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Nvidia Bearish Momentum Explained

SummaryNVIDIA’s meteoric rise has been fueled by the generative AI boom, but history shows that tech hype cycles often result in overcapacity.15% of its Q3 2024 revenue came from China and Hong Kong.

Nvidia Bearish Momentum Explained

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","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_2576559629\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>NVIDIA’s meteoric rise has been fueled by the generative AI boom, but history shows that tech hype cycles often result in overcapacity.</p></li><li><p>15% of its Q3 2024 revenue came from China and Hong Kong. Tightened U.S. export restrictions on advanced chips to China could shrink this critical market further. If restrictions extend to Blackwell chips, this could limit growth and lead to unsold inventory.</p></li><li><p>NVDA stock trades at a forward P/S ratio far above industry peers, priced as if AI adoption will grow exponentially for years. This valuation leaves little room for error.</p></li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/f8271f5218e30171f478337709702edd\" alt=\"JHVEPhoto\" title=\"JHVEPhoto\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span>JHVEPhoto</span></p><p>The market is testing a new narrative for NVIDIA. This will be a bull and bear ferocious fight, but the current bear thinking is the following:</p><h2 id=\"id_357161106\">1. Overcapacity Risk in Semiconductors: The AI Bubble Narrative</h2><p><strong>Key Issue: Overinvestment Based on Overhyped Demand</strong></p><p>NVIDIA’s meteoric rise has been fueled by the generative AI boom, but history shows that tech hype cycles often result in overcapacity (e.g., the dot-com bubble, cryptocurrency mining GPUs).</p><p>Revenue from Data Center GPUs accounted for 87% of total revenue in Q3 FY2024, making NVIDIA heavily reliant on AI demand continuing indefinitely.</p><p>A 10% slowdown in AI investments or hyperscaler spending (e.g., Microsoft (MSFT), Amazon (AMZN), Google (GOOG, GOOGL)) could drastically impact NVIDIA’s revenue.</p><p>Overcommitted to Supply: NVIDIA has locked in $28.9 billion in supply commitments, expecting ongoing high demand for its Hopper and Blackwell architectures.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/f8d33a2cf85359c91492e53b0a25cd64\" alt=\"Nvidia purchase obligations\" title=\"Nvidia purchase obligations\" tg-width=\"940\" tg-height=\"173\"/><span>Nvidia purchase obligations</span></p><p>If demand slows or product transitions are delayed, these commitments could lead to massive inventory write-downs, hurting margins.</p><p><strong>Why It Matters for a Short Thesis:</strong></p><p>The semiconductor market is notoriously cyclical. Any downturn in demand could expose NVIDIA to falling prices, unsold inventory, and margin compression. Overcapacity could turn into a pricing war with competitors like AMD and Intel (INTC), further eroding profitability.</p><h2 id=\"id_3346631318\">2. NVIDIA’s Dependence on Hyperscalers and China</h2><p><strong>Key Issue: Revenue Concentration in Fragile Markets</strong></p><p>NVIDIA’s largest customers, such as Amazon, Microsoft, and Google, account for a significant portion of its revenue. If even one reduces AI-related spending due to budget cuts or cost discipline, the effect on NVIDIA would be severe.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/76daa2c745b22e4f279e5535a5f895fa\" alt=\"Nvidia Q3 2024 revenue by customer\" title=\"Nvidia Q3 2024 revenue by customer\" tg-width=\"940\" tg-height=\"143\"/><span>Nvidia Q3 2024 revenue by customer</span></p><p>15% of NVIDIA’s Q3 2024 revenue came from China and Hong Kong. Tightened U.S. export restrictions on advanced chips to China could shrink this critical market further. If restrictions extend to Blackwell chips (NVIDIA’s next-gen architecture), this could limit growth and lead to unsold inventory.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c8582bf3c06050a3056b08a9aebbcd73\" alt=\"Nvidia Q3 2024 revenue by country\" title=\"Nvidia Q3 2024 revenue by country\" tg-width=\"940\" tg-height=\"190\"/><span>Nvidia Q3 2024 revenue by country</span></p><p><strong>Why It Matters for a Short Thesis:</strong></p><p>Geopolitical risk, combined with hyperscaler reliance, creates an unsustainable revenue model in a downturn. NVIDIA’s revenue base might not be diversified enough.</p><h2 id=\"id_1901870406\">3. Valuation Disconnect: Growth Premium Priced for Perfection</h2><p><strong>Key Issue: An Unsustainable Price-to-Sales (P/S) Ratio</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5b251921db83bf15fef6652dad5b5b42\" alt=\"Nvidia revenue estimate, price-to-sales ratio\" title=\"Nvidia revenue estimate, price-to-sales ratio\" tg-width=\"940\" tg-height=\"84\"/><span>Nvidia revenue estimate, price-to-sales ratio</span></p><p>NVIDIA’s stock trades at a forward P/S ratio far above industry peers, priced as if AI adoption will grow exponentially for years. This valuation leaves little room for error.</p><p>Market expectations assume continued exponential growth in AI-related revenue. Any sign of slowing demand or margin compression could cause a violent repricing of the stock as investors adjust to more realistic growth assumptions. The market isn’t pricing in the risks of:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>AI demand plateauing</p></li><li><p>Cyclical overcapacity in GPUs</p></li><li><p>Geopolitical and competitive pressures</p></li></ul><p><strong>Why It Matters for a Short Thesis:</strong></p><p>NVIDIA’s valuation could collapse under its own weight if the AI hype cycle wanes or fails to deliver on promises.</p><h2 id=\"id_4015481009\">4. Structural Weaknesses in Business Model</h2><p><strong>Key Issue: Dependence on High Margins and R&amp;D Investments</strong></p><p>NVIDIA has exceptional gross margins (~74.5% in Q3 FY2024), but these margins are vulnerable to:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Increased competition from AMD, Intel, and emerging players</p></li><li><p>Overcapacity, leading to price wars</p></li><li><p>Rising R&amp;D and supply costs to maintain its technological edge</p></li><li><p>R&amp;D bloat: R&amp;D spending has ballooned to $9.2 billion for FY2024 (up 48% YoY)</p></li></ul><p>If AI demand falters, these costs become unsustainable.</p><p>Product Transition Complexity: NVIDIA’s accelerated product cadence (e.g., Hopper, Blackwell) increases risks of inventory obsolescence, supply chain inefficiencies, and customer confusion.</p><p><strong>Why It Matters for a Short Thesis:</strong></p><p>Any disruption in high-margin segments or R&amp;D inefficiencies could create cascading financial problems for NVIDIA.</p><h2 id=\"id_3212871234\">Catalysts for the Short Thesis</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p><strong>Demand Plateau:</strong> AI adoption slows as hyperscalers optimize costs and customers hesitate on ROI for generative AI investments.</p></li><li><p><strong>Geopolitical Restrictions:</strong> Escalating U.S.-China tensions lead to further export bans, limiting NVIDIA’s market.</p></li><li><p><strong>Earnings Miss:</strong> A single revenue or margin miss due to overcapacity or demand shortfall could trigger a rapid market repricing.</p></li><li><p><strong>Valuation Correction:</strong> Investors may rotate out of “story stocks” like NVIDIA during a broader market downturn.</p></li></ul><h2 id=\"id_2732796899\">Impact on thesis</h2><p>I am not really picking on this whole battle, I am only trying to collect my thoughts and understand what the emerging side (bears) is seeing. 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Tightened U.S. export restrictions on advanced chips to China could shrink this critical market further. If restrictions extend to Blackwell chips, this could limit growth and lead to unsold inventory.NVDA stock trades at a forward P/S ratio far above industry peers, priced as if AI adoption will grow exponentially for years. This valuation leaves little room for error.JHVEPhotoThe market is testing a new narrative for NVIDIA. This will be a bull and bear ferocious fight, but the current bear thinking is the following:1. Overcapacity Risk in Semiconductors: The AI Bubble NarrativeKey Issue: Overinvestment Based on Overhyped DemandNVIDIA’s meteoric rise has been fueled by the generative AI boom, but history shows that tech hype cycles often result in overcapacity (e.g., the dot-com bubble, cryptocurrency mining GPUs).Revenue from Data Center GPUs accounted for 87% of total revenue in Q3 FY2024, making NVIDIA heavily reliant on AI demand continuing indefinitely.A 10% slowdown in AI investments or hyperscaler spending (e.g., Microsoft (MSFT), Amazon (AMZN), Google (GOOG, GOOGL)) could drastically impact NVIDIA’s revenue.Overcommitted to Supply: NVIDIA has locked in $28.9 billion in supply commitments, expecting ongoing high demand for its Hopper and Blackwell architectures.Nvidia purchase obligationsIf demand slows or product transitions are delayed, these commitments could lead to massive inventory write-downs, hurting margins.Why It Matters for a Short Thesis:The semiconductor market is notoriously cyclical. Any downturn in demand could expose NVIDIA to falling prices, unsold inventory, and margin compression. Overcapacity could turn into a pricing war with competitors like AMD and Intel (INTC), further eroding profitability.2. NVIDIA’s Dependence on Hyperscalers and ChinaKey Issue: Revenue Concentration in Fragile MarketsNVIDIA’s largest customers, such as Amazon, Microsoft, and Google, account for a significant portion of its revenue. If even one reduces AI-related spending due to budget cuts or cost discipline, the effect on NVIDIA would be severe.Nvidia Q3 2024 revenue by customer15% of NVIDIA’s Q3 2024 revenue came from China and Hong Kong. Tightened U.S. export restrictions on advanced chips to China could shrink this critical market further. If restrictions extend to Blackwell chips (NVIDIA’s next-gen architecture), this could limit growth and lead to unsold inventory.Nvidia Q3 2024 revenue by countryWhy It Matters for a Short Thesis:Geopolitical risk, combined with hyperscaler reliance, creates an unsustainable revenue model in a downturn. NVIDIA’s revenue base might not be diversified enough.3. Valuation Disconnect: Growth Premium Priced for PerfectionKey Issue: An Unsustainable Price-to-Sales (P/S) RatioNvidia revenue estimate, price-to-sales ratioNVIDIA’s stock trades at a forward P/S ratio far above industry peers, priced as if AI adoption will grow exponentially for years. This valuation leaves little room for error.Market expectations assume continued exponential growth in AI-related revenue. Any sign of slowing demand or margin compression could cause a violent repricing of the stock as investors adjust to more realistic growth assumptions. The market isn’t pricing in the risks of:AI demand plateauingCyclical overcapacity in GPUsGeopolitical and competitive pressuresWhy It Matters for a Short Thesis:NVIDIA’s valuation could collapse under its own weight if the AI hype cycle wanes or fails to deliver on promises.4. Structural Weaknesses in Business ModelKey Issue: Dependence on High Margins and R&D InvestmentsNVIDIA has exceptional gross margins (~74.5% in Q3 FY2024), but these margins are vulnerable to:Increased competition from AMD, Intel, and emerging playersOvercapacity, leading to price warsRising R&D and supply costs to maintain its technological edgeR&D bloat: R&D spending has ballooned to $9.2 billion for FY2024 (up 48% YoY)If AI demand falters, these costs become unsustainable.Product Transition Complexity: NVIDIA’s accelerated product cadence (e.g., Hopper, Blackwell) increases risks of inventory obsolescence, supply chain inefficiencies, and customer confusion.Why It Matters for a Short Thesis:Any disruption in high-margin segments or R&D inefficiencies could create cascading financial problems for NVIDIA.Catalysts for the Short ThesisDemand Plateau: AI adoption slows as hyperscalers optimize costs and customers hesitate on ROI for generative AI investments.Geopolitical Restrictions: Escalating U.S.-China tensions lead to further export bans, limiting NVIDIA’s market.Earnings Miss: A single revenue or margin miss due to overcapacity or demand shortfall could trigger a rapid market repricing.Valuation Correction: Investors may rotate out of “story stocks” like NVIDIA during a broader market downturn.Impact on thesisI am not really picking on this whole battle, I am only trying to collect my thoughts and understand what the emerging side (bears) is seeing. I think the previous paragraphs capture it well. Going forward, the DeepSeek developments will likely hang over NVIDIA. The cost efficiency argument on the surface means that AI models require fewer GPUs per training cycle, and given that Hyperscalers optimize for cost savings, we can see them reducing total spending on NVIDIA’s chips sometime in the near future. Even a small reduction vis-a-vis expectations can drive a brutal repricing of the company’s valuation.Nevertheless, I think that the Jevons Paradox will prevail in the long term. As AI model training becomes cheaper, demand for NVIDIA GPUs will increase, not decrease. The expanded accessibility and new use cases will likely make it happen.That said, it is important to understand that there is likely to be turbulence as market participants try to digest this important piece of news. There will likely be moments of violent re-pricings at some of the next few quarterly earnings calls if there is any hint of spending cuts by Hyperscallers. I recommend keeping an eye on hyperscalers' CapEx; if they reduce total spending, NVIDIA might be hit. Also, keep an eye on abnormal price cuts in GPUs. Both can be a flag for margin compression. In my opinion, this can turn out to be a buying opportunity if the Jevons Paradox holds. 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