSeek story unfolds.Cox doesn’t cover Tesla shares. Analyst Edison Yu covers Tesla stock for Deutsche Bank. He rates share Buy and has a $420 price target for the stock.Tesla stock was rising 0.5% in premarket trading. S&P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were flat and 0.2% higher, respectively.Coming into Tuesday trading, Tesla stock fell for five consecutive days. The company is due to report fourth-quarter numbers on Wednesday evening, adding another wrinkle to recent trading.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":518,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":397462131171856,"gmtCreate":1738062079310,"gmtModify":1738062083038,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Another sour grape","listText":"Another sour grape","text":"Another sour grape","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/397462131171856","repostId":"2506595597","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2506595597","kind":"highlight","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1738059000,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2506595597?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-01-28 18:10","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla Stock Has DeepSeek Risk, Depending on How You Look at It","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2506595597","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"Tesla stock got caught up in theartificial intelligence selloffon Monday. It wasn’t hit like some stocks though. The Chinese upstart DeepSeek, after all, isn’t using AI for what Tesla does.That might ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla stock got caught up in theartificial intelligence selloffon Monday. It wasn’t hit like some stocks though. The Chinese upstart DeepSeek, after all, isn’t using AI for what Tesla does.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That might not be the right conclusion to draw, according to one Wall Street analyst.</p><p>Tesla stock dropped 2.3% on Monday while the Nasdaq Composite fell 3% and Nvidia shares fell almost 17%. Tesla shares fell 0.5% ahead of the open Tuesday.</p><p>The problem was the Chinese AI app DeepSeek. It rose to the top of Apple app downloads over the weekend and appeared to function as well as other AI chatbots such as OpenAI’s ChatGPT despite—allegedly—being developed at a fraction of the cost.</p><p>Tesla, these days, is seen as an AI investment, but it’s spending billions to have its AI computers train cars to drive and humanoid robots to complete tasks typically done by human laborers.</p><p>What DeepSeek shows is that “bigger is no longer better, putting the business model of the pure-play AI foundation model developers in question,” wrote Deutsche Bank analyst Adrian Cox in a Monday report.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The biggest beneficiaries of the AI trade so far have been the companies “hoovering up” Nvidia GPUs—including Tesla. “Elon Musk made waves last year when his artificial intelligence company, xAI, built the Colossus supercomputer in Memphis, Tennessee, in just four months, using more than 100,000 Nvidia H100 GPUs, which typically retail in the region of<br/>$30,000 each,” added Cox.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">XAI is Musk’s AI company. Tesla is spending billions as well on AI computing.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The risk for Tesla—or others investing in AI computing—is that the AI models developed are becoming commodities.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">“You don’t need a Tesla Model X to drive round the corner to pick up a pint of milk. A Chinese BYD may do the job just as well,” is how Cox put it. In other words, Telsa will have more competition with self-driving cars running lower-priced AI models.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That is a relatively glass-half-empty view of AI development in the wake of the DeepSeek shock. AI chatbots don’t operate dangerous machines.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Still, it’s something for Tesla investors to think about as the DeepSeek story unfolds.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Cox doesn’t cover Tesla shares. Analyst Edison Yu covers Tesla stock for Deutsche Bank. He rates share Buy and has a $420 price target for the stock.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla stock was rising 0.5% in premarket trading. S&amp;P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were flat and 0.2% higher, respectively.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Coming into Tuesday trading, Tesla stock fell for five consecutive days. The company is due to report fourth-quarter numbers on Wednesday evening, adding another wrinkle to recent trading.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla Stock Has DeepSeek Risk, Depending on How You Look at It</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla Stock Has DeepSeek Risk, Depending on How You Look at It\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-01-28 18:10</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla stock got caught up in theartificial intelligence selloffon Monday. It wasn’t hit like some stocks though. The Chinese upstart DeepSeek, after all, isn’t using AI for what Tesla does.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That might not be the right conclusion to draw, according to one Wall Street analyst.</p><p>Tesla stock dropped 2.3% on Monday while the Nasdaq Composite fell 3% and Nvidia shares fell almost 17%. Tesla shares fell 0.5% ahead of the open Tuesday.</p><p>The problem was the Chinese AI app DeepSeek. It rose to the top of Apple app downloads over the weekend and appeared to function as well as other AI chatbots such as OpenAI’s ChatGPT despite—allegedly—being developed at a fraction of the cost.</p><p>Tesla, these days, is seen as an AI investment, but it’s spending billions to have its AI computers train cars to drive and humanoid robots to complete tasks typically done by human laborers.</p><p>What DeepSeek shows is that “bigger is no longer better, putting the business model of the pure-play AI foundation model developers in question,” wrote Deutsche Bank analyst Adrian Cox in a Monday report.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The biggest beneficiaries of the AI trade so far have been the companies “hoovering up” Nvidia GPUs—including Tesla. “Elon Musk made waves last year when his artificial intelligence company, xAI, built the Colossus supercomputer in Memphis, Tennessee, in just four months, using more than 100,000 Nvidia H100 GPUs, which typically retail in the region of<br/>$30,000 each,” added Cox.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">XAI is Musk’s AI company. Tesla is spending billions as well on AI computing.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The risk for Tesla—or others investing in AI computing—is that the AI models developed are becoming commodities.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">“You don’t need a Tesla Model X to drive round the corner to pick up a pint of milk. A Chinese BYD may do the job just as well,” is how Cox put it. In other words, Telsa will have more competition with self-driving cars running lower-priced AI models.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That is a relatively glass-half-empty view of AI development in the wake of the DeepSeek shock. AI chatbots don’t operate dangerous machines.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Still, it’s something for Tesla investors to think about as the DeepSeek story unfolds.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Cox doesn’t cover Tesla shares. Analyst Edison Yu covers Tesla stock for Deutsche Bank. He rates share Buy and has a $420 price target for the stock.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Tesla stock was rising 0.5% in premarket trading. S&amp;P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were flat and 0.2% higher, respectively.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Coming into Tuesday trading, Tesla stock fell for five consecutive days. The company is due to report fourth-quarter numbers on Wednesday evening, adding another wrinkle to recent trading.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2506595597","content_text":"Tesla stock got caught up in theartificial intelligence selloffon Monday. It wasn’t hit like some stocks though. The Chinese upstart DeepSeek, after all, isn’t using AI for what Tesla does.That might not be the right conclusion to draw, according to one Wall Street analyst.Tesla stock dropped 2.3% on Monday while the Nasdaq Composite fell 3% and Nvidia shares fell almost 17%. Tesla shares fell 0.5% ahead of the open Tuesday.The problem was the Chinese AI app DeepSeek. It rose to the top of Apple app downloads over the weekend and appeared to function as well as other AI chatbots such as OpenAI’s ChatGPT despite—allegedly—being developed at a fraction of the cost.Tesla, these days, is seen as an AI investment, but it’s spending billions to have its AI computers train cars to drive and humanoid robots to complete tasks typically done by human laborers.What DeepSeek shows is that “bigger is no longer better, putting the business model of the pure-play AI foundation model developers in question,” wrote Deutsche Bank analyst Adrian Cox in a Monday report.The biggest beneficiaries of the AI trade so far have been the companies “hoovering up” Nvidia GPUs—including Tesla. “Elon Musk made waves last year when his artificial intelligence company, xAI, built the Colossus supercomputer in Memphis, Tennessee, in just four months, using more than 100,000 Nvidia H100 GPUs, which typically retail in the region of$30,000 each,” added Cox.XAI is Musk’s AI company. Tesla is spending billions as well on AI computing.The risk for Tesla—or others investing in AI computing—is that the AI models developed are becoming commodities.“You don’t need a Tesla Model X to drive round the corner to pick up a pint of milk. A Chinese BYD may do the job just as well,” is how Cox put it. In other words, Telsa will have more competition with self-driving cars running lower-priced AI models.That is a relatively glass-half-empty view of AI development in the wake of the DeepSeek shock. AI chatbots don’t operate dangerous machines.Still, it’s something for Tesla investors to think about as the DeepSeek story unfolds.Cox doesn’t cover Tesla shares. Analyst Edison Yu covers Tesla stock for Deutsche Bank. He rates share Buy and has a $420 price target for the stock.Tesla stock was rising 0.5% in premarket trading. S&P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were flat and 0.2% higher, respectively.Coming into Tuesday trading, Tesla stock fell for five consecutive days. The company is due to report fourth-quarter numbers on Wednesday evening, adding another wrinkle to recent trading.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":512,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":422218877059344,"gmtCreate":1744106078125,"gmtModify":1744106081866,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Another fake news","listText":"Another fake news","text":"Another fake news","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/422218877059344","repostId":"1153362475","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1153362475","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1744105200,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1153362475?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-04-08 17:40","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Musk Made Direct Appeals to Trump to Reverse Sweeping New Tariffs","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1153362475","media":"The Washington Post","summary":"The world’s richest person, a key Trump adviser and political donor, was ultimately unsuccessful.Elon Musk speaks with President Donald Trump and reporters in the Oval Office on Feb. 11.Over the weeke","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>The world’s richest person, a key Trump adviser and political donor, was ultimately unsuccessful.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/7469706fc17b6dc9c33b9a5cfaa04e73\" alt=\"Elon Musk speaks with President Donald Trump and reporters in the Oval Office on Feb. 11.\" title=\"Elon Musk speaks with President Donald Trump and reporters in the Oval Office on Feb. 11.\" tg-width=\"767\" tg-height=\"511\"/><span>Elon Musk speaks with President Donald Trump and reporters in the Oval Office on Feb. 11.</span></p><p>Over the weekend, as Elon Musk launched into a barrage of social media posts criticizing one of the lead White House advisers for President Donald<strong> </strong>Trump’s aggressive tariff plan, Musk was going over that same official’s head — and<strong> </strong>making personal appeals to Trump.</p><p>The attempted intervention, confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private talks, has not brought success so far; Trump threatened Monday to add new 50 percent tariffs on imports from China to go along with the 34 percent taxes he announced last week. (The president did signal he was open to negotiations on some aspects of his policy.) Musk, meanwhile,<strong> </strong>posted a video to X in which the late conservative<strong> </strong>economist Milton Friedman touted the benefits of international trade cooperation — “the impersonal operation of prices,” as he put it — breaking down the sources of the materials that go into a simple wooden pencil.</p><p>Musk’s break with Trump over a signature administration priority marks the highest-profile disagreement between the president and one of his key advisers, who poured nearly $290 million into backing him and other Republicans in last year’s elections<strong> </strong>and has been leading the U.S. DOGE Service’s cost-cutting efforts since January. Musk has also disagreed with other members of Trump’s coalition on issues such as H1-B visas for skilled immigrants and on DOGE’s approach to government spending.</p><p>On Saturday, Musk took aim at the<strong> </strong>administration official who has been key to developing the tariff plans, White House trade adviser Peter Navarro, lighting into his credentials.</p><p>“A PhD in Econ from Harvard is a bad thing, not a good thing,” Musk wrote.</p><p>Navarro did not respond to a request for comment.</p><p>“The President has put together a remarkable team of highly talented and experienced individuals who bring different ideas to the table, knowing that President Trump is the ultimate decision maker,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement. “When he makes a decision everyone rows in the same direction to execute. That’s why this Administration has done more in two months than the previous Admin did in four years.”</p><p>In an interview with Italian Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini over the weekend, Musk also<strong> </strong>said he would like to see a “free trade zone” between Europe and the United States: “At the end of the day, I hope it’s agreed that both Europe and the United States should move ideally, in my view, to a zero-tariff situation.”</p><p>Musk also said that he would like more freedom for people to move between countries in Europe and the United States and work in either “if they wish.”</p><p>“That has certainly been my advice to the president,” he said.</p><p>Musk, who is chief executive of electric vehicle maker Tesla, has long seen tariffs as detrimental to the business aims of a company that counts both the United States and China as key manufacturing and consumer hubs. Other car manufacturers, though, are likely to be hurt more by the new tariffs, analysts have said.</p><p>But Musk has opposed tariffs since at least Trump’s first term, when Tesla filed a lawsuit seeking to overturn the tax on Tesla’s imports from China to the United States.</p><p>In 2020, top executives at Tesla wanted the company to sue the Trump administration over its tariffs on China. Musk initially agreed, saying that parts of Trump’s package were unfair to the carmaker. But after Tesla filed the lawsuit in September 2020, Musk reacted in a “super negative way” about the decision, even berating some staff members for suggesting Tesla file the suit, according to a person familiar with the matter, because right-wing accounts on Twitter said Musk was trying to curry favor with the Chinese and was going against Trump’s “America First” agenda.</p><p>Many of the business and technology leaders who supported Trump’s<strong> </strong>candidacy were stunned by the president’s decision to go forward with such steep tariffs, and equally disappointed that they weren’t able to exert more influence on the policy, the two people familiar with the matter said. People in Musk’s orbit made direct appeals to friends in the Trump administration, including Vice President JD Vance and Musk, arguing for what they felt were more sensible free trade policies. One Musk friend, investor Joe Lonsdale, posted on X that he had argued to “friends in the administration” in recent days that tariffs would hurt American companies more than Chinese ones. Lonsdale declined to comment about his arguments beyond his X post.</p><p>A group of business leaders worked over the weekend to put together an informal group that would lobby members of the Trump administration for more moderate policies, said one of the people.</p><p>Many supported Trump last year even while knowing that the steep tariffs he had long promised could be destructive to both the tech industry and the economy as a whole, but they felt that Trump could be swayed by advisers such as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent to adopt a softer approach, the people said. The business leaders also did not anticipate that Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, who had been one of Musk’s key conduits into Trump’s orbit, would be such a strong advocate of protectionist polices.</p><p>The dispute between the president and one of his most influential advisers comes just weeks before Musk,<strong> </strong>the world’s richest person, is expected to depart his post in the administration. It also comes amid increasing pressure on Tesla to reverse signs of slumping demand — prompted in part by Musk’s foray into politics.</p><p>“The backlash from Trump tariff policies in China and Musk’s association will be hard to understate,” said Dan Ives, analyst with Wedbush Securities, an enthusiastic Tesla backer who lowered Tesla’s stock price target — a measure of its viability — from $550 to $315 “to reflect these new softer demand estimates.”</p><p>“Tesla has essentially become a political symbol globally … and that is a very bad thing for the future of this disruptive tech stalwart and the brand crisis tornado that has now turned into an F5 tornado,” he wrote.</p><p>Tesla stock closed at $233.29 per share Monday, down more than 2.5 percent. So far this year, the stock has lost more than 38 percent of its value.</p><p>Musk showed signs of attempting reconciliation later Monday. He touted an X thread from the official U.S. trade representative account highlighting what it called unfair trade practices affecting American exporters, in light of Trump’s tariffs. “Good points,” Musk said.</p><p>Musk’s brother and fellow Tesla board member Kimbal Musk also<strong> </strong>lobbed sharp criticism at the president over the tariff policies Monday.</p><p>“Who would have thought that Trump was actually the most high tax American President in generations,” he wrote on X, the social media site Elon Musk owns. “Through his tariff strategy, Trump has implemented a structural, permanent tax on the American consumer.”</p><p>The remarks came less than a month after Kimbal Musk had thanked Trump for hosting an event featuring Teslas on the White House lawn.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1602754136468","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Musk Made Direct Appeals to Trump to Reverse Sweeping New Tariffs</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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Trump threatened Monday to add new 50 percent tariffs on imports from China to go along with the 34 percent taxes he announced last week. (The president did signal he was open to negotiations on some aspects of his policy.) Musk, meanwhile, posted a video to X in which the late conservative economist Milton Friedman touted the benefits of international trade cooperation — “the impersonal operation of prices,” as he put it — breaking down the sources of the materials that go into a simple wooden pencil.Musk’s break with Trump over a signature administration priority marks the highest-profile disagreement between the president and one of his key advisers, who poured nearly $290 million into backing him and other Republicans in last year’s elections and has been leading the U.S. DOGE Service’s cost-cutting efforts since January. Musk has also disagreed with other members of Trump’s coalition on issues such as H1-B visas for skilled immigrants and on DOGE’s approach to government spending.On Saturday, Musk took aim at the administration official who has been key to developing the tariff plans, White House trade adviser Peter Navarro, lighting into his credentials.“A PhD in Econ from Harvard is a bad thing, not a good thing,” Musk wrote.Navarro did not respond to a request for comment.“The President has put together a remarkable team of highly talented and experienced individuals who bring different ideas to the table, knowing that President Trump is the ultimate decision maker,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement. “When he makes a decision everyone rows in the same direction to execute. That’s why this Administration has done more in two months than the previous Admin did in four years.”In an interview with Italian Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini over the weekend, Musk also said he would like to see a “free trade zone” between Europe and the United States: “At the end of the day, I hope it’s agreed that both Europe and the United States should move ideally, in my view, to a zero-tariff situation.”Musk also said that he would like more freedom for people to move between countries in Europe and the United States and work in either “if they wish.”“That has certainly been my advice to the president,” he said.Musk, who is chief executive of electric vehicle maker Tesla, has long seen tariffs as detrimental to the business aims of a company that counts both the United States and China as key manufacturing and consumer hubs. Other car manufacturers, though, are likely to be hurt more by the new tariffs, analysts have said.But Musk has opposed tariffs since at least Trump’s first term, when Tesla filed a lawsuit seeking to overturn the tax on Tesla’s imports from China to the United States.In 2020, top executives at Tesla wanted the company to sue the Trump administration over its tariffs on China. Musk initially agreed, saying that parts of Trump’s package were unfair to the carmaker. But after Tesla filed the lawsuit in September 2020, Musk reacted in a “super negative way” about the decision, even berating some staff members for suggesting Tesla file the suit, according to a person familiar with the matter, because right-wing accounts on Twitter said Musk was trying to curry favor with the Chinese and was going against Trump’s “America First” agenda.Many of the business and technology leaders who supported Trump’s candidacy were stunned by the president’s decision to go forward with such steep tariffs, and equally disappointed that they weren’t able to exert more influence on the policy, the two people familiar with the matter said. People in Musk’s orbit made direct appeals to friends in the Trump administration, including Vice President JD Vance and Musk, arguing for what they felt were more sensible free trade policies. One Musk friend, investor Joe Lonsdale, posted on X that he had argued to “friends in the administration” in recent days that tariffs would hurt American companies more than Chinese ones. Lonsdale declined to comment about his arguments beyond his X post.A group of business leaders worked over the weekend to put together an informal group that would lobby members of the Trump administration for more moderate policies, said one of the people.Many supported Trump last year even while knowing that the steep tariffs he had long promised could be destructive to both the tech industry and the economy as a whole, but they felt that Trump could be swayed by advisers such as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent to adopt a softer approach, the people said. The business leaders also did not anticipate that Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, who had been one of Musk’s key conduits into Trump’s orbit, would be such a strong advocate of protectionist polices.The dispute between the president and one of his most influential advisers comes just weeks before Musk, the world’s richest person, is expected to depart his post in the administration. It also comes amid increasing pressure on Tesla to reverse signs of slumping demand — prompted in part by Musk’s foray into politics.“The backlash from Trump tariff policies in China and Musk’s association will be hard to understate,” said Dan Ives, analyst with Wedbush Securities, an enthusiastic Tesla backer who lowered Tesla’s stock price target — a measure of its viability — from $550 to $315 “to reflect these new softer demand estimates.”“Tesla has essentially become a political symbol globally … and that is a very bad thing for the future of this disruptive tech stalwart and the brand crisis tornado that has now turned into an F5 tornado,” he wrote.Tesla stock closed at $233.29 per share Monday, down more than 2.5 percent. So far this year, the stock has lost more than 38 percent of its value.Musk showed signs of attempting reconciliation later Monday. He touted an X thread from the official U.S. trade representative account highlighting what it called unfair trade practices affecting American exporters, in light of Trump’s tariffs. “Good points,” Musk said.Musk’s brother and fellow Tesla board member Kimbal Musk also lobbed sharp criticism at the president over the tariff policies Monday.“Who would have thought that Trump was actually the most high tax American President in generations,” he wrote on X, the social media site Elon Musk owns. “Through his tariff strategy, Trump has implemented a structural, permanent tax on the American consumer.”The remarks came less than a month after Kimbal Musk had thanked Trump for hosting an event featuring Teslas on the White House lawn.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":295,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":416755323322408,"gmtCreate":1742755163913,"gmtModify":1742770392744,"author":{"id":"4109249043338710","authorId":"4109249043338710","name":"ARTOTLE","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6860a85d94cbf481e7013b59d23cb50f","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4109249043338710","authorIdStr":"4109249043338710"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Go F ur mother&nbsp;","listText":"Go F ur mother&nbsp;","text":"Go F ur mother","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/416755323322408","repostId":"2521207916","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2521207916","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1742734800,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2521207916?lang=&edition=full_marsco","pubTime":"2025-03-23 21:00","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Everyone’s missing the point of the Tesla Vision vs. LiDAR Wile E Coyote video","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2521207916","media":"Electrek","summary":"A video came out last week comparing two approaches to autonomous vehicles: cameras and LiDAR. The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.","content":"<html><body><div>\n<figure>\n<img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" height=\"834\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1600\" srcset=\"https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=320&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 320w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=640&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 640w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1024&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1500&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1500w\" width=\"1600\"/></figure>\n<p>A video came out last week comparing two approaches to autonomous vehicles: cameras and LiDAR. The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.</p>\n<span></span>\n<p>The video was posted by YouTuber Mark Rober, who typically does science &amp; engineering related stunts. It was essentially a comparison test between Tesla’s camera-only autopilot/FSD system and LiDAR systems, with the LiDAR vehicle running Luminar’s system.</p>\n<p>The experiment tested whether the cars could react to seeing a child in the road in six circumstances: standing, running into the road by surprise, fog, rain, bright lights, and standing behind a comical Wile E. Coyote style wall with a picture of a road painted on it.</p>\n<p>Clearly, one of these things is not like the others. Five of the tests gave us potentially meaningful results about the world around us, and the sixth was just for fun.</p> <span>Advertisement - scroll for more content</span>\n<div>\n</div>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-16-at-12.25.18%E2%80%AFPM-1.png?w=1024\"/></figure>\n<p>The test results showed the LiDAR doing better overall, primarily due to its better performance in fog and rain. But each vehicle produced impressive results on some of the tests – like the child jumping out in front of the car and the bright lights tests, both of which seemed quite difficult (the latter especially for a vision system).</p>\n<p>But even in the rain and fog tests, these were quite biblical levels of rain and fog. For more realistic light fog or lighter rain, the cameras likely would have fared better.</p>\n<p>There are a few other downsides of vision-only, such as that it can have trouble looking into lights (though it did well in the bright light test), and Tesla has in the past had a hard time with crossing trucks or overpasses being hard to distinguish from billboards, both of which can be solved with the ranging functions of LiDAR or radar.</p>\n<p>So all told, these results track with the technical limitations of cameras when compared to LiDAR. Since cameras are passive and LiDAR is active (sending out laser pulses to reflect off of objects), LiDAR is able to “see through” certain things that cameras can’t.</p>\n<p>And this is a debate which EV fans have heard plenty about – it’s the fundamental difference between Tesla’s approach and the approach of just about everyone else. Tesla is going vision-only, but most other companies are using a hybrid approach with some mix of vision, LiDAR, radar, ultrasonics, etc.</p>\n<p>Tesla actually did used to have sensors other than vision, as early Tesla cars had radar in addition to cameras. But CEO Elon Musk directed the company to remove radar (over the objection of engineers) because he figures if humans can drive with two eyes and no lasers, cameras should be able to do the same. (He isn’t alone, though – Andrej Karpathy, Tesla’s former head of AI and a well respected person in the field, agrees that vision-only is the right approach).</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"600\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg 1200w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=150,75 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=300,150 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=768,384 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=1024,512 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=350,175 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=140,70 140w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=290,145 290w\" width=\"1200\"/></figure>\n<p>So the tests showed us that LiDAR has some capability that vision doesn’t, but we already knew that. What are the benefits of vision-only?</p>\n<p>First, there are clear advantages on cost and complexity, because you need less sensing equipment. LiDAR has been expensive, though costs are dropping rapidly, so this may be less of a factor going forward.</p>\n<p>Also, LiDAR sensors used to be huge spinning rigs attached to vehicles, but now they often take the form of a “taxi bump” that looks a bit like a taxi light on the top of the car, just above the windshield – but this still does restrict the design of a vehicle and a lot of people don’t like the look.</p>\n<p>Second, vision-only could potentially make for a simpler software solution because you don’t have to reconcile the input from multiple sensing methods to figure out the reality in front of you.</p>\n<p>This is something that held Tesla back in the early days of vision + radar, because there were a lot of false positives and negatives from weird situations (e.g. curved metal objects like soda cans could look bigger than they should, stationary vehicles were hard to distinguish, etc.). While the data was more robust because there were multiple sensing methods, it was proving itself harder to interpret.</p>\n<p>And, while it’s not an inherent benefit of vision-only, the specific benefit for Tesla is that the company has a LOT of vision data it can use for training. This is a big advantage that it has over every other company by several orders of magnitude, since millions of Teslas have been driving around collecting data for years now, whereas companies like Waymo only have a few hundred cars.</p>\n<p>So, we know a bit about the differences in technology, their strengths and weaknesses, and the long-time industry debate that motivated this test. Nothing seems all that unreasonable about what we’ve heard so far, and the test turned out about as expected. There’s still an open question over what the best path forward is, though the general consensus is that more sensing data is better than less, and that Tesla is making a risky move with its vision-only system.</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1358\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2922px) 100vw, 2922px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg 2922w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=150,70 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=300,139 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=768,357 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1024,476 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1536,714 1536w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=2048,952 2048w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=350,163 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=140,65 140w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1600,744 1600w\" width=\"2922\"/></figure>\n<p>So, why so much drama?</p>\n<p>Okay, well, it’s the internet. So that’s reason number one. Everyone else here is chasing the same thing Rober chases: views. And so that’s probably the only thing we need to say, alright, article over, moving on.</p>\n<p>…. But no, really. The actual drama is over the differentiation between “Autopilot” and “Full Self-Driving,” and over the behavior of Teslas when activating or deactivating the system, specifically on the headline “Wile E. Coyote” test.</p>\n<p>Most discussion has focused on this particular test, because, well, it’s the most fun one. Rober is one of the most popular YouTubers on the planet, after all, so he should know a thing or two about how to make a compelling video (and the intro sentence of the video is quite a doozy):</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"174\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1120px) 100vw, 1120px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg 1120w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=150,23 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=300,47 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=768,119 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=1024,159 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=350,54 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=140,22 140w\" width=\"1120\"/></figure>\n<p>As Rober said in the very first line of the video, he had his Tesla on Autopilot, not Full Self-Driving, during this test.</p>\n<p>Some criticism has focused on the title of the video, which is “Can You Fool A Self Driving Car?”, suggesting that the test would use Tesla’s “Self-Driving” system.</p>\n<p>These are two separate systems, and FSD is more sophisticated than Autopilot. However, Autopilot has long <em>colloquially</em> been referred to as self-driving (often to the chagrin of Tesla defenders), and while Tesla does refer to FSD as “self-driving,” it very much isn’t. Both of the systems are classed as “level 2,” which means the driver is still responsible for the vehicle at all times, even though FSD can be activated in more situations than Autopilot. And many more Teslas have Autopilot than FSD, so it makes sense to test the more common one.</p>\n<p>Luminar’s LiDAR <em>can</em> be “self-driving,” insofar as there are level 3+ systems that use Luminar’s sensing technology (such as Mercedes’ DRIVE PILOT).</p>\n<p>So the title is not technically incorrect, does use similar colloquialisms in both cases, and is, after all, <em>a youtube video</em>, and we’re all hopefully aware of how YouTube titles need to be crafted to fit Google’s algorithm and hopefully can get beyond the title and into the literal first frame of the video for the more accurate description of what’s happening here.</p>\n<p>And we’ve covered a final criticism before, which is a screenshot showing that Rober didn’t have the system active in the video. This is previously-documented as “normal” Autopilot behavior, where the system turns itself off about a second before a definite crash. The screenshots were taken during this second. Rober also responded mentioning that the video used different takes to keep it compelling, and posted the full uncut footage on Twitter.</p>\n<p>Another criticism focuses on the subsequent stock surge seen by Luminar (LAZR). The company’s stock went up from 5.05 to 8.35 over the course of the week after the video, a rise of 65%. This has raised some eyebrows, but I expect that the main explanation here is that prior to the video, only pretty dedicated EV/self-driving folks knew about Luminar, and now it’s been exposed to people associated with the most traded stock on the planet for several years running, TSLA. This is naturally going to drive a ton of volume to a small stock (with ~0.03% of TSLA’s market cap).</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"766\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1380px) 100vw, 1380px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg 1380w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=150,83 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=300,167 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=768,426 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=1024,568 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=350,194 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=140,78 140w\" width=\"1380\"/></figure>\n<p>We’ve also seen others trying to recreate the video, some with more success for the Tesla.</p>\n<p>But these criticisms focus mainly on the Wile E. Coyote test, which everyone acknowledges is not a realistic situation. That test was for the youtube video – the real meat of it was the other 5 tests that actually could happen in the real world.</p>\n<p>And even on those 5 tests, people are getting overexcited about the differences shown. The fog and water were both significantly heavier than what would most often be experienced in real life. In more “real world” weather circumstances, a camera may have worked plenty well enough (assuming the cameras aren’t obscured by water or condensation – which is certainly an issue). And if the inclement weather <em>is</em> as bad as shown in the video – maybe it’s time to stay home (or, uh, head straight to the hurricane evacuation center).</p>\n<div>\n<h2>Top comment by Jayson Osmars</h2>\n<span>\n<svg aria-hidden=\"true\" fill=\"none\" height=\"14\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 14\" width=\"13\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\"><path clip-rule=\"evenodd\" d=\"m7 10.963 4.326 2.537-1.148-4.781L14 5.5l-5.033-.414L7 .577l-1.967 4.51L0 5.5 3.822 8.72 2.674 13.5z\" fill=\"url(#a)\" fill-rule=\"evenodd\"></path><defs><lineargradient gradientunits=\"userSpaceOnUse\" x2=\"14\" y2=\"6.95\"><stop stop-color=\"#02BAF4\"></stop><stop offset=\"1\" stop-color=\"#00D99A\"></stop></lineargradient></defs></svg>Liked by 14 people\t\t</span>\n<div>\n<p>One thing missing in the testing which I doubt they could replicate is the common snowstorms in the northern states and Canada.</p><p>The cameras would get insured and covered up in no time.  Then slush and road salt grime would coat the car covering the cameras.</p><p>In winter conditions, lidar/radar is the best safest way for self driving.  It's no contest.</p> </div>\nView all comments\n</div>\n<p>All in all, it felt like a fun test for a YouTube video, which described technology in a simple way to a crowd that hadn’t heard about it, was generally accurate about the strengths and weaknesses of the compared systems, but just overstated a lot of things “for content.”</p>\n<p>There’s a discussion to be had there about content requiring more and more extreme stunts these days to be compelling, but the level of the reaction has gone well overboard. But then, that’s to be expected for anything on the internet, especially about Tesla.</p>\n<p>And the discussion over which approach is correct will continue – companies like Luminar think that LiDAR is superior, and Tesla thinks cameras are enough. Time will tell who’s right, but most professionals in the field tend to place their bets on the former, rather than the latter.</p>\n<hr/>\n<p><em>Charge your electric vehicle at home using rooftop solar panels. Find a reliable and competitively priced solar installer near you on </em><em>EnergySage</em><em>, for free. They have pre-vetted installers competing for your business, ensuring high-quality solutions and 20-30% savings. It’s free, with no sales calls until you choose an installer. Compare personalized solar quotes online and receive guidance from unbiased Energy Advisers. 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The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://electrek.co/2025/03/23/everyones-missing-the-point-of-the-tesla-vision-vs-lidar-wile-e-coyote-video/\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1600","relate_stocks":{"LU0943347566.SGD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金AM H2-SGD","BK4534":"瑞士信贷持仓","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","LU2357305700.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence ET H2-SGD","BK4533":"AQR资本管理(全球第二大对冲基金)","LU1429558221.USD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity RA USD","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU1435385759.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity RA SGD-H","LU0823411888.USD":"法巴消费创新基金 Cap","LU2213496289.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU0082616367.USD":"摩根大通美国科技A（dist）","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","LU0964807845.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME & GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4588":"碎股","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","BK4537":"激光雷达概念","LU0234572021.USD":"高盛美国核心股票组合Acc","LU0820561909.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AM\" (HKD) INC","LU2249611893.SGD":"BNP PARIBAS ENERGY TRANSITION \"CRH\" (SGD) ACC","LU0820562030.AUD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMH2\" (AUDHDG) H2 INC","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","BK4574":"无人驾驶","LU2063271972.USD":"富兰克林创新领域基金","SG9999015986.USD":"LIONGLOBAL DISRUPTIVE INNOVATION \"I\" (USD) ACC","LU2471134879.HKD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (HKD) INC","LU0823414478.USD":"法巴经典能源转换基金","IE00BK4W5M84.HKD":"HSBC GLOBAL FUNDS ICAV US EQUITY INDEX \"HC\" (HKD) ACC","LU0466842654.USD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1145028129.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AQ\" (USD) INC","SG9999015978.USD":"利安颠覆性创新基金A","LU1066053197.SGD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL EQUITY VOLATILITY FOCUSED \"AM3\" (SGDHDG) INC","LU0345769128.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU2326559502.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity P/A SGD-H","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","LU2750360641.GBP":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (GBPHDG) INC","LU1778281490.HKD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL LOWER CARBON EQUITY \"AD\" (HKD) INC","LU0345769631.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL EQUITY \"A\" (USD) INC","LU2750360997.AUD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (AUDHDG) INC","LU0820561818.USD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金Cl AM DIS","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares","LU2602419157.SGD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"AC\" (SGD) ACC","BK4516":"特朗普概念","IE0034235303.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US RESEARCH ENHANCED CORE EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4612":"AI芯片","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","TSYW.SI":"TESLA 3xLongSG261006","LU0348723411.USD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL HI-TECH GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","LU1720051108.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE \"AT\" (HKD) ACC"},"source_url":"https://electrek.co/2025/03/23/everyones-missing-the-point-of-the-tesla-vision-vs-lidar-wile-e-coyote-video/","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2521207916","content_text":"A video came out last week comparing two approaches to autonomous vehicles: cameras and LiDAR. The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.\n\nThe video was posted by YouTuber Mark Rober, who typically does science & engineering related stunts. It was essentially a comparison test between Tesla’s camera-only autopilot/FSD system and LiDAR systems, with the LiDAR vehicle running Luminar’s system.\nThe experiment tested whether the cars could react to seeing a child in the road in six circumstances: standing, running into the road by surprise, fog, rain, bright lights, and standing behind a comical Wile E. Coyote style wall with a picture of a road painted on it.\nClearly, one of these things is not like the others. Five of the tests gave us potentially meaningful results about the world around us, and the sixth was just for fun. Advertisement - scroll for more content\n\n\n\nThe test results showed the LiDAR doing better overall, primarily due to its better performance in fog and rain. But each vehicle produced impressive results on some of the tests – like the child jumping out in front of the car and the bright lights tests, both of which seemed quite difficult (the latter especially for a vision system).\nBut even in the rain and fog tests, these were quite biblical levels of rain and fog. For more realistic light fog or lighter rain, the cameras likely would have fared better.\nThere are a few other downsides of vision-only, such as that it can have trouble looking into lights (though it did well in the bright light test), and Tesla has in the past had a hard time with crossing trucks or overpasses being hard to distinguish from billboards, both of which can be solved with the ranging functions of LiDAR or radar.\nSo all told, these results track with the technical limitations of cameras when compared to LiDAR. Since cameras are passive and LiDAR is active (sending out laser pulses to reflect off of objects), LiDAR is able to “see through” certain things that cameras can’t.\nAnd this is a debate which EV fans have heard plenty about – it’s the fundamental difference between Tesla’s approach and the approach of just about everyone else. Tesla is going vision-only, but most other companies are using a hybrid approach with some mix of vision, LiDAR, radar, ultrasonics, etc.\nTesla actually did used to have sensors other than vision, as early Tesla cars had radar in addition to cameras. But CEO Elon Musk directed the company to remove radar (over the objection of engineers) because he figures if humans can drive with two eyes and no lasers, cameras should be able to do the same. (He isn’t alone, though – Andrej Karpathy, Tesla’s former head of AI and a well respected person in the field, agrees that vision-only is the right approach).\n\nSo the tests showed us that LiDAR has some capability that vision doesn’t, but we already knew that. What are the benefits of vision-only?\nFirst, there are clear advantages on cost and complexity, because you need less sensing equipment. LiDAR has been expensive, though costs are dropping rapidly, so this may be less of a factor going forward.\nAlso, LiDAR sensors used to be huge spinning rigs attached to vehicles, but now they often take the form of a “taxi bump” that looks a bit like a taxi light on the top of the car, just above the windshield – but this still does restrict the design of a vehicle and a lot of people don’t like the look.\nSecond, vision-only could potentially make for a simpler software solution because you don’t have to reconcile the input from multiple sensing methods to figure out the reality in front of you.\nThis is something that held Tesla back in the early days of vision + radar, because there were a lot of false positives and negatives from weird situations (e.g. curved metal objects like soda cans could look bigger than they should, stationary vehicles were hard to distinguish, etc.). While the data was more robust because there were multiple sensing methods, it was proving itself harder to interpret.\nAnd, while it’s not an inherent benefit of vision-only, the specific benefit for Tesla is that the company has a LOT of vision data it can use for training. This is a big advantage that it has over every other company by several orders of magnitude, since millions of Teslas have been driving around collecting data for years now, whereas companies like Waymo only have a few hundred cars.\nSo, we know a bit about the differences in technology, their strengths and weaknesses, and the long-time industry debate that motivated this test. Nothing seems all that unreasonable about what we’ve heard so far, and the test turned out about as expected. There’s still an open question over what the best path forward is, though the general consensus is that more sensing data is better than less, and that Tesla is making a risky move with its vision-only system.\n\nSo, why so much drama?\nOkay, well, it’s the internet. So that’s reason number one. Everyone else here is chasing the same thing Rober chases: views. And so that’s probably the only thing we need to say, alright, article over, moving on.\n…. But no, really. The actual drama is over the differentiation between “Autopilot” and “Full Self-Driving,” and over the behavior of Teslas when activating or deactivating the system, specifically on the headline “Wile E. Coyote” test.\nMost discussion has focused on this particular test, because, well, it’s the most fun one. Rober is one of the most popular YouTubers on the planet, after all, so he should know a thing or two about how to make a compelling video (and the intro sentence of the video is quite a doozy):\n\nAs Rober said in the very first line of the video, he had his Tesla on Autopilot, not Full Self-Driving, during this test.\nSome criticism has focused on the title of the video, which is “Can You Fool A Self Driving Car?”, suggesting that the test would use Tesla’s “Self-Driving” system.\nThese are two separate systems, and FSD is more sophisticated than Autopilot. However, Autopilot has long colloquially been referred to as self-driving (often to the chagrin of Tesla defenders), and while Tesla does refer to FSD as “self-driving,” it very much isn’t. Both of the systems are classed as “level 2,” which means the driver is still responsible for the vehicle at all times, even though FSD can be activated in more situations than Autopilot. And many more Teslas have Autopilot than FSD, so it makes sense to test the more common one.\nLuminar’s LiDAR can be “self-driving,” insofar as there are level 3+ systems that use Luminar’s sensing technology (such as Mercedes’ DRIVE PILOT).\nSo the title is not technically incorrect, does use similar colloquialisms in both cases, and is, after all, a youtube video, and we’re all hopefully aware of how YouTube titles need to be crafted to fit Google’s algorithm and hopefully can get beyond the title and into the literal first frame of the video for the more accurate description of what’s happening here.\nAnd we’ve covered a final criticism before, which is a screenshot showing that Rober didn’t have the system active in the video. This is previously-documented as “normal” Autopilot behavior, where the system turns itself off about a second before a definite crash. The screenshots were taken during this second. Rober also responded mentioning that the video used different takes to keep it compelling, and posted the full uncut footage on Twitter.\nAnother criticism focuses on the subsequent stock surge seen by Luminar (LAZR). The company’s stock went up from 5.05 to 8.35 over the course of the week after the video, a rise of 65%. This has raised some eyebrows, but I expect that the main explanation here is that prior to the video, only pretty dedicated EV/self-driving folks knew about Luminar, and now it’s been exposed to people associated with the most traded stock on the planet for several years running, TSLA. This is naturally going to drive a ton of volume to a small stock (with ~0.03% of TSLA’s market cap).\n\nWe’ve also seen others trying to recreate the video, some with more success for the Tesla.\nBut these criticisms focus mainly on the Wile E. Coyote test, which everyone acknowledges is not a realistic situation. That test was for the youtube video – the real meat of it was the other 5 tests that actually could happen in the real world.\nAnd even on those 5 tests, people are getting overexcited about the differences shown. The fog and water were both significantly heavier than what would most often be experienced in real life. In more “real world” weather circumstances, a camera may have worked plenty well enough (assuming the cameras aren’t obscured by water or condensation – which is certainly an issue). And if the inclement weather is as bad as shown in the video – maybe it’s time to stay home (or, uh, head straight to the hurricane evacuation center).\n\nTop comment by Jayson Osmars\n\nLiked by 14 people\t\t\n\nOne thing missing in the testing which I doubt they could replicate is the common snowstorms in the northern states and Canada.The cameras would get insured and covered up in no time.  Then slush and road salt grime would coat the car covering the cameras.In winter conditions, lidar/radar is the best safest way for self driving.  It's no contest. \nView all comments\n\nAll in all, it felt like a fun test for a YouTube video, which described technology in a simple way to a crowd that hadn’t heard about it, was generally accurate about the strengths and weaknesses of the compared systems, but just overstated a lot of things “for content.”\nThere’s a discussion to be had there about content requiring more and more extreme stunts these days to be compelling, but the level of the reaction has gone well overboard. But then, that’s to be expected for anything on the internet, especially about Tesla.\nAnd the discussion over which approach is correct will continue – companies like Luminar think that LiDAR is superior, and Tesla thinks cameras are enough. Time will tell who’s right, but most professionals in the field tend to place their bets on the former, rather than the latter.\n\nCharge your electric vehicle at home using rooftop solar panels. Find a reliable and competitively priced solar installer near you on EnergySage, for free. They have pre-vetted installers competing for your business, ensuring high-quality solutions and 20-30% savings. It’s free, with no sales calls until you choose an installer. Compare personalized solar quotes online and receive guidance from unbiased Energy Advisers. 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The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.","content":"<html><body><div>\n<figure>\n<img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" height=\"834\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1600\" srcset=\"https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=320&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 320w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=640&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 640w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1024&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1500&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1500w\" width=\"1600\"/></figure>\n<p>A video came out last week comparing two approaches to autonomous vehicles: cameras and LiDAR. The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.</p>\n<span></span>\n<p>The video was posted by YouTuber Mark Rober, who typically does science &amp; engineering related stunts. It was essentially a comparison test between Tesla’s camera-only autopilot/FSD system and LiDAR systems, with the LiDAR vehicle running Luminar’s system.</p>\n<p>The experiment tested whether the cars could react to seeing a child in the road in six circumstances: standing, running into the road by surprise, fog, rain, bright lights, and standing behind a comical Wile E. Coyote style wall with a picture of a road painted on it.</p>\n<p>Clearly, one of these things is not like the others. Five of the tests gave us potentially meaningful results about the world around us, and the sixth was just for fun.</p> <span>Advertisement - scroll for more content</span>\n<div>\n</div>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-16-at-12.25.18%E2%80%AFPM-1.png?w=1024\"/></figure>\n<p>The test results showed the LiDAR doing better overall, primarily due to its better performance in fog and rain. But each vehicle produced impressive results on some of the tests – like the child jumping out in front of the car and the bright lights tests, both of which seemed quite difficult (the latter especially for a vision system).</p>\n<p>But even in the rain and fog tests, these were quite biblical levels of rain and fog. For more realistic light fog or lighter rain, the cameras likely would have fared better.</p>\n<p>There are a few other downsides of vision-only, such as that it can have trouble looking into lights (though it did well in the bright light test), and Tesla has in the past had a hard time with crossing trucks or overpasses being hard to distinguish from billboards, both of which can be solved with the ranging functions of LiDAR or radar.</p>\n<p>So all told, these results track with the technical limitations of cameras when compared to LiDAR. Since cameras are passive and LiDAR is active (sending out laser pulses to reflect off of objects), LiDAR is able to “see through” certain things that cameras can’t.</p>\n<p>And this is a debate which EV fans have heard plenty about – it’s the fundamental difference between Tesla’s approach and the approach of just about everyone else. Tesla is going vision-only, but most other companies are using a hybrid approach with some mix of vision, LiDAR, radar, ultrasonics, etc.</p>\n<p>Tesla actually did used to have sensors other than vision, as early Tesla cars had radar in addition to cameras. But CEO Elon Musk directed the company to remove radar (over the objection of engineers) because he figures if humans can drive with two eyes and no lasers, cameras should be able to do the same. (He isn’t alone, though – Andrej Karpathy, Tesla’s former head of AI and a well respected person in the field, agrees that vision-only is the right approach).</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"600\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg 1200w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=150,75 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=300,150 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=768,384 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=1024,512 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=350,175 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=140,70 140w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/10/Tesla-Autopilot-Radar-e1603395743425.jpg?resize=290,145 290w\" width=\"1200\"/></figure>\n<p>So the tests showed us that LiDAR has some capability that vision doesn’t, but we already knew that. What are the benefits of vision-only?</p>\n<p>First, there are clear advantages on cost and complexity, because you need less sensing equipment. LiDAR has been expensive, though costs are dropping rapidly, so this may be less of a factor going forward.</p>\n<p>Also, LiDAR sensors used to be huge spinning rigs attached to vehicles, but now they often take the form of a “taxi bump” that looks a bit like a taxi light on the top of the car, just above the windshield – but this still does restrict the design of a vehicle and a lot of people don’t like the look.</p>\n<p>Second, vision-only could potentially make for a simpler software solution because you don’t have to reconcile the input from multiple sensing methods to figure out the reality in front of you.</p>\n<p>This is something that held Tesla back in the early days of vision + radar, because there were a lot of false positives and negatives from weird situations (e.g. curved metal objects like soda cans could look bigger than they should, stationary vehicles were hard to distinguish, etc.). While the data was more robust because there were multiple sensing methods, it was proving itself harder to interpret.</p>\n<p>And, while it’s not an inherent benefit of vision-only, the specific benefit for Tesla is that the company has a LOT of vision data it can use for training. This is a big advantage that it has over every other company by several orders of magnitude, since millions of Teslas have been driving around collecting data for years now, whereas companies like Waymo only have a few hundred cars.</p>\n<p>So, we know a bit about the differences in technology, their strengths and weaknesses, and the long-time industry debate that motivated this test. Nothing seems all that unreasonable about what we’ve heard so far, and the test turned out about as expected. There’s still an open question over what the best path forward is, though the general consensus is that more sensing data is better than less, and that Tesla is making a risky move with its vision-only system.</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1358\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2922px) 100vw, 2922px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg 2922w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=150,70 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=300,139 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=768,357 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1024,476 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1536,714 1536w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=2048,952 2048w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=350,163 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=140,65 140w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-8.04.57PM.jpg?resize=1600,744 1600w\" width=\"2922\"/></figure>\n<p>So, why so much drama?</p>\n<p>Okay, well, it’s the internet. So that’s reason number one. Everyone else here is chasing the same thing Rober chases: views. And so that’s probably the only thing we need to say, alright, article over, moving on.</p>\n<p>…. But no, really. The actual drama is over the differentiation between “Autopilot” and “Full Self-Driving,” and over the behavior of Teslas when activating or deactivating the system, specifically on the headline “Wile E. Coyote” test.</p>\n<p>Most discussion has focused on this particular test, because, well, it’s the most fun one. Rober is one of the most popular YouTubers on the planet, after all, so he should know a thing or two about how to make a compelling video (and the intro sentence of the video is quite a doozy):</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"174\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1120px) 100vw, 1120px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg 1120w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=150,23 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=300,47 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=768,119 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=1024,159 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=350,54 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-2.42.11AM.jpg?resize=140,22 140w\" width=\"1120\"/></figure>\n<p>As Rober said in the very first line of the video, he had his Tesla on Autopilot, not Full Self-Driving, during this test.</p>\n<p>Some criticism has focused on the title of the video, which is “Can You Fool A Self Driving Car?”, suggesting that the test would use Tesla’s “Self-Driving” system.</p>\n<p>These are two separate systems, and FSD is more sophisticated than Autopilot. However, Autopilot has long <em>colloquially</em> been referred to as self-driving (often to the chagrin of Tesla defenders), and while Tesla does refer to FSD as “self-driving,” it very much isn’t. Both of the systems are classed as “level 2,” which means the driver is still responsible for the vehicle at all times, even though FSD can be activated in more situations than Autopilot. And many more Teslas have Autopilot than FSD, so it makes sense to test the more common one.</p>\n<p>Luminar’s LiDAR <em>can</em> be “self-driving,” insofar as there are level 3+ systems that use Luminar’s sensing technology (such as Mercedes’ DRIVE PILOT).</p>\n<p>So the title is not technically incorrect, does use similar colloquialisms in both cases, and is, after all, <em>a youtube video</em>, and we’re all hopefully aware of how YouTube titles need to be crafted to fit Google’s algorithm and hopefully can get beyond the title and into the literal first frame of the video for the more accurate description of what’s happening here.</p>\n<p>And we’ve covered a final criticism before, which is a screenshot showing that Rober didn’t have the system active in the video. This is previously-documented as “normal” Autopilot behavior, where the system turns itself off about a second before a definite crash. The screenshots were taken during this second. Rober also responded mentioning that the video used different takes to keep it compelling, and posted the full uncut footage on Twitter.</p>\n<p>Another criticism focuses on the subsequent stock surge seen by Luminar (LAZR). The company’s stock went up from 5.05 to 8.35 over the course of the week after the video, a rise of 65%. This has raised some eyebrows, but I expect that the main explanation here is that prior to the video, only pretty dedicated EV/self-driving folks knew about Luminar, and now it’s been exposed to people associated with the most traded stock on the planet for several years running, TSLA. This is naturally going to drive a ton of volume to a small stock (with ~0.03% of TSLA’s market cap).</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"766\" loading=\"lazy\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1380px) 100vw, 1380px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg 1380w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=150,83 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=300,167 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=768,426 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=1024,568 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=350,194 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-22-at-9.08.03PM.jpg?resize=140,78 140w\" width=\"1380\"/></figure>\n<p>We’ve also seen others trying to recreate the video, some with more success for the Tesla.</p>\n<p>But these criticisms focus mainly on the Wile E. Coyote test, which everyone acknowledges is not a realistic situation. That test was for the youtube video – the real meat of it was the other 5 tests that actually could happen in the real world.</p>\n<p>And even on those 5 tests, people are getting overexcited about the differences shown. The fog and water were both significantly heavier than what would most often be experienced in real life. In more “real world” weather circumstances, a camera may have worked plenty well enough (assuming the cameras aren’t obscured by water or condensation – which is certainly an issue). And if the inclement weather <em>is</em> as bad as shown in the video – maybe it’s time to stay home (or, uh, head straight to the hurricane evacuation center).</p>\n<div>\n<h2>Top comment by Jayson Osmars</h2>\n<span>\n<svg aria-hidden=\"true\" fill=\"none\" height=\"14\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 14\" width=\"13\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\"><path clip-rule=\"evenodd\" d=\"m7 10.963 4.326 2.537-1.148-4.781L14 5.5l-5.033-.414L7 .577l-1.967 4.51L0 5.5 3.822 8.72 2.674 13.5z\" fill=\"url(#a)\" fill-rule=\"evenodd\"></path><defs><lineargradient gradientunits=\"userSpaceOnUse\" x2=\"14\" y2=\"6.95\"><stop stop-color=\"#02BAF4\"></stop><stop offset=\"1\" stop-color=\"#00D99A\"></stop></lineargradient></defs></svg>Liked by 14 people\t\t</span>\n<div>\n<p>One thing missing in the testing which I doubt they could replicate is the common snowstorms in the northern states and Canada.</p><p>The cameras would get insured and covered up in no time.  Then slush and road salt grime would coat the car covering the cameras.</p><p>In winter conditions, lidar/radar is the best safest way for self driving.  It's no contest.</p> </div>\nView all comments\n</div>\n<p>All in all, it felt like a fun test for a YouTube video, which described technology in a simple way to a crowd that hadn’t heard about it, was generally accurate about the strengths and weaknesses of the compared systems, but just overstated a lot of things “for content.”</p>\n<p>There’s a discussion to be had there about content requiring more and more extreme stunts these days to be compelling, but the level of the reaction has gone well overboard. But then, that’s to be expected for anything on the internet, especially about Tesla.</p>\n<p>And the discussion over which approach is correct will continue – companies like Luminar think that LiDAR is superior, and Tesla thinks cameras are enough. Time will tell who’s right, but most professionals in the field tend to place their bets on the former, rather than the latter.</p>\n<hr/>\n<p><em>Charge your electric vehicle at home using rooftop solar panels. Find a reliable and competitively priced solar installer near you on </em><em>EnergySage</em><em>, for free. They have pre-vetted installers competing for your business, ensuring high-quality solutions and 20-30% savings. It’s free, with no sales calls until you choose an installer. Compare personalized solar quotes online and receive guidance from unbiased Energy Advisers. 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The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://electrek.co/2025/03/23/everyones-missing-the-point-of-the-tesla-vision-vs-lidar-wile-e-coyote-video/\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2025/03/Tesla-cameras-vs-radar-wall.png?w=1600","relate_stocks":{"LU0943347566.SGD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金AM H2-SGD","BK4534":"瑞士信贷持仓","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","LU2357305700.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence ET H2-SGD","BK4533":"AQR资本管理(全球第二大对冲基金)","LU1429558221.USD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity RA USD","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU1435385759.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity RA SGD-H","LU0823411888.USD":"法巴消费创新基金 Cap","LU2213496289.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU0082616367.USD":"摩根大通美国科技A（dist）","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","LU0964807845.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME & GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4588":"碎股","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","BK4537":"激光雷达概念","LU0234572021.USD":"高盛美国核心股票组合Acc","LU0820561909.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AM\" (HKD) INC","LU2249611893.SGD":"BNP PARIBAS ENERGY TRANSITION \"CRH\" (SGD) ACC","LU0820562030.AUD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMH2\" (AUDHDG) H2 INC","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","BK4574":"无人驾驶","LU2063271972.USD":"富兰克林创新领域基金","SG9999015986.USD":"LIONGLOBAL DISRUPTIVE INNOVATION \"I\" (USD) ACC","LU2471134879.HKD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (HKD) INC","LU0823414478.USD":"法巴经典能源转换基金","IE00BK4W5M84.HKD":"HSBC GLOBAL FUNDS ICAV US EQUITY INDEX \"HC\" (HKD) ACC","LU0466842654.USD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1145028129.USD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AQ\" (USD) INC","SG9999015978.USD":"利安颠覆性创新基金A","LU1066053197.SGD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL EQUITY VOLATILITY FOCUSED \"AM3\" (SGDHDG) INC","LU0345769128.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU2326559502.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity P/A SGD-H","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","LU2750360641.GBP":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (GBPHDG) INC","LU1778281490.HKD":"HSBC GIF GLOBAL LOWER CARBON EQUITY \"AD\" (HKD) INC","LU0345769631.USD":"NINETY ONE GSF GLOBAL EQUITY \"A\" (USD) INC","LU2750360997.AUD":"INVESCO GLOBAL EQUITY INCOME ADVANTAGE \"A\" (AUDHDG) INC","LU0820561818.USD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金Cl AM DIS","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares","LU2602419157.SGD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"AC\" (SGD) ACC","BK4516":"特朗普概念","IE0034235303.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US RESEARCH ENHANCED CORE EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4612":"AI芯片","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","TSYW.SI":"TESLA 3xLongSG261006","LU0348723411.USD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL HI-TECH GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","LU1720051108.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE \"AT\" (HKD) ACC"},"source_url":"https://electrek.co/2025/03/23/everyones-missing-the-point-of-the-tesla-vision-vs-lidar-wile-e-coyote-video/","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2521207916","content_text":"A video came out last week comparing two approaches to autonomous vehicles: cameras and LiDAR. The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.\n\nThe video was posted by YouTuber Mark Rober, who typically does science & engineering related stunts. It was essentially a comparison test between Tesla’s camera-only autopilot/FSD system and LiDAR systems, with the LiDAR vehicle running Luminar’s system.\nThe experiment tested whether the cars could react to seeing a child in the road in six circumstances: standing, running into the road by surprise, fog, rain, bright lights, and standing behind a comical Wile E. Coyote style wall with a picture of a road painted on it.\nClearly, one of these things is not like the others. Five of the tests gave us potentially meaningful results about the world around us, and the sixth was just for fun. Advertisement - scroll for more content\n\n\n\nThe test results showed the LiDAR doing better overall, primarily due to its better performance in fog and rain. But each vehicle produced impressive results on some of the tests – like the child jumping out in front of the car and the bright lights tests, both of which seemed quite difficult (the latter especially for a vision system).\nBut even in the rain and fog tests, these were quite biblical levels of rain and fog. For more realistic light fog or lighter rain, the cameras likely would have fared better.\nThere are a few other downsides of vision-only, such as that it can have trouble looking into lights (though it did well in the bright light test), and Tesla has in the past had a hard time with crossing trucks or overpasses being hard to distinguish from billboards, both of which can be solved with the ranging functions of LiDAR or radar.\nSo all told, these results track with the technical limitations of cameras when compared to LiDAR. Since cameras are passive and LiDAR is active (sending out laser pulses to reflect off of objects), LiDAR is able to “see through” certain things that cameras can’t.\nAnd this is a debate which EV fans have heard plenty about – it’s the fundamental difference between Tesla’s approach and the approach of just about everyone else. Tesla is going vision-only, but most other companies are using a hybrid approach with some mix of vision, LiDAR, radar, ultrasonics, etc.\nTesla actually did used to have sensors other than vision, as early Tesla cars had radar in addition to cameras. But CEO Elon Musk directed the company to remove radar (over the objection of engineers) because he figures if humans can drive with two eyes and no lasers, cameras should be able to do the same. (He isn’t alone, though – Andrej Karpathy, Tesla’s former head of AI and a well respected person in the field, agrees that vision-only is the right approach).\n\nSo the tests showed us that LiDAR has some capability that vision doesn’t, but we already knew that. What are the benefits of vision-only?\nFirst, there are clear advantages on cost and complexity, because you need less sensing equipment. LiDAR has been expensive, though costs are dropping rapidly, so this may be less of a factor going forward.\nAlso, LiDAR sensors used to be huge spinning rigs attached to vehicles, but now they often take the form of a “taxi bump” that looks a bit like a taxi light on the top of the car, just above the windshield – but this still does restrict the design of a vehicle and a lot of people don’t like the look.\nSecond, vision-only could potentially make for a simpler software solution because you don’t have to reconcile the input from multiple sensing methods to figure out the reality in front of you.\nThis is something that held Tesla back in the early days of vision + radar, because there were a lot of false positives and negatives from weird situations (e.g. curved metal objects like soda cans could look bigger than they should, stationary vehicles were hard to distinguish, etc.). While the data was more robust because there were multiple sensing methods, it was proving itself harder to interpret.\nAnd, while it’s not an inherent benefit of vision-only, the specific benefit for Tesla is that the company has a LOT of vision data it can use for training. This is a big advantage that it has over every other company by several orders of magnitude, since millions of Teslas have been driving around collecting data for years now, whereas companies like Waymo only have a few hundred cars.\nSo, we know a bit about the differences in technology, their strengths and weaknesses, and the long-time industry debate that motivated this test. Nothing seems all that unreasonable about what we’ve heard so far, and the test turned out about as expected. There’s still an open question over what the best path forward is, though the general consensus is that more sensing data is better than less, and that Tesla is making a risky move with its vision-only system.\n\nSo, why so much drama?\nOkay, well, it’s the internet. So that’s reason number one. Everyone else here is chasing the same thing Rober chases: views. And so that’s probably the only thing we need to say, alright, article over, moving on.\n…. But no, really. The actual drama is over the differentiation between “Autopilot” and “Full Self-Driving,” and over the behavior of Teslas when activating or deactivating the system, specifically on the headline “Wile E. Coyote” test.\nMost discussion has focused on this particular test, because, well, it’s the most fun one. Rober is one of the most popular YouTubers on the planet, after all, so he should know a thing or two about how to make a compelling video (and the intro sentence of the video is quite a doozy):\n\nAs Rober said in the very first line of the video, he had his Tesla on Autopilot, not Full Self-Driving, during this test.\nSome criticism has focused on the title of the video, which is “Can You Fool A Self Driving Car?”, suggesting that the test would use Tesla’s “Self-Driving” system.\nThese are two separate systems, and FSD is more sophisticated than Autopilot. However, Autopilot has long colloquially been referred to as self-driving (often to the chagrin of Tesla defenders), and while Tesla does refer to FSD as “self-driving,” it very much isn’t. Both of the systems are classed as “level 2,” which means the driver is still responsible for the vehicle at all times, even though FSD can be activated in more situations than Autopilot. And many more Teslas have Autopilot than FSD, so it makes sense to test the more common one.\nLuminar’s LiDAR can be “self-driving,” insofar as there are level 3+ systems that use Luminar’s sensing technology (such as Mercedes’ DRIVE PILOT).\nSo the title is not technically incorrect, does use similar colloquialisms in both cases, and is, after all, a youtube video, and we’re all hopefully aware of how YouTube titles need to be crafted to fit Google’s algorithm and hopefully can get beyond the title and into the literal first frame of the video for the more accurate description of what’s happening here.\nAnd we’ve covered a final criticism before, which is a screenshot showing that Rober didn’t have the system active in the video. This is previously-documented as “normal” Autopilot behavior, where the system turns itself off about a second before a definite crash. The screenshots were taken during this second. Rober also responded mentioning that the video used different takes to keep it compelling, and posted the full uncut footage on Twitter.\nAnother criticism focuses on the subsequent stock surge seen by Luminar (LAZR). The company’s stock went up from 5.05 to 8.35 over the course of the week after the video, a rise of 65%. This has raised some eyebrows, but I expect that the main explanation here is that prior to the video, only pretty dedicated EV/self-driving folks knew about Luminar, and now it’s been exposed to people associated with the most traded stock on the planet for several years running, TSLA. This is naturally going to drive a ton of volume to a small stock (with ~0.03% of TSLA’s market cap).\n\nWe’ve also seen others trying to recreate the video, some with more success for the Tesla.\nBut these criticisms focus mainly on the Wile E. Coyote test, which everyone acknowledges is not a realistic situation. That test was for the youtube video – the real meat of it was the other 5 tests that actually could happen in the real world.\nAnd even on those 5 tests, people are getting overexcited about the differences shown. The fog and water were both significantly heavier than what would most often be experienced in real life. In more “real world” weather circumstances, a camera may have worked plenty well enough (assuming the cameras aren’t obscured by water or condensation – which is certainly an issue). And if the inclement weather is as bad as shown in the video – maybe it’s time to stay home (or, uh, head straight to the hurricane evacuation center).\n\nTop comment by Jayson Osmars\n\nLiked by 14 people\t\t\n\nOne thing missing in the testing which I doubt they could replicate is the common snowstorms in the northern states and Canada.The cameras would get insured and covered up in no time.  Then slush and road salt grime would coat the car covering the cameras.In winter conditions, lidar/radar is the best safest way for self driving.  It's no contest. \nView all comments\n\nAll in all, it felt like a fun test for a YouTube video, which described technology in a simple way to a crowd that hadn’t heard about it, was generally accurate about the strengths and weaknesses of the compared systems, but just overstated a lot of things “for content.”\nThere’s a discussion to be had there about content requiring more and more extreme stunts these days to be compelling, but the level of the reaction has gone well overboard. But then, that’s to be expected for anything on the internet, especially about Tesla.\nAnd the discussion over which approach is correct will continue – companies like Luminar think that LiDAR is superior, and Tesla thinks cameras are enough. Time will tell who’s right, but most professionals in the field tend to place their bets on the former, rather than the latter.\n\nCharge your electric vehicle at home using rooftop solar panels. Find a reliable and competitively priced solar installer near you on EnergySage, for free. They have pre-vetted installers competing for your business, ensuring high-quality solutions and 20-30% savings. It’s free, with no sales calls until you choose an installer. Compare personalized solar quotes online and receive guidance from unbiased Energy Advisers. 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I was trying to do him a favor. Was I wrong?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2521128478","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"Elon Musk told shareholders on Thursday to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the electric vehicles are falling. I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio.I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?","content":"<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares and he stopped speaking to me. I was trying to do him a favor. Was I wrong?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     Elon Musk told shareholders on Thursday to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the electric vehicles are falling \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Quentin, \n</p>\n<p>\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n</p>\n<p>\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Former Friend \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Friend, \n</p>\n<p>\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Or he may feel foolish for betting his retirement on one stock. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, third-party opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Speaking on his social-media platform, X, Elon Musk told shareholders to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the EVs are falling. \"If you read the news, it feels like Armageddon, I can't walk past a TV without seeing a Tesla on fire,\" Musk said Thursday. \"I understand if you don't want to buy our product, but you don't have to burn it down - that's a bit unreasonable.\" He added, \"Tesla stock goes up, and it goes down. But, actually, it's still the same company. It's just people's perception of the future.\" He also reiterated his great hopes for the Model Y. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> is down roughly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $236 on Friday, but it's still higher than the $170 this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. But if or when your friend sells will likely depend on when he bought. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/WFC\">$(WFC)$</a> analyst Colin Langan, in a recent analyst note, described Tesla's sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey released this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'God works in mysterious ways': I became a Nvidia millionaire playing 'World of Warcraft.' Am I smart - or just lucky? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's 'shocking' sales decline \n</p>\n<p>\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may be concerned by Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. By virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency, you may reason, \"This is going to hurt the company's growth.\" And sell. Or, like your friend, you could decide to hold your position. Politics aside, people sell stocks for all sorts of reasons. \n</p>\n<p>\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to the opinion you expressed to your friend on Tesla's stock, at least in the short term. Earlier this month, Trump bought a Tesla after showcasing a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a self-inflicted black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n</p>\n<p>\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Trump showcased Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may become a self-inflicted black eye for Musk. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have fallen significantly. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025, down over 50% on the same time last year. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales are falling there too. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared them to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped; Tesla sent a letter to the White House expressing concern about retaliatory tariffs. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet, and point to the ongoing volatility of Tesla options. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n</p>\n<p>\n     Mixing finance and friendship \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOGL\">$(GOOGL)$</a> , Amazon <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">$(AMZN)$</a>, Apple <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">$(AAPL)$</a>, Meta <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">$(META)$</a>, Microsoft <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">$(MSFT)$</a> and Nvidia <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">$(NVDA)$</a>.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&amp;P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. Adding politics to the mix is a risky gamble. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and he could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some unsolicited advice?\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n</p>\n<p>\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n</p>\n<p>\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n</p>\n<p>\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n</p>\n<p>\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n</p>\n<p>\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. Post your questions, or weigh in on the latest Moneyist columns. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By emailing your questions to The Moneyist or posting your dilemmas on The Moneyist Facebook group, you agree to have them published anonymously on MarketWatch. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By submitting your story to Dow Jones &amp; Co., the publisher of MarketWatch, you understand and agree that we may use your story, or versions of it, in all media and platforms, including via third parties. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. 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I was trying to do him a favor. Was I wrong?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-03-21 21:35</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\nMW I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares and he stopped speaking to me. I was trying to do him a favor. Was I wrong?\n</p>\n<p>\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     Elon Musk told shareholders on Thursday to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the electric vehicles are falling \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Quentin, \n</p>\n<p>\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n</p>\n<p>\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Former Friend \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Dear Friend, \n</p>\n<p>\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n</p>\n<p>\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Or he may feel foolish for betting his retirement on one stock. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, third-party opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Speaking on his social-media platform, X, Elon Musk told shareholders to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the EVs are falling. \"If you read the news, it feels like Armageddon, I can't walk past a TV without seeing a Tesla on fire,\" Musk said Thursday. \"I understand if you don't want to buy our product, but you don't have to burn it down - that's a bit unreasonable.\" He added, \"Tesla stock goes up, and it goes down. But, actually, it's still the same company. It's just people's perception of the future.\" He also reiterated his great hopes for the Model Y. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> is down roughly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $236 on Friday, but it's still higher than the $170 this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. But if or when your friend sells will likely depend on when he bought. \n</p>\n<p>\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/WFC\">$(WFC)$</a> analyst Colin Langan, in a recent analyst note, described Tesla's sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey released this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'God works in mysterious ways': I became a Nvidia millionaire playing 'World of Warcraft.' Am I smart - or just lucky? \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla's 'shocking' sales decline \n</p>\n<p>\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may be concerned by Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. By virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency, you may reason, \"This is going to hurt the company's growth.\" And sell. Or, like your friend, you could decide to hold your position. Politics aside, people sell stocks for all sorts of reasons. \n</p>\n<p>\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to the opinion you expressed to your friend on Tesla's stock, at least in the short term. Earlier this month, Trump bought a Tesla after showcasing a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a self-inflicted black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n</p>\n<p>\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Trump showcased Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may become a self-inflicted black eye for Musk. \n</p>\n<p>\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have fallen significantly. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025, down over 50% on the same time last year. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales are falling there too. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared them to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped; Tesla sent a letter to the White House expressing concern about retaliatory tariffs. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet, and point to the ongoing volatility of Tesla options. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n</p>\n<p>\n     Mixing finance and friendship \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOGL\">$(GOOGL)$</a> , Amazon <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">$(AMZN)$</a>, Apple <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">$(AAPL)$</a>, Meta <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">$(META)$</a>, Microsoft <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">$(MSFT)$</a> and Nvidia <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">$(NVDA)$</a>.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&amp;P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. Adding politics to the mix is a risky gamble. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and he could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some unsolicited advice?\" \n</p>\n<p>\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n</p>\n<p>\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n</p>\n<p>\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n</p>\n<p>\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n</p>\n<p>\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n</p>\n<p>\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n</p>\n<p>\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. Post your questions, or weigh in on the latest Moneyist columns. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By emailing your questions to The Moneyist or posting your dilemmas on The Moneyist Facebook group, you agree to have them published anonymously on MarketWatch. \n</p>\n<p>\n     By submitting your story to Dow Jones &amp; Co., the publisher of MarketWatch, you understand and agree that we may use your story, or versions of it, in all media and platforms, including via third parties. \n</p>\n<p>\n     -Quentin Fottrell \n</p>\n<p>\n     This content was created by MarketWatch, which is operated by Dow Jones &amp; Co. MarketWatch is published independently from Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. \n</p>\n<pre>\n \n</pre>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  March 21, 2025 09:35 ET (13:35 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2025 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2521128478","content_text":"MW I told my friend to sell his Tesla shares and he stopped speaking to me. I was trying to do him a favor. Was I wrong?\n\n\n  By Quentin Fottrell \n\n\n     Elon Musk told shareholders on Thursday to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the electric vehicles are falling \n\n\n     Dear Quentin, \n\n\n     I have or had a friend who owned two Teslas, and had his entire stock in Tesla. He is a Democrat and he claims to be a nihilist. I don't see how one can identify as a nihilist and also try to save the environment. In any case, I had been trying to get him to diversify his retirement portfolio. \n\n\n     I told him, \"If you are able, I think you should get out of Tesla. It's not that the company won't be able to recover - it might - but considering everything else, why would anyone stay vested in Tesla?\" This largely random subject caused us to cease communications. \n\n\n     Tesla's acceleration is amazing, but that is a small sacrifice. Other companies offer hybrids and EVs. Are MAGA supporters going to take up the slack in sales? I doubt it. I was a lifelong Republican before Trump, so my comments to my (former) friend were not political. \n\n\n     Yet he stopped speaking to me. Is that normal? \n\n\n     Former Friend \n\n\n     Related: I'm a Democrat who drives a Tesla. A guy shouted abuse at me for driving a car made by Elon Musk. Should I sell my car? \n\n\n     Dear Friend, \n\n\n     Your friend hailed a robotaxi, and drove directly out of the friendzone. \n\n\n     If your friendship was strong and close, even a clumsily-worded piece of unsolicited advice about his Tesla stock should not be enough to break it, regardless of whether he is a Democrat or a Republican. He may have thought you were making a political point, even if you had no intention of doing so. Or he may feel foolish for betting his retirement on one stock. Generally, when it comes to finance and politics, third-party opinions can go down like Tesla's stock. \n\n\n     Speaking on his social-media platform, X, Elon Musk told shareholders to hold onto their stock, even as sales of the EVs are falling. \"If you read the news, it feels like Armageddon, I can't walk past a TV without seeing a Tesla on fire,\" Musk said Thursday. \"I understand if you don't want to buy our product, but you don't have to burn it down - that's a bit unreasonable.\" He added, \"Tesla stock goes up, and it goes down. But, actually, it's still the same company. It's just people's perception of the future.\" He also reiterated his great hopes for the Model Y. \n\n\n     The most recent, drastic slide in Musk's electric-vehicle company should be taken in context. Tesla $(TSLA)$ is down roughly 50% from $477 at the end of last year to $236 on Friday, but it's still higher than the $170 this time last year. And if you're a medium- or long-term investor, you're still in the green: Lest we forget that the stock was hovering at around $23 five years ago. It may, of course, still have a long way to go. But if or when your friend sells will likely depend on when he bought. \n\n\n     It's no wonder your friend is sensitive. Wells Fargo $(WFC)$ analyst Colin Langan, in a recent analyst note, described Tesla's sales decline as \"shocking.\" Your friend holds a stock that has 1) become highly politicized and 2) his holding has been suffering of late as a result. Some 85% of clients of Morgan Stanley auto analyst Adam Jonas, in a 245-person survey released this week, said they believe Musk's political activities are hurting Tesla. They agreed that his political activism had either a \"negative\" or \"extremely negative\" effect on the business. \n\n\n     Related: 'God works in mysterious ways': I became a Nvidia millionaire playing 'World of Warcraft.' Am I smart - or just lucky? \n\n\n     Tesla's 'shocking' sales decline \n\n\n     To your point: Even if you are a diehard MAGA supporter and a Tesla fan, you may be concerned by Musk's attention being diverted away from the company, which Musk himself has acknowledged. By virtue of Musk's role cutting federal spending with the Department of Government Efficiency, you may reason, \"This is going to hurt the company's growth.\" And sell. Or, like your friend, you could decide to hold your position. Politics aside, people sell stocks for all sorts of reasons. \n\n\n     You are hardly a lone voice when it comes to the opinion you expressed to your friend on Tesla's stock, at least in the short term. Earlier this month, Trump bought a Tesla after showcasing a group of the electric vehicles on the South Lawn of the White House in a show of support for Musk. That may end up being a self-inflicted black eye for Musk: Trump supporters will probably like the stunt, but Democrats who have ignored the brouhaha until now could feel more pressured to choose another EV. \n\n\n     There's another uncomfortable reality that your friend may not be ready to face: Musk, who is also the CEO and founder of SpaceX and purchased Twitter for $44 billion in 2022 - rebranding it as X - has something of a fanatical following or, put another way, investors who believe in his dreams. And yet he is, many analysts argue, also the main cause of the current turmoil for the stock. For his fans, that's a hard pill to swallow. Your friend, given his exposure to Tesla, may be one of those fans. \n\n\n     Trump showcased Teslas on the South Lawn of the White House. That may become a self-inflicted black eye for Musk. \n\n\n     In California, the largest market for Tesla in the U.S., sales have fallen significantly. \"Tesla's dominance in the electric-vehicle market continues to falter as the brand reported its fifth consecutive quarterly registration decline,\" according to the California New Car Dealers Association. Tesla's registrations fell 7.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024, bringing the total decline in 2024 to 11.6%. \n\n\n     Overseas sales are also a concern. Tesla sold 7,517 cars in Europe in January 2025, down over 50% on the same time last year. EV sales are strong in China, but Tesla sales are falling there too. MAGA's policies - from Trump's desire to purchase Greenland to Musk's support for Germany's hard-right Alternative fur Deutschland party - have not endeared them to Europeans. The U.S.-led trade war has not helped; Tesla sent a letter to the White House expressing concern about retaliatory tariffs. \n\n\n     Several analysts have said the Tesla slide is not nearly over yet, and point to the ongoing volatility of Tesla options. J.P. Morgan auto analyst Ryan Brinkman slashed his forecast for first-quarter deliveries by 20%, to 355,000 from 444,000, and cut his price target to $120 from $135. \"We struggle to think of anything analogous in the history of the automotive industry, in which a brand has lost so much value so quickly,\" Brinkman wrote. \n\n\n     Related: 'Is it finally time to freak out?' I'm in my 50s and worried about the $650K in my 401(k). \n\n\n     Mixing finance and friendship \n\n\n     Tesla is still considered among the \"Magnificent Seven\" of tech stocks, which also include Alphabet $(GOOGL)$ , Amazon $(AMZN)$, Apple $(AAPL)$, Meta $(META)$, Microsoft $(MSFT)$ and Nvidia $(NVDA)$.  But some observers, including Barron's columnist Al Root, believe Tesla does not belong in that group. \"Tesla's market value is no longer in the top seven among S&P 500 SPX,\" Root writes. The other six are \"profit machines,\" he adds, while Tesla trades for 85 times earnings, down from 200 times three months ago. \n\n\n     Finance and friendship don't always make good bedfellows. Adding politics to the mix is a risky gamble. I'm reminded of this couple whose neighbors introduced them to a financial adviser. The letter writers took the adviser's advice, invested in the market and drove an old car - not a Tesla - while their neighbors lived the high life. They announced they were retiring early. Their neighbors couldn't reconcile this news with their own financial hubris, and they stopped speaking to them. \n\n\n     By giving your friend advice about his Tesla stock, which may have been already weighing heavily on his mind, he may have felt exposed - diversify, diversify, diversify are the first three rules of investing - and he could also have felt judged. In 2025, the cars people drive and even the stocks they own have become politicized. Nihilism, the belief that nothing has meaning or purpose, exists on a sliding scale. As does tact. It's always better to ask: \"Could I give you some unsolicited advice?\" \n\n\n     It may help soften the blow, but the blow may still end the friendship. \n\n\n     Related: 'It's been a scary ride': My family has $800K in stocks. We lost 2 years of market gains in a few weeks. Do we sell - or buy? \n\n\n     You can email The Moneyist with any financial and ethical questions at qfottrell@marketwatch.com, and follow Quentin Fottrell on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. \n\n\n     More columns from Quentin Fottrell: \n\n\n     'I'm deeply disturbed': My portfolio lost 20%. With Trump's trade war, do I sell my stocks and buy gold? \n\n\n     America's job market is eerily similar to the 1990s dot-com bubble - and, yes, it's a worry \n\n\n     Egg prices represent the cracks in the facade of America's economic wellbeing \n\n\n     The Moneyist regrets he cannot respond to letters individually.Check out The Moneyist's private Facebook group, where members help answer life's thorniest money issues. 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