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  He is not a real trader believer
  He Was Once Elon Musk's Biggest Believer. Now He's Doubling Down on Why Tesla Stock Will Feel Serious Pain in 2025
  Ross Gerber was an early investor in Tesla, buying in before the stock boomed.But he's gotten increasingly outspoken about issues he sees with Elon Musk and Tesla, and has sold shares.Gerber outlined
  He Was Once Elon Musk's Biggest Believer. Now He's Doubling Down on Why Tesla Stock Will Feel Serious Pain in 2025
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  ·2022-06-30
  Misleading, ai is doing the labelling
  Does Elon Musk's Latest Move Mean Tesla Is Doomed?
  Tesla's layoffs include a division that CEO Musk just called "essential" to the company's survival.
  Does Elon Musk's Latest Move Mean Tesla Is Doomed?
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  ·2022-05-19
  When market say buy, when market bad say sell, crap article
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Tesla Motors shareholder Ross Gerber is no stranger to bearish takes on the company, at least lately.In the middle of last year he revealed that he'd sold about $60 million of Tesla shares on concerns its vehicles were fading in popularity. Then, after Donald Trump's election victory, Gerber said in early December that Tesla would see minimal positive impact, if any, from Elon Musk's association with the president.The warnings now seem prescient. After an initial post-election surge, Tesla shares are down 16% so far in 2025, and sit roughly 4% lower since Gerber's December comments.It's a trend Gerber sees continuing amid a collection of familiar issues, including a lofty valuation, worries about the company's Full Self-Driving capabilities, and the knock-on effects of Musk's unpredictable behavior.In new interview with Business Insider, Gerber took his bearishness even further, outlining why he sees Tesla vulnerable to a drawdown of as much as 50%.To his credit, Gerber — who is the president and CEO of Gerber Kawasaki Wealth & Investment Management — has had no issue putting his money where his mouth is. He reduced his firm's Tesla stake by 31% in 2024, regulatory filings show, leaving him with 262,000 Tesla shares worth $106 million at the end of last year.Detailed below are four reasons informing Gerber's expectation for a rough year for Tesla:1. Full Self-Driving 'doesn't work'Gerber sees a disaster for Tesla stock this year because Musk's June target of launching an autonomous taxi network in Austin, Texas is too ambitious.\"All of this stuff is going to come to roost this year because he put this deadline on full self driving working in a couple months. It almost seems impossible for that to happen,\" Gerber told BI.According to Gerber, the core issue is that Tesla's autonomous driving platform doesn't use the LIDAR sensors that other driverless systems, like Alphabet's Waymo, rely on. Instead, it uses cameras.\"We're well behind in robotaxi and autonomy, there's no question now,\" Gerber said, adding that he thinks Waymo's approach is \"a safer system.\"\"I'm in the camp now that you need LIDAR to have a safe enough system for Full Self-Driving,\" he said. \"They're going to run into a wall, where they can't get better unless they change the hardware.\"2. Elon Musk is distractedFrom running several companies, including Tesla, SpaceX, and xAI, to posting prolifically on X, to spearheading government efficiency efforts at DOGE, to being the father to 11 kids, it's safe to say there might not be enough time in the day for Musk.Gerber thinks that's a problem for Tesla shareholders, especially considering Musk's sole focus in recent months appears to have been AI.\"His 100% focus is on AI, and that's really a detriment to Tesla more than it's a plus for xAI and all the other businesses because he doesn't work at Tesla anymore,\" Gerber said.\"If he were putting all of his time into full self-driving, I'd feel a lot more confident about Tesla.\"3. Vehicle sales are slowingWhile investor hype around Tesla focuses on its autonomous and robotic ambitions, selling cars remains its core business, and that's starting to slow.Last year marked Tesla's first annual decline in EV sales. After forecasting 20%-30% growth in 2025, management has since said on its latest earnings call that it expects a \"return to growth.\"For Gerber, increasing competition from BYD, the largest EV maker in the world based out of China, is a real threat to Tesla's EV business outside the US.\"Xi has made it very clear that he wants Chinese tech and EV companies to succeed, not Tesla,\" Gerber said. \"BYD is such a good company, everybody in the emerging markets are buying BYDs.\"Tesla sold almost 1 million vehicles in China last year.The other threat to Tesla is Musk's close association with President Donald Trump.\"What this does is it creates this anger. I've never seen this anger towards Tesla, but it's not toward Tesla as the company, it's because of Elon, this is the only way people can take it out,\" Gerber explained.Singer Sheryl Crow posted a video to Instagram this week waving goodbye to her Tesla, which she sold in protest.\"There comes a time when you have to decide who you are willing to align with. So long Tesla,\" Crow wrote on Instagram.The trend could be picking up steam outside the US, with the Financial Times reporting that Tesla's January vehicle sales plunged 63% in France, 60% in Germany, and 38% in Norway.\"We've got to sell cars, and people just don't want them anymore,\" Gerber said.4. Tesla trades at a premium valuationTesla has always traded at a premium valuation relative to other automakers and its mega-cap tech peers, but if Tesla's slowdown in vehicle sales continues, that premium could diminish considerably.At a $1.1 trillion market capitalization, Tesla is nearly 5x larger than Toyota despite delivering just 20% of Toyota's profits last year, according to data from YCharts.Its forward price-to-earnings ratio of 118x is more than triple that of the next most expensive \"Magnificent 7\" stock, Nvidia, and is above its five-year average of 84x.\"The issue to me is, I've got $100 million in Tesla stock at 125x earnings and it's not even close to any PE, to any normal Mag 7 stock,\" Gerber said. \"So Tesla's vulnerability is it could drop by 50% if things don't work out for it this year. So we sell Tesla stock. We still have tons of it and we sell it because we think it's pretty overvalued.\"Some major Wall Street firms may agree with Gerber. 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Despite an initial burst of enthusiasm from investors, the bank said it is sticking with a $135 price target for Tesla stock, representing potential downside of 60% from current levels.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"TSLL":1,"TSLA":1,"TSYW.SI":0.6}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":701,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9045351166,"gmtCreate":1656564901755,"gmtModify":1676535855262,"author":{"id":"4090557646964760","authorId":"4090557646964760","name":"philipphilip","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/18e6e366d1f93ca64827a1e509efe76a","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"4090557646964760","idStr":"4090557646964760"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Misleading, ai is doing the labelling&nbsp;","listText":"Misleading, ai is doing the labelling&nbsp;","text":"Misleading, ai is doing the labelling","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9045351166","repostId":"2247932011","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2247932011","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1656565257,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2247932011?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-06-30 13:00","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Does Elon Musk's Latest Move Mean Tesla Is Doomed?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2247932011","media":"Motley Fool","summary":"Tesla's layoffs include a division that CEO Musk just called \"essential\" to the company's survival.","content":"<div>\n<p>KEY POINTSOn Tuesday, Tesla reportedly laid off more than 200 people working on its Autopilot software and shuttered a facility in California.Musk has called full-self driving essential to Tesla's ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/06/29/does-elon-musks-latest-move-mean-tesla-is-doomed/\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n","source":"fool_stock","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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The affected team was responsible for processing and labeling customer vehicle data.Last week, Musk confirmed Tesla was in the process of cutting about 10% of its global white-collar staff, arguing that the electric vehicle manufacturer had grown too fast and was now overstaffed. These cuts appear to be a small part of the overall engineering effort inside the company, but they come at a key moment in Tesla's effort to perfect fully autonomous vehicles.Could Tesla be worth \"basically zero?\"Musk has long-championed the concept of autonomous vehicles, in 2019 calling Tesla vehicles \"appreciating assets\" because of his confidence that Tesla owners could one day deploy their vehicles as robotaxis and make money on the cars instead of leaving them in parking lots.In an interview with a Tesla owner group earlier this month, Musk said it was \"essential\" for Tesla to produce full self-driving technology, calling the tech \"the difference between Tesla being worth a lot of money or worth basically zero.\"Although Tesla is the sales leader in electric vehicles, the company faces more competition now than at any time in its history. Incumbent automakers including General Motors and Ford have made electric vehicles a priority, joining newcomers including Lucid Group and NIO in bringing rival vehicles to market.Tesla's self-driving technology is seen by company bulls as a major competitive advantage. Cathie Wood's Ark Invest earlier this year said Tesla's stock could be worth as much as $4,600 per share -- more than six times its current price -- by 2026, assuming robotaxis are in service by then.Ark believes Tesla could generate more than $450 billion in annual revenue from its nascent robotaxi business.Is Autopilot veering off course?The layoffs also come at a time when Autopilot is under increasing regulatory scrutiny. Last October, the head of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) called Tesla's marketing of the driver assistance software \"misleading.\" More recently, the separate National Highway Traffic Safety Administration upgraded a probe into Tesla's systems ahead of a potential recall or new limits on how the system is used.Tesla's systems, unlike most of its rivals, forgo radar and other depth perception technology, relying instead on cameras to feed its AI and keep the vehicle on the road. The team that was reportedly let go on Tuesday was responsible for helping to train and refine Tesla's AI.Tesla investors need this tech to workTesla delivered more than 936,000 vehicles in 2021, and as an automaker has never looked more stable in its history. However, the stock price and the health of the business have always been somewhat disconnected, and investors should be watching the developments of Autopilot closely.Although it seems unlikely Musk is correct and Tesla's value could drop to near zero, as an automaker Tesla is valued significantly higher than the competition. Tesla trades at more than 21 times its book value, while both Ford and General Motors trade at little premium to their book values.As Ark's model notes, Tesla commands that valuation based on its technological prowess, not its ability to manufacture cars.Musk deserves credit for trying to streamline Tesla ahead of a potential economic slowdown, and has earned the benefit of the doubt over his years running the company. But for the valuation to hold up, Tesla will have to show progress toward autonomous driving in the quarters to come.Investors need to hope Musk isn't cutting too deep, or in the wrong places, or his words of warning could become a self-fulfilling prophecy about the stock price.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"TSLA":1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":871,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9021037526,"gmtCreate":1652972867965,"gmtModify":1676535199554,"author":{"id":"4090557646964760","authorId":"4090557646964760","name":"philipphilip","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/18e6e366d1f93ca64827a1e509efe76a","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"4090557646964760","idStr":"4090557646964760"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"When market say buy, when market bad say sell, crap article","listText":"When market say buy, when market bad say sell, crap article","text":"When market say buy, when market bad say sell, crap article","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9021037526","repostId":"1100173162","repostType":4,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1996,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"defaultTab":"posts","isTTM":true}